I went shopping for RV's on craigslist in Evansdale. Then I checked out the personals..Wow. I feel all sleezy now.
Something is NOT right here! How did they go missing and their bikes be discovered within 5 MINUTES???
http://globegazette.com/news/iowa/re...a4bcf887a.htmlAs the group searched, a bicyclist stopped the officers to say he saw the two kids bikes on the trail at about 12:20 p.m., but no sign of the children.
Ted Gamerdinger of Waterloo said he rides the trail often.
“I saw the bikes laying on the path and had to swerve to miss them,” Gamerdinger said. He then went to the Evansdale Police Department to report the sighting.
^^^^^ My posts are all IMO, JMO, MOO unless I have included a link^^^^^
I've been here too long at WS. I'm suspicious of any witness, parent,stranger, etc. I sure do understand where LE's coming from. I think they know so much more than we will be able to accept at first when it all comes out! Sadly
About the time we can make ends meet, somebody moves the ends. Herbert Hoover
ETA: The one thing that confused me with the dogs was that they went from the bikes (which were leaning against the fence) directly to the water/wooded area, whichever was the correct version. If the bikes had been laying in the path and moved by someone else later, the girls' trail wouldn't have started at the bikes, it would have started on the path.
Last edited by Confusion; 07-20-2012 at 11:27 PM. Reason: Wanted to add a thought rather than double posting.
Also please listen at 3;26 and tell us what you hear. TIA!
So what do we take from this bit of info? G'ma was mistakenly off on her time? Fudged the time bc she wasn't sure?
That certainly complicates the bikes on the trail sighting info- or does it?
Does the video sighting coincide with the grass waterer's eye witness account?
Gosh, where in the world are they?
If they were picked up and the bikes dropped off at the trail, wouldn't a perp most likely drop the bikes off on a side road with less chances of being seen? And what about the person that said the girls were seen riding their bikes in that area that day?
For the life of me, I do not know why LE insisted the community was not in danger. Did they assume the girls were in the lake ? I'm sorry , but to insist that there is no reason for alarm when two girls have been abducted is just wrong.
Don't know if this has been posted but here is the video showing the girls on their bikes.
Actually, it is bad quality so I can't believe they can tell it is them.
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This is my first post, so please forgive me if I do something unorthodox.
I've read hundreds upon hundreds of posts here and read numerous MSM articles and only see a few glancing references to the river. Looking down on the site in Google Earth it appears that if someone were to go approximately a block or two east of where the bikes were found there's a trail leading under the highway (I-380) and the over to the river. I would think that if someone were going to dump either a body, evidence, or both, that's not too far to get to the river where it would be washed away. This is opposed to the lake where the evidence would just sink and eventually be found.
It just seems a little weird to me that there's not a team of boats going up and down the stretch of river south of Evansdale/Waterloo still looking for any evidence that may have washed ashore or possibly clothing caught in trees along the banks.
Also, Omaha is my nearest city and I'm told that there's a bend in the river by Bellevue, just south of Omaha, where several bodies have been found over the years. (I have no documentation of this at the moment.) I was wondering if there is a similar bend in the river near this area.
This has just been stuck in the back of my mind> I still find it odd that not more of a focus was placed on the river since it is relatively close, has relatively easy access, and (to my amateur eyes) appears to be a better place to get rid of a body or other evidence than a small lake.
I hope I'm not thinking to cynically, but around here (since there's a major river nearby) when a missing person case happens people usually think "check the river"...
I have to add - Thank you to all of the helpful posters that have kept me and others abreast of the latest news in this case!
Update - I also have to add that I'm very pro-LE, so I'm not criticizing them, I just couldn't find any answers to this question of mine.
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Last edited by ela_ss teacher; 07-20-2012 at 11:45 PM. Reason: clarity
That would take us to 12:23 pm. That leaves about 3 minutes for a perp to pop out of ambush, grab one girl by the arm (probably Lyric), threaten to hurt her if Elizabeth didn't comply, make her throw her purse over the lakeside fence and then marching them both off into the woods.
I'd love to be able to ask the 12:27 witness if he happened to look into the woods when he saw the bikes on the path. I'm sure LE already has and I'm reasonably certain the answer was no. Otherwise, LE would have released whatever description the witness could give.
I'm not sure he would have looked into the woods, though. He was on a blind curve, he'd just about run into an obstacle and he still had to look sharp in case another bicyclist popped around the curve. Nothing like avoiding one hazard only to be hit head-on because it made you forget to watch out.
Force the girls into something like a van, put zip-ties or some other restraint device on them and the perpetrator could be gone before 12:30 pm.
If the 12:27 sighting is accurate, this really reminds me of GeorgeAnn Hawkins, who was one of Ted Bundy's victims. She was walking down an alley behind a row of fraternities and sororities on a night where they were all having parties to celebrate the beginning of the fall semester. There were roughly 1000 people attending parties at the fraternities and sororities. Many of them were walking down the alley in both directions.
The alley was well lit except for one 30 foot stretch where a storage shed blocked the light. The dark stretch no doubt seemed darker in contrast to the lights on either side (the human retina takes something like 6 minutes to fully adapt to low light situations).
She disappeared from that one dark stretch.
On the day before he was executed, Ted finally confessed to her abduction. He said that he had a fake cast on his arm (a ruse he'd used before) and asked her to help him with his briefcase. He'd parked his VW bug in that area earlier in the evening and had placed a tire iron underneath the car in preparation. She stepped over to the car to help with the briefcase, he reached down, grabbed the tire iron, knocked her unconscious with one blow and placed her in the area beside the driver's seat (he'd removed the passenger side seat, one reason he liked VW Bugs).
It only took him about three minutes from the time he approached Ms Hawkins until the time he drove off with her unconscious body.
Something to consider is that lacking a fear response means that psychopaths don't waste time with hesitation once they have decided to take an action. Saves time at times when seconds count.
Evil don't look like anything...