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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    When did the Seasock report become public knowledge? I'm thinking after Spanier & company testified in front of the grand jury.
    Public, not until Jan-March, 2012. It might have been attached to the police report, which the AG's Office discovered on 1/4/11 (per Freeh).


    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    The police report indicated the Chambers Report was attached to the file. It would be impossible to read the file and not know that the Chambers Report existed.
    From earlier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twindad View Post
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    Twindad, Spanier, et al., might not have seen the police report.


    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    Twindad, Spanier, et al., might not have seen the police report.
    How could Spanier have seen the police report? Schultz wasn't even aware that the Penn State Police investigated Sandusky. The first time he learned about the police investigation was when he was asked about it in front of the grand jury!

    How could he not have known? He supervised Harmon in 98. He researched the 98 incident in 2001. How did he not see the police report? Just crazy.

    Again we see a member of the Penn State 4 distancing himself from an investigation that cleared Sandusky of any criminal behavior. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    How could Spanier have seen the police report? Schultz wasn't even aware that the Penn State Police investigated Sandusky. The first time he learned about the police investigation was when he was asked about it in front of the grand jury!

    How could he not have known? He supervised Harmon in 98. He researched the 98 incident in 2001. How did he not see the police report? Just crazy.

    Again we see a member of the Penn State 4 distancing himself from an investigation that cleared Sandusky of any criminal behavior. Why?
    Well, Schultz asked, in 2001, if the 1998 report was on file. There wasn't a suggestion that he looked at it. The 1998 e-mails give no indication that Curley and Paterno had that detailed information or knew about the report.


    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    Again we see a member of the Penn State 4 distancing himself from an investigation that cleared Sandusky of any criminal behavior. Why?
    Respectfully snipped:

    While it isn't clear how much they may have known about 1998, it is easy to see why they now want to downplay that knowledge. Much of the perjury charges focus on lying about their awareness of the '98 incident, and the more they knew about '98 at the time, the more shocking their failure to report in 2001.

    Makes me wonder if they wouldn't have been smarter to tell the Grand Jury that they knew Sandusky was cleared in 1998 of showering with a young boy, so when McQueary told them he observed "horseplay" (their word) in the shower, they assumed it was more of the same, and wouldn't be child abuse or criminal behavior, just like last time.

    Trust me, I doubt that was their thinking, and I know they still have a responsibility to report, but if they had presented that to the Grand Jury, there would probably have been no perjury charges, and it wouldn't have appeared to be such a clear cover-up in 2001, just naivete or stupidity, rather than malicious intent.
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    I thought this article was interesting because it indirectly states that Gary Schultz was not part of the campus police.

    Penn State continues to wait on word of Clery Act violations

    Another shower incident, in February 2001, was seen by then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary and was reported to senior university figures Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz. But the incident was not reported to university police, and now Spanier, Curley and Schultz are facing charges they did not report that incident properly to authorities.

    Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/03/2...#storylink=cpy

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    Ray Gricar and Chief Mel Wiley

    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    Here is a hypothetical. Suppose that in 1998, Gricar doesn't prosecute, but realizes that there is a problem. He gets a message either to Curley or Paterno (or both) that he won't prosecute if Sandusky "gets help with the problem." The message would not necessarily be directly to either. Whomever it is lets it slide.

    2001, either Paterno or Curley realizes that the 1998 message went unheeded. They know that, instead of being able to say, "Well the police and DPW investigated in 1998 and didn't find anything," they will be faced with a situation where Gricar didn't prosecute because they were suppose to restrain Sandusky. Whomever decides not to involve LE because of that.
    I have been following the case with Chief Mel Wiley, the chief of police whom went missing and I used to live there. I see a connection to Jerry S with Ray and Mel Wiley. Ray did live in Cleveland and I'm thinking Mel knew Ray. I have been searching for Mel's whereabouts since 2008. My brother was questioned a few days after Mel went missing and they asked if my brother killed Mel. Of course he said no. I heard it with my own ears in the back yard of my parents house. Anyway, then 20 yrs later Ray disappears, almost the same time frame. What I am getting at is that I wonder if Jerry S. since he was a child molester, wonder if Ray was also involved with child pornography? All the people in the world will say there is a cure for this. I know that its not true! Reason because My father was convicted and sentenced in 2007 & 2008 where he died in prison on January 10, 2011, was also involved with child pornography & molestation of his own children, that started back when I was 4 yrs old and my sister was 2 1/2 yrs old, I do have flashbacks that date before that, but I can't make them out and his Granddaughters, their friends and my friend's daughter & countless children. In 2007, he was convicted on 6 cts and sentenced 6 months, they re-arrested him as soon as they touched in Medina, Ohio and in 2008, he was arrested again and charged with 13 cts and sent back to prison for 11 yrs(release date 2016) and of course that didn't happen, he served 3 yrs only. In my eyes, I wanted him alive, I wanted him to pay for what he caused ALIVE! He also severely abused my Mother for 51 yrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomeroreo View Post
    I have been following the case with Chief Mel Wiley, the chief of police whom went missing and I used to live there. I see a connection to Jerry S with Ray and Mel Wiley. Ray did live in Cleveland and I'm thinking Mel knew Ray. I have been searching for Mel's whereabouts since 2008. My brother was questioned a few days after Mel went missing and they asked if my brother killed Mel. Of course he said no. I heard it with my own ears in the back yard of my parents house. Anyway, then 20 yrs later Ray disappears, almost the same time frame. What I am getting at is that I wonder if Jerry S. since he was a child molester, wonder if Ray was also involved with child pornography? All the people in the world will say there is a cure for this. I know that its not true! Reason because My father was convicted and sentenced in 2007 & 2008 where he died in prison on January 10, 2011, was also involved with child pornography & molestation of his own children, that started back when I was 4 yrs old and my sister was 2 1/2 yrs old, I do have flashbacks that date before that, but I can't make them out and his Granddaughters, their friends and my friend's daughter & countless children. In 2007, he was convicted on 6 cts and sentenced 6 months, they re-arrested him as soon as they touched in Medina, Ohio and in 2008, he was arrested again and charged with 13 cts and sent back to prison for 11 yrs(release date 2016) and of course that didn't happen, he served 3 yrs only. In my eyes, I wanted him alive, I wanted him to pay for what he caused ALIVE! He also severely abused my Mother for 51 yrs.
    We do have a thread on the Gricar case: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202380"]PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #10 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


    Just for the record, there is no suggestion that Gricar ever met Wiley. They lived in different counties. Gricar left Cleveland in 1979-80 and Wiley disappeared in 1985, in July. Gricar disappeared in April 2005.

    Gricar, however, had mentioned the Wiley case, at least seven after Wiley disappeared.


    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?

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    Here's where Paterno was, at the time when he didn't want to "interfere" with anyone's weekend:

    http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-...020901aaa.html


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