These girls have been missing all afternoon and the search was suspended tonight now that it's dark here. We're a small town next to a larger city but a small police force that has likely never dealt with missing kids.. Bikes found on the trail and purse and phone had been thrown over the fence near the bikes but the other side of the fence is a hill leading to the highway. Right now the search is very disorganized and there aren't any flyers .
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Working on gramma's theory and the maps -
A van is parked in Maiden Lane.
The girls are intercepted.
Their bikes are taken from them by two perps, a third has them in the van.
The perps dump the bikes where they were found (staging).
The van then picks them up and keeps driving. 3 perps in all.
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BOTH of these girls appear to be older than 8 and 10, not only in appearance, but in some of their behaviors (facebook, cell phone, texting, running away/missing). Lyric more than Elizabeth, but both certainly have been exposed to more criminal and dysfunctional family dynamics than the average child of this age. Considering this, I would expect them to engage in certain risky behaviors and activities earlier than other children.
I think back to when I was maybe 11 or 12. I remember riding my bike down a dirt road 2 miles from home to a "forbidden secret" field with friends, climbing a tree in the middle of that field and smoking cigarettes that my friends had stolen from their parents. We thought no one could see us and we did this frequently during one summer until several people reported to our parents that they had seen us (after getting my butt beat, I never smoked again-LOL).
My point is...if had we been abducted in that field, our parents would have been scrutinized for saying "they would never go there" when witnesses had actually seen us going there frequently. They would have been classified as "bad parents" for "allowing us" to roam freely. Potential abductors that lived nearby would have certainly seen us, although it would have been difficult to plan an abduction by someone that didn't live along our path because of the different times and days we went there. It would have been assumed that the bikes were "staged" by someone because we "would have never gone there".
IMO...I know "back in the day", kids tried smoking cigarettes. Today they engage in other risky behaviors at an early age-cigarettes, drugs, sex, vandalism, etc.
I still believe this had family involvement and was not a random child abduction, but just thought I'd throw another scenario out there.
Otto...feel free to rephrase or elaborate LOL. It's kinda lengthy!
Sorry but how do u get to this site?
RE KATYDID23 and why other in family are not missing..The kids could of been taken POSSIBLY to keep DM from opening his mouth too much at trial to show people are serious here and what could happen. THey did go disappearing day after not guilty plea .POSSIBLE paddle boater POSSIBLY known to the family which IM not going to go over anymore its getting too much . :/ Im glad the judge didnt delay his DM court date too looong and THe girls are mostly what i give a hoot about right now at this point. He needs to get to court suit up and take whats coming his way however unfortunate that maybe. Thats What am going on till I read or hear some real news from the FBI.
I dont believe they biked all the way down there to meet a stranger off craigs list. whoever posted that ..not to be rude. I dont believe the boogey man was hiding in the grassy area waiting for perfect time all day .I dont believe it was unplanned. I dont believe my posting is going to help the situation at this point .SO ...... Hopeing and Praying
I've been reading all you have been saying...but what my brain keeps going back to is why the Aunt who lives in Waterloo knew to look at the lake for the girls?
I believe there is a reason she knew they were there...(I am not accusing her) I just think she has a notion or thought as to why they went there maybe more than the parents...
Either exploring or meeting someone....
Just MY Opinion of Course
As for Lyric, yes, she does look older than what some might think an average tween girl looks. It is all very subjective, though: to me she doesn't look any older than 12 or 13 max. And, yes, her parents clearly have some drug related issues and run-ins with the law (to put it politely). However, the way I interpret things that have been in the press makes me think her family did what they could to protect her from a lot of the turmoil. She lived with the Collins family for some time and they appear to be a close knit, above-board (ie. not involved in meth and the legal system) family. Her grandma seems to be supportive of Misty's attempts to get back into the mainstream after jail/probation/halfway house etc. I do wonder if Lyric was there when DM assaulted Misty. I hope not.
As for the texting and facebook, I'm not sure what to think. Technology is available to lots of kids, regardless of the age limits these companies put in their TOS. A lot of parents, myself included, use these technologies as ways to keep in touch with kids who want a bit of freedom. My 7 year old daughter knows how to text and use ipads and ipods. She doesn't have free reign to do whatever she wants on them and if I ever let her go somewhere alone or with friends (not for a long time!!) she will be taking a cell with her. These technologies are a fact of life for the majority of kids in the western world and aren't, in and of themselves, indicative of anything. IMO
While all of this may not mean anything, I just can't say I've seen anything to suggest these were worldly, beyond their years girls. They were two little girls out for a bike ride on a summer day, and all Elizabeth wanted, according to her mom, was a mermaid birthday cake.
I'm not suggesting you are wrong, I'm just not ready to make any conclusions just yet or think either of them was engaged in the risky behaviours you mentioned.
From the last thread regarding this illustration:
Crap. You just made me teer up. My daughter is all about mermaids and a mermaid cake being what's important to her hit too close to home.
Hi,,,,,have just been catching up and see there hasnt been any action........unless something is going on, judging by the hints to go to the scanner thread!!
I was just thinking a couple of things....
I too still think that this is something to do with dad and him being a bit of a "rat", however for the druggies to abduct these girls at the lake, they would of had to have known they were going there, unless someone followed them and then they would have had to have known about this Maiden Lane. It just seems that it couldnt have been preplanned to abduct them at the Lake if these girls were just on a random bike ride.
Locals is it possible they could have been followed at distance and then locals would have known to go to this Maiden Lane to wait for them...........I dont know just cant see it.
If it is the druggies then I am thinking they must have taken them somewhere else.
If it is the "sick stranger", once again it would mean that they were waiting what in Maiden Lane for a girl to go past to snatch. This was two girls which would mean the sick stranger would have had to try and grab the two girls and set up this scenario. I know it does happen, but I think it being two sick strangers laying in wait is really not a possibility.
I noticed someone said Maiden Lane may have been a teenage hangout, I am wondering if the elder girl maybe was meeting some young teenage boy..........out there I know, but would be a reason for them to be around there.
Do we have an actual confirmation of where the dogs lost their scent, I have seen two things above, a family member, the mother I think, said the lake.........which is very scary and one said at the bikes. Would this however just confirm they were on their bikes and not at that actual spot??
Once again i am way behind, but have all the woods been searched? My boys, I know boys, would love to jump that fence and pick up flat stones to skip along the water. I wonder if they did go to the lake for some reason and maybe explored a bit (kids at that age love it) and a scary stranger was in the woods.
I really hope not.
People keep ruling out a boat because they think it would be too visible. This corner of the lake is barely visible at all (Per Ollipop). And look how close it would be to take a boat from the jetty to the woods by Maiden lane -- Closer than walking either way! Only about 200 feet. Can you do a map to show that scenario?
To me, it makes the most sense. Girls leave bikes by gate, go through gate, get onto boat, get taken to Maiden Lane. That could be accomplished VERY quickly. TG could have been right about the timeline and just ridden right by them in the boat and never saw them. We know a paddle boat was borrowed without the owner's permission, and as far as we know, the borrower never came forward.
It seems clear as a bell to me.
Ok call me crazy but this "Maiden Lane" that has come up - this "lane" isn't some place a car could really hide per se without being seen from say, the parking lot, right? I find it VERY hard to believe that a vehicle could be sitting anywhere along the inside of that fence trail and NOT be seen by people at the lake...
I guess when I look at the pictures of the lake (taken during the early stages) it looks like you can look almost all the way around the lake (trail) except for the little stretch where it's hidden - however, if a vehicle were parked on the INSIDE of the fence (literally next to the lake) it isn't thick enough brush that a vehicle wouldn't be seen is it?
I need to get my bearings on this I think...