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    Max's Death - Dina's Independent Experts Summary Reports

    Dina Shacknai has release a Summary of Reports (14 pages) purportedly synthesized from two independent experts evaluation and opinion on Max Shacknai's manner and cause of death. Those reports were written by Dr. Robert Bove, an injury biomechanics, and Dr. Judith Melinek, a pathologist.

    I have attached the Summary of Reports here, another amateur eval, and the CPS related search warrant. As I said a couple of times, this appears to be a summary written by Dina's lawyer that includes references and quotes to two reports. As far as I know, we do not have the original reports and Dr. Bove's report appears to be quite lengthy (> 23-24 pages) while Dr. Melinek's report is > 4-5 pages based on the cites included at the end of the report.

    Aug. 6, 2012

    Melinek said that Max’s injuries were inconsistent with a fall and “it would be more accurate to certify that manner (of death) as a homicide.”
    Bove said that Melinek proposed a scenario in which Max was assaulted, resulting in his facial and forehead injuries, with his back then contacting the stair railing.

    Hallier [Dina's Attorney] said “an assault scenario is the only scenario that Dr. Bone and Dr. Melinek, in collaborative consultation, could identify that accounts for the multiple planes of injuries on Max’s body and the scene findings.”

    However, Bove said he had "not taken a position" as to whether the incident that resulted in Max's injuries was intentional.

    I'm hoping we can use this thread to actually evaluate what has been claimed in the one document we have, other related evidence, what has been claimed in the media, and any other relevant ideas.

    Perhaps everyone can move relevant posts over here.
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    Last edited by Salem; 08-10-2012 at 12:11 AM. Reason: I've checked the document and there is no issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    I am rereading the Summary Report, although, quite frankly even with a science background, I'm not sure how far I will get.

    It seems Dr. Judy Melinek is making just 3 or 4 basic claims. One of them that is made over and over to try to say this was an assault instead of an accident are the number of "planes of injury" and that the more planes of injury the more likely it is an assault. I briefly tried to look up any literature about this, but didn't find much worth citing yet.

    My question about all of this is if you would expect more planes of injury if...

    1. there is a more complex accident involving multiple objects
    2. you possibly can't say whether there were some injuries that were not a result of an assault, but were fairly recent - he was a boy!
    3. if you come into contact with some unusual object like a chandelier which itself has multiple planes

    I think #3 is the one that is bothering me the most. If you were tangled up in some object like a chandelier and presumably it fell on you or you fell on it or both, with both your body and the object tumbling around - let alone somehow there is a scooter involved also, might you to expect to have more planes of injury?

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    JJENNY: Dr. Gomez's theory doesn't involve a scooter at all. If you look at the drawing, it has Max running and then going over the portion of the railing where the railing dips. There is no scooter in that scenario.
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    Originally Posted by *Lash*
    In my opinion this article appears to point to a disagreement between Bove and Melinek.

    Melinek said that Max’s injuries were inconsistent with a fall and “it would be more accurate to certify that manner (of death) as a homicide.”

    Bove said that Melinek proposed a scenario in which Max was assaulted, resulting in his facial and forehead injuries, with his back then contacting the stair railing.

    Hallier said “an assault scenario is the only scenario that Dr. Bone and Dr. Melinek, in collaborative consultation, could identify that accounts for the multiple planes of injuries on Max’s body and the scene findings.”

    However, Bove said he had "not taken a position" as to whether the incident that resulted in Max's injuries was intentional.
    Well, this seems huge to me if one of the experts is saying the "Summary Report" circulated does not accurately represent his opinion. If you look back at that report, it cites Bove's large report far more times that Melinek, but we have not seen either of their actual reports. What we are seeing, I believe, is what the attorney put together. For all we know at this point, it could be a cut and paste hack job on what Bove reported and left out the context. It also sounds to me like he was asked to prove Melinek's theory of assault ... "Melinek proposed a scenario in which Max was assaulted, resulting in his facial and forehead injuries, with his back then contacting the stair railing."

    Since Bove clearly states he had not come to that conclusion, then the attorneys claim that this was based on the science is bogus. At most, it sounds like Dr. Melinek should have said she thought Max's death should be undetermined, not a homicide.

    I hope we get to see the full and original reports from both Dr. Melinek and Dr. Bove.
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    *LASH*: Snip- When reviewing the autopsy report, the medical examiner's findings explained why Peterson thought suffocation was the cause of death. The autopsy said: "A spinal cord injury at this level can cause cardio-respiratory arrest (cessation of heart activity and/or breathing)," which would explain the suffocation theory suggested by Peterson.


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    QUESTOR: Did LE recover the chandelier and check it for human tissue/blood/DNA?

    If so, was that tissue/blood/DNA found on the upper portion of the chandelier, as though MS fell on top of it, or on the lower portion, as though the chandelier fell on top of MS? TIA

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    About DNA - From Dr. Drew show

    KATHY, CALLER FROM OHIO: Yes. Dr. Drew, my question is this -- I was wondering if there was any DNA found possibly that would connect the lady who had also died, Rebecca, with the son`s death?

    PINSKY: Well, as you know, the San Diego investigators did not feel there was any wrongdoing. I know there was all kinds of consternation over the DNA on the rope that they found Rebecca tied to, but, Angela, maybe you can sort of clear that up real quick.

    HALLIER: Yes. It`s our understanding from the records we have been given access to that DNA was taken from underneath Max`s fingernails but we have no indication that it was ever tested.
    I think it's ridiculous it was never tested!

    CINDY: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. For both Max and Rebecca, I wanted to say with Max, the diagram of that child trying to get over a wall and grab a chandelier and fall like that just seems like an impossibility. And I did want to ask was the chandelier fingerprinted or DNA taken off of it to prove the child had grabbed it?

    PINSKY: I don`t know if -- Ann is shaking her head no and the -- Dina`s attorney said they had tested under the fingernails but did not test -- they did not have any DNA result. Thank you for that call.


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    QUESTOR: Could MS have been hanging by his hands from the chandelier when the chain broke, pinning him to the floor with his head stuck upright in the chandelier? Could that help to explain the vertical injuries to his face and marks/injuries to his back? TIA

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    Autopsy Documents SDSD

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    Dr. Melinek Report

    Dr. Melinek Report


    Judy Melinek, M.D
    3739 Balboa Street #102
    San Francisco, CA 94121

    (415) 850-7056
    July 16,2012

    Angela Hallier, Esquire
    Hallier & Lawrence PLC
    3216 North Third Street, Suite 300
    Phoenix, 4285012

    RE: Maxfield Shacknai

    Dear Ms. Hallier,

    I have reviewed the following material and conducted the following informational
    interviews regarding the above case:

    1 . County of San Diego Office of the Medical Examiner Autopsy Report (dated 912111
    authored by Jonathan R. Lucas, M.D.), lnvestigative Report, Neuropathology and
    Toxicology Report for ME#: 11-1542 Maxfield Aaron Shacknai
    2. Coronado Police Department Investigations Division Death Investigation Case
    Number 2011-1467 July 11,2011 1043 Ocean Boulevard Coronado, CA Power Point
    3 . Statement from Sheriff Bill Gore of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department dated
    September 2,2O11
    4 . Powerpoint Presentation entitled "Autopsy of Max Shacknai" by Jonathan Lucas
    5 . Biomechanics advanced report entitled "Expert Report by Mark A. Gomez, Ph.D. Re:
    Mr. Maxfield Shacknai" by Mark A. Gomez, Ph.D dated 9119111
    6. Photograph of proposed fall mechanism from this report on sdsheriff.net from http://
    www. sdsh eriff . net/coro nado/i mag es/msO 1 .j pg
    z. Powerpoint Presentation titled "July 13th, 2011" about Rebecca Zahau's death.
    B. Pediatric Medical records for Max Shacknai from Camelback Pediatrics P.C.; Laura
    Norton Petrovich, M.D.; and Valley Pediatric Triage dated from 6/10/05 to 5126111.
    9. Pre-Hospital Care Report for Maxfield Shacknai from the Coronado Fire Department
    dated 0711112011 at 10:12 QCS 4192431 Run #: 2011-59527
    r0. Sharp Coronado Hospital records for Maxfield Shacknai MR# 00-23-97-92 | from
    admit date7l11l2O11
    rr . Children's Hospital -San Diego Radiology Repor-ts from Maxfield Aaron Shacknai
    dated 7 111 12011 through 7 11612011 .

    12 . County of San Diego Office of the Medical Examiner Autopsy Report (dated 912111
    authored by Jonathan R. Lucas, M.D.), Investigative Report and Toxicology Report
    for ME#: 11-1517 Rebecca Mawii Zahau
    13 . Exponent Failure Analysis Associates Draft Reports by Robert T. Bove, Ph.D. dated
    December 20,2011 and June 15,2012.
    14 . On March 16, 2012 we visited the Coronado Police Department and reviewed in the
    presence of Commander MichaelT. Lawton allthe scene photographs in the case

    file, as well as photographs of the hospitalízed Maxfield Shacknai. I also reviewed
    several police interviews and reports not included in the above files including a child
    protective services report and an interview of Xena conducted after the death of the
    Rebecca Zahu.Included in the materials was a drawn diagram by the first responder
    indicating the positions of Max, Rebecca and the chandelier prior to them being
    moved by emergency personnelfor access.

    15 . Photographs of Maxfield Shacknai taken in the hospital entitled "Max_back1"
    through "Max_back5;" "Max_hospitall" through "Max_hospital5;" and "Maxie_pic1"
    and "Maxie_pic2."

    16 . Photographs of Maxfield Shacknai taken the day before his death by a family friend,
    as well as memorial photo-books belonging to Dina Shacknai.
    17 . I have had an opportunity on multiple occasions to personally interview Dina
    Shacknai about the circumstances surrounding the death of her son, his physical
    abilities and behavior.
    1B . Dr. Dean Hawley "Death by Strangulation" 9 pages

    19. "Death in a Mansion: Was it Murder" from "People" magazine dated August 15,
    20 . e mail from Nina Romano dated March 1 9, 201 2 about what transpired July 11 ,
    2011 documenting her first conversation with Rebecca Zahau after Max's injury.
    21 . Phone conversation with Dr. Bove on March 26; approximately 50 minutes
    redacted Investigation file of Maxfield Shacknai from the City of Coronado
    Police Department.

    2 3 . Rady Hospital Medical Records
    24 .CD containing photos from the Medical Examiner's Office including scene photos for
    Maxfield Shacknai case # 11-01542

    25 .27 photographíc prints of Maxfield Shacknai from the hospital, reportedly taken by a
    nurse in the Intensive Care Unit
    2 6. Entire Coronado Police Department Investigative file with Bates stamp numbers
    and associated CDs numbered 1,2,3,8, 10, 11,12,13 (1 of 2),13(2oÍ2),14,17,
    21 .Various informational sheets and forum discussions from the internet dated 317112
    including : http ://www.scotsdalesoccer.com/Tournament/Max_Shacknai?
    index_E.html; http://www.lefthandedkitten.freeforu...spiciousabout-
    max-s-death-t7.html; http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.o...ies-inrebecca-
    s-versions-of-events-tS9.html; http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.org/max-sinjuries-
    and-cause-of-death-t58.html; http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.org/mystery

    of -the-benzo-132. htm I
    2 B . Various informational sheets from the internet including:
    . Aussie Jujitsu: Principles of Pressure Point Application http://
    aussiejujitsu.blogspot.coml20ll/03/principles-of-pressure-point.html 712812011
    . Brad Parker "The Ten Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Moves Every Cop Should Know" http://
    www. g rapplearts. co m/BJ J -f or-Pol ice. htm 7 128 | 20 1 1
    . "Pressure Points" from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_ point
    . "Anatomy of a Choke" by E. Karl Korwai, MD from 8/1 12011 http://

    www.o nth emat. com/p rinIlTT I 4
    . http://www.scotsdalesoccer.com/Tourn...i?index_E.html
    . http://www.lefthandedkitten.freeforu...ious-about-max


    . http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.o...-s-versions-of


    . http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.o...death-t58.html

    . http://lefthandedkitten.freeforums.o...benzo-t32.html

    I am a forensic pathologist who works as an independent consultant in both criminal and
    civil matters. My education is notable for my undergraduate degree from Harvard
    University, a medical degree (with honors) from UCLA Medical School and pathology
    residency at UCLA Medical Center. I trained in forensic pathology at the Office of Chief
    Medical Examiner in New York City from 2001-2003, during which time I identified
    remains from the World Trade Center terrorist attacks on 9/1112OO1. I have published in
    the medical literature on the topics of pathology, surgical complications, transplantation
    surgery and immunology. I have been qualified as an expert witness in the fields of
    pathology, forensic pathology and cause of death determination over 80 times in
    California, New York, Florida and Texas. I am currently licensed to practice medicine in
    both California and New York. I am board certified in anatomic, clinical and forensic
    pathology and I routinely interpret autopsy reporls, toxicology reports, medical records
    and police reports to determine the cause of death and sign death certificates.

    After reviewing the above-mentioned sources in this case, and working in collaboration
    with Dr. Robert Bove, Ph.D., it is my opinion that Maxfield Shacknai's injuries are not
    consistent with the scenario depicted in the biomechanics report generated by Dr.
    Gomez. Max's center of gravity would have been too low to go over the banister with the
    scooter unassisted, even when taking into account the extra height of the scooter. The
    pattern of injury on Max's back is not consistent with an impact/slide against the
    descending banister as depicted in Dr. Gomez's scenario, as there is no deep muscle
    injury as would be expected from a fall onto the back from a height; the skull fracture
    contusion indicates that the primary fall impact was against the top (vertex) of the head,
    and not the right front; and the hands have no "dicing abrasions" from grasping at the
    chandelier. ln the autopsy photographs, the injuries on Max's back aggregate in a
    somewhat "7" shaped angled configuration, more in line with the height and shape of
    the banister on the second floor, from whence he fell. The damage to the newel post at
    this floor indicate that this is the original site of the fall, and Max's resting position on the
    ground immediately below suggests this as well.

    The fall alone, in the any of these scenarios, would not account for the abrasions and
    contusions along the right forehead, inner eye and lids, the left ala, or the right shoulder
    and neck, which are each in additional planes of injury. The more planes of injury, the
    more likely that an incident is the result of an assault rather than a simple or even an
    complex fall. A fall would not explain injury to a recessed or protected area (as in the
    inner right orbit or neck). An unassisted accidentalfall, as depicted in Dr. Gomez's
    scenario, does not explain the subsequent resting position of the Razor scooter on top
    of Maxfield's leg (where there is no bruising or injury) and the complete lack of glass
    shard "dicing" injury to Maxfield's body. The Gomez scenario also does not account for
    how a facial impact can cause a frontal fracture and bruise at the midline vertex, or
    hyperextension of the neck, if the body has collapsed ahead of the face.

    A more reasonable scenario, one that is both consistent with the injuries observed on
    the deceased and consistent with the scene measurements. is that Maxfield was

    assaulted by another person at the hallway, near the banister on the second floor. The

    perpetrator injured his face and shoulder and Maxfield then was pushed against or

    backed into the second story railing, causing the patterned injuries along his back.

    Then, he was either lifted over the banister or he escaped over the banister, falling

    down to the front entryway, below. He landed on the top of his head and collapsed with

    his legs following, rather than with his legs first and his face second, as in Dr. Gomez's

    scenario. A fall onto the top of the head could cause the cervical contusion from axial

    loading, without gross hyper-extension or flexion. The cervical contusion could also

    occur if the vertex-impact was followed by gross hyper-extension or hyper-flexion of the

    upper neck, as the rest of the body collapsed downward. This assault scenario was

    discussed with and supported by the findings of Dr. Robert Bove, a biomechanics

    experl, and most importantly, is the only scenario we could come up with in

    collaborative consultation that could account for all the planes of injuries and the scene
    findings in this case. The presumptive positive benzodiazepine screen of antemortem

    specimens might be explained by the administration of Versed in the hospital, but is

    more likely a false positive given the lack of confirmation by HPLC, a more specific

    laboratory analysis. lt does not support that over-medication of the child in any way was

    involved in the assault. Additionally, the location of the injury to the top of the cervical
    cord makes it incredibly unlikely that Maxfield would have been able to clearly articulate
    the word "Ocean" after the fall, a process which requires intact upper cervical cord


    My review of all these materials therefore inform me within reasonable medical
    probability that while the Medical Examiner's cause of death determination is accurate,
    the manner of death is not. lt would be more accurate in my opinion, based on my

    review of all this additional information, to certify that manner as a homicide, where

    homicide is defined as death at the hand of another. Homicide is a forensic term used
    by medical examiners and coroners to indicate another person's involvement in the
    death and does not distinguish between legal gradations in intent such as involuntary
    manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide or murder. The apparent suicidal death of
    the supervising caregiver two days after the incident, combined with the inconsistencies
    in her verbal reports about the incident; her comment to her sister that "Dina's going to
    kill me;" her knowledge of where Max fell when she spoke to Dina's sister Nina; and the
    multiple planes of injury on the child's body all support Rebecca Zahau's direct
    involvement. A thorough psychological assessment of her mental state or inquiries into
    previous aggressive acts or a pre-existing violent temperament are all notably absent
    from the material I reviewed in Max's case file or in the material supplied to me about
    Rebecca Zahau's death.

    The absence of half of the link from the chandelier, which is clearly visible in the scene
    photos but is missing from the evidence collected and photographed at the police
    department, may limit analysis of the tensile strength of this link. According to Dr. Bove,
    he saw the other half when he examined the chandelier. Photographs alone cannot
    accurately convey whether the link would suffer metal fatigue with a yank produced by a
    44 pound falling child, or would need the assistance of a greater weight. The difference
    in Max's weight between the autopsy report and the pediatric medical records is
    consistent with weight gain from fluid resuscitation during hospitalization and organ
    procurement with subsequent tissue edema. The pediatric chart dry weight is likely
    more accurate. Only metal analysis by a qualified failure analyst can confirm whether a

    sw¡nging chandelier could deposit its broken link on the opposite stairway landing, yet
    fall downward, only slightly displaced from where it was originally hanging in the
    stairwell alcove.

    The pertinent facts of the case that lead me to this conclusion are:

    1. According to personal interviews with Dina Shacknai, Maxfield was a careful child;
    not a risk{aker or dare-devil. She reported that the soccer balls in the photos were
    always scattered around the house and it was not unusualto see them there. Both
    Dr. Bove and Dina Shacknai described the carpeting of the residence as being a
    thick pile carpet, which would make it difficult for Max to ride his razor scooter at a
    high rate of speed. Dina Shacknai reported that her sister Nina was told by Rebecca
    Zahau that Maxfield had fallen from the second story on the day of the fall, prior to
    any police report. She also reported that told
    her that Rebecca had a quick temper and knew ju-jitsu. reported incidents
    where Rebecca would put in a "hold" and would have to "tap out" to be
    released from the hold.
    2. Medical records for Max Shacknaifrom Camelback Pediatrics P.C.
    documented his height at 45 inches and a weight of 44.1 pounds.
    3 . Photographs of the Razor scooter depict white paint on the wheel and side similar in
    color and size to the nicks in the upper banister at the top of the second story.
    4. Scene photos depict a golden-colored open link, consistent with the chandelier chain
    link on the carpeted landing between the first and second floors. Photographs of the
    chandelier show a soldered metal loop at the top, but no residual chain. This
    indicates that the chain broke at the final loop, where it attached to the top of the
    5 . According to the police department interview with Xena, Rebecca Zahau sister,
    Maxfield was "smart like a 7 or I year old" and did not ride his Razor scooter near
    the edge of the stairs or down the stairs. She said he could not ride fast because the
    floor was carpeted. She also reported that her sister told her "Dina is gonna kill me"
    when they returned to the house.
    6. According to the Coronado Police Department and the Medical Examiner scene,
    autopsy and hospital photographs, there is a large subgaleal contusion at the top of
    the head, associated with the largest gap in the sagittally oriented skullfracture. The
    front edge of the skull fracture is at the midline and does not reach the right lower
    frontal forehead area, where the abrasions and contusions begin on the face. There
    are healing abrasions on the left thoracic back, some angled, suggesting a pattern:
    configured roughly in a figure "7" as the back is viewed in the upright position.
    Photographs of the extremities do not demonstrate any sharp force injury or "dicing"
    abrasions, typical of glass shard injury. Deep muscle dissection of the back
    (130836.jp9 and 130837.jp9) show no deep muscle hemorrhages beneath the
    superficial abrasions noted on the back.

    7 . From a review of the witness statements it is unclear whether Max was found face
    up or face down. When paramedics arrived he was face up but he may have been
    rolled over by Rebecca Zahau prior to their arrival.

    B . The wet tissue shows sagittal sinus thrombosis and no brain matter contusion at the
    vertex, subjacent to the fracture line. There is no grossly appreciable subdural or
    subarachnoid hemorrhage. The spinal cord contusion is localized to the upper
    cervical segments and there is no epidural hemorrhage. Other organ tissue
    fragments are grossly unremarkable.

    9. The microscopic slides confirm the presence of a healing abrasion to the right
    shoulder, lacking refractile foreign material. The left finger skin has slightly refractile
    foreign material on the surface, which have the appearance of fibers, suggestive of
    gauze or hospital adhesive tape. The lung sections have a pronounced aspiration
    pneumonia with numerous multi-nucleated giant cells phagocytosing foreign
    material, including some plant material. The heart sections have scattered areas
    with contraction-band necrosis, but without myocytolysis, edema, fibrosis or
    inflammatory reaction. The cervical spinal cord segments confirm a recent spinal
    cord contusion and associated edema. The brain sections are markedly edematous
    indicating an acute anoxic ischemic encephalopathy.
    10 . According to Sharp Coronado Hospital records 3 mg Versed was given in the
    emergency room at 1146 on7l22l2o01 following endotracheal intubation. Hospital
    records indicate an unknown down time and the radiological scans are negative for
    cervical spinal fracture. Radiological scans of the head describe a left frontal non-
    depressed fracture. Hospital physicians believed the injuries were inconsistent with
    the report of an accidentalfall and reported the case to Child Protective Services.
    The subsequent report relied on the Medical Examiner's conclusion of the manner of
    death that this was an accidental fall and the case was closed.
    11 . Medical Examiner Toxicology Report is presumptively positive by ELISA for
    bezodiazepines, but this is not confirmed by HPLC.
    These opinions are to a reasonable degree of medical probability and are based on my
    experience and training, as well as my knowledge of the peer-reviewed medical
    literature. I am relying on the information you have provided me at the present time;
    thus, my opinions are liable to change if other information is offered to me for review.

    I am available to testify to these opinions in deposition or at trial, if necessary. Please
    feel free to contact me at the above address and phone number if you have any
    questions or need further clarification.


    Judy Melinek, M.D.

    Last edited by OkieGranny; 02-23-2016 at 02:07 AM. Reason: broken link

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    Dr. Bove Report

    Dr. Bove Report
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    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post

    He was allowed to inspect the site of the accident on October 13, 2011.

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    Dr. Bove, P6

    Describes the scene more from photos, etc. and listening to XZ's interview

    Soccer balls on first floor and a wooden ruler, broken link on chandelier chain found on landing, broken branch found inbetween spindles of railing (landing), recent damage to banister, paint chips ( the last two - Jonah said were not there the day before). XZ said Max showed her how he could ride his scooter in the upstairs hallway the night before.

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    Second Floor Plan Overhead Schematic (staircase and landing)

    Dr Bove Report, Pg 7
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    Pics of the stairs, landing and area... too bad they do not include the chandelier.

    I thought this picture was the most interesting - Looking down from the second story near where the banister dips onto the landing and first story.

    Is it possible because of where the damage is on the banister, that the scooter made it? I don't know, it looks to me if you feel from above, you could easily hit the chandelier as well as other parts of t he banister on the way down, possibly getting flung over to the opposite side of the staircase (lower staircase when you hit the chandelier or other railing)? IDK
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