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  1. #16
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    The Black Dahlia case has always fascinated me and I saw the episode of 48 hours that focused on her. But I'm just a bit wary of Hodel's claims. They may be true. But I'm always a little suspicious. It is clear to me that Hodel has an axe to grind. And unlike Hodel, I can't dismiss the fact that experts disproved the photograph as Short and the handwriting as belonging to George Hodel. And to be fair, Hodel's father isn't around to contradict his statements. Still he does seem like a good suspect.
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    If y'all can stand a little cursing now and then, check out James Ellroy's Feast of Death on showtime airing this month and next month. There is a detective on there that has an awsome theory about who murdered Elizabeth. Has anyone seen it???


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    I found this new article on the Black Dahlia, it's a haunting mystery and one I'd love to see solved!

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...223129,00.html

    The Black Dahlia case (“a cold, cold case”, says the author) is one of the most notorious unsolved murders of modern times. Apart from her pulp-fiction moniker, it was the B-movie star looks of the victim and the state of her corpse that caught the popular imagination. She had been killed by blows to the head, probably from a pistol-whipping, and by deep incisions from her mouth up to each ear. If that had been all, even her nickname would not have been enough to guarantee her posthumous fame. But it was not all. Her body had been severed in two, drained of blood and washed, before being dumped, with half of the torso placed above and alongside the other half.

    Immediately, the unknown culprit was dubbed a “werewolf fiend”, a vicious, depraved individual who might well strike again. Yet this was no ordinary rage killing and the victim had not been sexually assaulted. Because the spinal cord had been severed at the optimum point for the sake of ease, between the second and third vertebrae, it was suspected that the murderer was medically trained. Though it was never disclosed at the time, illegal abortionists were among those investigated.

    The police had to deal with numerous “confessing Sams” and anonymous hoaxers. But there was a “control question” they could ask, something about the corpse which could help them eliminate attention-seeking would-be suspects. I shan’t spoil the unfolding pleasure of the book by revealing this secret, knowledge of which emerged only when some Los Angeles Police Department files were made public after 50 years.

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    I need to get a book on this case. I am really interested in it but do not know too much about it. I watched a show on it, maybe 48 hours or something once.


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    Be warned about which Black Dahlia book you read. One of them has the autopsy photos in it. Freaked me out so bad, I slept with the lights on for three weeks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stella
    Be warned about which Black Dahlia book you read. One of them has the autopsy photos in it. Freaked me out so bad, I slept with the lights on for three weeks!
    The Black Dahlia Files, The Mob, The Mogel, and the Murder that transfixed Los Angeles has the photos. Its by Donald H. Wolfe. Its a very good book IMO. It addresses some of the claims such as Docs claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stella
    Be warned about which Black Dahlia book you read. One of them has the autopsy photos in it. Freaked me out so bad, I slept with the lights on for three weeks!
    I did see the pics once and it freaked me out too. Wasn't she dismembered?


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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle
    I did see the pics once and it freaked me out too. Wasn't she dismembered?

    Michelle, she was cut in half.

    WARNING - EXPLICIT INFORMATION:

    According to autopsy reports, there was quote, "a deep laceration on the face 3" long, which extends laterally from the right corner of the mouth.....There is a deep laceration 2 1/2" inches long extending laterally from the left corner of the mouth." (Those who witnessed the body lying in the ditch said that it appeared Short was smiling.) Severe bruising was present in several places on Short's head and neck, and there were also several small cuts on her upper lip. However, the hyoid bone was intact and there was no evidence of trauma near the thyroid glands or trachea, which would be indicative of strangulation. Multiple cuts and scratches also marked her chest, torso, and arms. A small, square shaped piece of skin was missing from her thigh - it was later found shoved far into her vagina, along with a fair amount of grass. For whatever reason, her killer or killers had cut off the small rose tattoo on her thigh and placed it inside her body. It also appeared that Short had been brutally sodomized post-mortem. Her stomach was also filled with quote "greenish brown granular matter, mostly feces and other particles that could not be identified." Perhaps surprisingly, there was no precense of sperm anywhere on her body.

    Elizabeth Short was no doubt subjected to some form of torture before and after she died, as brusing only occurs in the living. In the end, the injuries to her face and head were listed as the cause of death. Her injuries display obvious signs of overkill...the cuts to the face and head injuries are hallmarks of overkill. The extent of her injuries could mean one of two things: Elizabeth Short was killed by someone who knew her, someone close to her, in a fit of rage. (Overkill is often present in crimes where the killer and victim are close to one another, as are injuries to the face and head, and other forms of mutilation.) On the other hand, her killer may have been a psychopath who chose her as his next victim. But if this were true, the murder of Elizabeth Short would not be such a person's first victim. It takes years of festering madness to reach the level of brutality achieved in her death. Serial killers evolve over time and modify how they kill. If an act gives them gratification, they will build on that. If a roaming killer murdered Elizabeth Short, this was no fledging criminal.

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    Here's an interesting article, and, at the end, it has the crime scene photos showing her body.


    http://www.franksreelreviews.com/sho...lackdahlia.htm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    Michelle, she was cut in half.

    WARNING - EXPLICIT INFORMATION:

    According to autopsy reports, there was quote, "a deep laceration on the face 3" long, which extends laterally from the right corner of the mouth.....There is a deep laceration 2 1/2" inches long extending laterally from the left corner of the mouth." (Those who witnessed the body lying in the ditch said that it appeared Short was smiling.) Severe bruising was present in several places on Short's head and neck, and there were also several small cuts on her upper lip. However, the hyoid bone was intact and there was no evidence of trauma near the thyroid glands or trachea, which would be indicative of strangulation. Multiple cuts and scratches also marked her chest, torso, and arms. A small, square shaped piece of skin was missing from her thigh - it was later found shoved far into her vagina, along with a fair amount of grass. For whatever reason, her killer or killers had cut off the small rose tattoo on her thigh and placed it inside her body. It also appeared that Short had been brutally sodomized post-mortem. Her stomach was also filled with quote "greenish brown granular matter, mostly feces and other particles that could not be identified." Perhaps surprisingly, there was no precense of sperm anywhere on her body.

    Elizabeth Short was no doubt subjected to some form of torture before and after she died, as brusing only occurs in the living. In the end, the injuries to her face and head were listed as the cause of death. Her injuries display obvious signs of overkill...the cuts to the face and head injuries are hallmarks of overkill. The extent of her injuries could mean one of two things: Elizabeth Short was killed by someone who knew her, someone close to her, in a fit of rage. (Overkill is often present in crimes where the killer and victim are close to one another, as are injuries to the face and head, and other forms of mutilation.) On the other hand, her killer may have been a psychopath who chose her as his next victim. But if this were true, the murder of Elizabeth Short would not be such a person's first victim. It takes years of festering madness to reach the level of brutality achieved in her death. Serial killers evolve over time and modify how they kill. If an act gives them gratification, they will build on that. If a roaming killer murdered Elizabeth Short, this was no fledging criminal.

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    Holy Cow Jeana!!!!! What the heck, I have never in my life read such gruesome info of a murder. I have read alot and this is just insane. What kind of person could or would do this? And I wonder if it was one or two people??


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    In my experience, two people don't keep a secret. My guess is the only way we don't know the answer to this mystery is if one person and one SMART person only did this crimel.


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    If it were two people I would investigate every male homocide for two years after her death. One of the murderers could have killed his accomplice to keep things quiet. I agree it would be difficult for both parties to keep their silence, it would be too tempting to cut a deal and rat out the other party. And with all the suspects the police had, it's quite possible their guy or guys were on the list.


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    Is there a movie out about this case? I thought I heard one time that "L.A. Confidential" or something like that was about this????


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    There is a movie titled, "The Black Dahlia" scheduled to be released on September 15. It is directed by Brian De Palma and adapted from the James Ellroy novel. This film has been delayed several times, but according to imdb.com will appear this September.


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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle
    Is there a movie out about this case? I thought I heard one time that "L.A. Confidential" or something like that was about this????
    There also was a made for TV movie released in 1975 starring Lucie Arnaz as The Black Dahlia. As I remember, it was a pretty good film. I don't know about its availability on VHS or DVD though.


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