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    Arrow Believe It or Not?

    In reading up on this case all over the web and in books, I recently came across an Items/Evidence List of things taken from the Ramsey house. It was posted by Ames in 11/06 on a truTV forum. Anyone else know if this was a genuine list?

    I selected the following items from the list and have added comments in parenthesis.

    Ramsey Evidence List (partial)

    Item type Item Description/location Quantity ID # Initials

    Weapon brick 1 12 BAB
    Weapon brick Red clay 1 48 BAB
    Weapon golf club cover 1 50 BAB
    Weapon baseball bat 1 74 BAB
    Weapon hammer 1 6 BAH
    Weapon golf club 1 79 BAH
    Weapon baseball bat 1 3 GLI
    Weapon golf clubs 2 4 GLI
    Weapon flashlight 1 20 JRB
    Weapon paint brush Broken 1 PI KKY
    (all the above items were taken to be considered as possible injury weapons?
    Notice, 2 baseball bats, and multiple golf clubs)

    Wire Wire tied in knot 1 5 BAH
    Wire Wire near body 1 7 KKY

    Trace evidence paper brown 1 17 BAH
    Trace evidence Cigarette butts, leaves & bag 58 BAH
    Trace evidence Glass broken, from wine cellar 1 13 KKY
    Trace evidence Cotton from cellar room 7 PP
    Trace evidence Paper blue, near rear south facing door 1 26 KKY
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 5 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 6 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 7 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 8 KRV
    (The broken glass from WC caught my eye, and also the several other pieces of broken glass)

    Lock door lock 1 17 PP
    Lock door lock 1 18 PP
    Lock Lock 1 12 PP
    (Why door 'lock' - could these be the same as door knobs/lock combos, for fingerprint evidence?)

    Christmas Angel from Christmas tree 1 8 PP

    Christmas Santa Claus suit 1 77 BAB

    Misc. Canvas bag in crawlspace 1 37 KKY (?????)

    Toilet Toilet seat lid 1 13 PP (Just the 'lid'?)

    records bike registration 1 12 MTE
    Records My Science Project" from Burke's bedroom 1 65 KKY
    records research paper and drawings Victims 3 92 KKY



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    Quote Originally Posted by midwest mama View Post
    In reading up on this case all over the web and in books, I recently came across an Items/Evidence List of things taken from the Ramsey house. It was posted by Ames in 11/06 on a truTV forum. Anyone else know if this was a genuine list?

    I selected the following items from the list and have added comments in parenthesis.

    Ramsey Evidence List (partial)

    Item type Item Description/location Quantity ID # Initials

    Weapon brick 1 12 BAB
    Weapon brick Red clay 1 48 BAB
    Weapon golf club cover 1 50 BAB
    Weapon baseball bat 1 74 BAB
    Weapon hammer 1 6 BAH
    Weapon golf club 1 79 BAH
    Weapon baseball bat 1 3 GLI
    Weapon golf clubs 2 4 GLI
    Weapon flashlight 1 20 JRB
    Weapon paint brush Broken 1 PI KKY
    (all the above items were taken to be considered as possible injury weapons?
    Notice, 2 baseball bats, and multiple golf clubs)

    Wire Wire tied in knot 1 5 BAH
    Wire Wire near body 1 7 KKY

    Trace evidence paper brown 1 17 BAH
    Trace evidence Cigarette butts, leaves & bag 58 BAH
    Trace evidence Glass broken, from wine cellar 1 13 KKY
    Trace evidence Cotton from cellar room 7 PP
    Trace evidence Paper blue, near rear south facing door 1 26 KKY
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 5 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 6 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 7 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 8 KRV
    (The broken glass from WC caught my eye, and also the several other pieces of broken glass)

    Lock door lock 1 17 PP
    Lock door lock 1 18 PP
    Lock Lock 1 12 PP
    (Why door 'lock' - could these be the same as door knobs/lock combos, for fingerprint evidence?)

    Christmas Angel from Christmas tree 1 8 PP

    Christmas Santa Claus suit 1 77 BAB

    Misc. Canvas bag in crawlspace 1 37 KKY (?????)

    Toilet Toilet seat lid 1 13 PP (Just the 'lid'?)

    records bike registration 1 12 MTE
    Records My Science Project" from Burke's bedroom 1 65 KKY
    records research paper and drawings Victims 3 92 KKY



    Members, please weigh in!!
    what caught my eye was the golf club cover. Somebody in another thread, made the comment that one thing pointing to the flashlight as the weapon, was that its rubber covering wouldn't have broken the skin. So, I'm wondering what the golf club cover was made of? just guessing here, but I would think JR had the best of the best, so leather maybe? Did BR or PR own clubs? If the cover was one of those silly yarn things, would that be enough to protect from a skin break? I've been doing a little research, and there are reports that a neighbor heard a crashing sound, of metal scraping against concrete. I admit that my 1st thought, was of a golf club. moo

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    Quote Originally Posted by midwest mama View Post
    In reading up on this case all over the web and in books, I recently came across an Items/Evidence List of things taken from the Ramsey house. It was posted by Ames in 11/06 on a truTV forum. Anyone else know if this was a genuine list?

    I selected the following items from the list and have added comments in parenthesis.

    Ramsey Evidence List (partial)

    Item type Item Description/location Quantity ID # Initials

    Weapon brick 1 12 BAB
    Weapon brick Red clay 1 48 BAB
    Weapon golf club cover 1 50 BAB
    Weapon baseball bat 1 74 BAB
    Weapon hammer 1 6 BAH
    Weapon golf club 1 79 BAH
    Weapon baseball bat 1 3 GLI
    Weapon golf clubs 2 4 GLI
    Weapon flashlight 1 20 JRB
    Weapon paint brush Broken 1 PI KKY
    (all the above items were taken to be considered as possible injury weapons?
    Notice, 2 baseball bats, and multiple golf clubs)

    Wire Wire tied in knot 1 5 BAH
    Wire Wire near body 1 7 KKY

    Trace evidence paper brown 1 17 BAH
    Trace evidence Cigarette butts, leaves & bag 58 BAH
    Trace evidence Glass broken, from wine cellar 1 13 KKY
    Trace evidence Cotton from cellar room 7 PP
    Trace evidence Paper blue, near rear south facing door 1 26 KKY
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 5 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 6 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 7 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 8 KRV
    (The broken glass from WC caught my eye, and also the several other pieces of broken glass)

    Lock door lock 1 17 PP
    Lock door lock 1 18 PP
    Lock Lock 1 12 PP
    (Why door 'lock' - could these be the same as door knobs/lock combos, for fingerprint evidence?)

    Christmas Angel from Christmas tree 1 8 PP

    Christmas Santa Claus suit 1 77 BAB

    Misc. Canvas bag in crawlspace 1 37 KKY (?????)

    Toilet Toilet seat lid 1 13 PP (Just the 'lid'?)

    records bike registration 1 12 MTE
    Records My Science Project" from Burke's bedroom 1 65 KKY
    records research paper and drawings Victims 3 92 KKY



    Members, please weigh in!!

    The broken glass from the window tends to make me think it was broken the night of the murder. I can't believe the family would tolerate broken glass in the basement with the kids playing down there.
    I'm just playing detective here. I have no idea who killed JonBenet. It's just an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midwest mama View Post
    In reading up on this case all over the web and in books, I recently came across an Items/Evidence List of things taken from the Ramsey house. It was posted by Ames in 11/06 on a truTV forum. Anyone else know if this was a genuine list?

    I selected the following items from the list and have added comments in parenthesis.

    Ramsey Evidence List (partial)

    Item type Item Description/location Quantity ID # Initials

    Weapon brick 1 12 BAB
    Weapon brick Red clay 1 48 BAB
    Weapon golf club cover 1 50 BAB
    Weapon baseball bat 1 74 BAB
    Weapon hammer 1 6 BAH
    Weapon golf club 1 79 BAH
    Weapon baseball bat 1 3 GLI
    Weapon golf clubs 2 4 GLI
    Weapon flashlight 1 20 JRB
    Weapon paint brush Broken 1 PI KKY
    (all the above items were taken to be considered as possible injury weapons?
    Notice, 2 baseball bats, and multiple golf clubs)

    Wire Wire tied in knot 1 5 BAH
    Wire Wire near body 1 7 KKY

    Trace evidence paper brown 1 17 BAH
    Trace evidence Cigarette butts, leaves & bag 58 BAH
    Trace evidence Glass broken, from wine cellar 1 13 KKY
    Trace evidence Cotton from cellar room 7 PP
    Trace evidence Paper blue, near rear south facing door 1 26 KKY
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 5 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 6 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 7 KRV
    Trace evidence Piece of window broken 1 8 KRV
    (The broken glass from WC caught my eye, and also the several other pieces of broken glass)

    Lock door lock 1 17 PP
    Lock door lock 1 18 PP
    Lock Lock 1 12 PP
    (Why door 'lock' - could these be the same as door knobs/lock combos, for fingerprint evidence?)

    Christmas Angel from Christmas tree 1 8 PP

    Christmas Santa Claus suit 1 77 BAB

    Misc. Canvas bag in crawlspace 1 37 KKY (?????)

    Toilet Toilet seat lid 1 13 PP (Just the 'lid'?)

    records bike registration 1 12 MTE
    Records My Science Project" from Burke's bedroom 1 65 KKY
    records research paper and drawings Victims 3 92 KKY



    Members, please weigh in!!
    HAMMER??!!!!...wondering, which kind? from the train assembly tool kit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrishope View Post
    The broken glass from the window tends to make me think it was broken the night of the murder. I can't believe the family would tolerate broken glass in the basement with the kids playing down there.
    Have you seen that basement? A bit of broken glass behind a furnace, etc, wouldn't even be noticed. The family tolerated a lot of messiness. Look at the other rooms, but the basement in particular- there is wall-to-wall stuff all over the floors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    Have you seen that basement? A bit of broken glass behind a furnace, etc, wouldn't even be noticed. The family tolerated a lot of messiness. Look at the other rooms, but the basement in particular- there is wall-to-wall stuff all over the floors.
    'Slovenly' is a word that readily comes to mind.

    JR admitted that he broke the window when he forgot his key and had to break into the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashtun Wally View Post
    'Slovenly' is a word that readily comes to mind.

    JR admitted that he broke the window when he forgot his key and had to break into the house.
    The piece of glass on the list that boggles me is the one marked as being from the Wine Cellar Room. Does that mean a piece of glass from the broken window in the Train Room made it into the Wine Cellar? How would it have gotten in there? Just one piece of stray glass in an otherwise windowless room, seems like it would have come from another location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashtun Wally View Post
    'Slovenly' is a word that readily comes to mind.

    JR admitted that he broke the window when he forgot his key and had to break into the house.

    Is admitted the correct word? Or would claimed be better?
    I'm just playing detective here. I have no idea who killed JonBenet. It's just an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midwest mama View Post
    The piece of glass on the list that boggles me is the one marked as being from the Wine Cellar Room. Does that mean a piece of glass from the broken window in the Train Room made it into the Wine Cellar? How would it have gotten in there? Just one piece of stray glass in an otherwise windowless room, seems like it would have come from another location.
    Photos of the WC show windows being stored in there. The broken glass in the WC could have come from one of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    Photos of the WC show windows being stored in there. The broken glass in the WC could have come from one of those.
    Thanks, DeeDee. Since they only logged the one piece, if they thought it came from a window in the WC, wouldn't they have had to collect 2 pieces in order to test to make sure it came from a WC window? Or could they have tested the one piece against one from the Train Room to determine it was a match to that window? Or if it didn't match the Train Room, maybe they would then determine it must have been from one in the WC, and therefore no chance of it being transferred somehow from the Train Room? Right?

    And since I value your knowledge about this case, what is your opinion of the "Christmas Angel from Christmas Tree" taken into evidence? It rattled me when I read that JR had laid down beside JB's body under the Christmas Tree and called her "my little angel".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashtun Wally View Post
    'Slovenly' is a word that readily comes to mind.

    JR admitted that he broke the window when he forgot his key and had to break into the house.
    Slovenly is right!


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    Quote Originally Posted by midwest mama View Post
    Thanks, DeeDee. Since they only logged the one piece, if they thought it came from a window in the WC, wouldn't they have had to collect 2 pieces in order to test to make sure it came from a WC window? Or could they have tested the one piece against one from the Train Room to determine it was a match to that window? Or if it didn't match the Train Room, maybe they would then determine it must have been from one in the WC, and therefore no chance of it being transferred somehow from the Train Room? Right?

    And since I value your knowledge about this case, what is your opinion of the "Christmas Angel from Christmas Tree" taken into evidence? It rattled me when I read that JR had laid down beside JB's body under the Christmas Tree and called her "my little angel".
    That is a puzzle (the angel). I don't think it was a tree-topper angel- I was thinking it was more like and angel ornament. I haven't read Kolar's book yet and won't be able to until after Labor Day. If the angel is mentioned in his book, I'll get a better idea when I read about it in context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    That is a puzzle (the angel). I don't think it was a tree-topper angel- I was thinking it was more like and angel ornament. I haven't read Kolar's book yet and won't be able to until after Labor Day. If the angel is mentioned in his book, I'll get a better idea when I read about it in context.
    Don't recall reading about it in the Kolar book. The canvas bag taken from the crawl space is on Ames's list too, and that is not something mentioned in Kolar's book that I recall. Do you recall the poster "Ames" and trust that the complete evidence list that she/he posted on another forum is accurate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    Photos of the WC show windows being stored in there. The broken glass in the WC could have come from one of those.
    Heyya DeeDee.
    I had always thought that just window screens were stored in the WC.
    Is there a particular photo of glass pane window?

    WC:
    http://www.acandyrose.com/base9.gif
    http://www.acandyrose.com/149blanket.jpg
    http://www.acandyrose.com/winecellar2.jpg

    http://crimeshots.com/CrimeScene2.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Heyya DeeDee.
    I had always thought that just window screens were stored in the WC.
    Is there a particular photo of glass pane window?

    WC:
    http://www.acandyrose.com/base9.gif
    http://www.acandyrose.com/149blanket.jpg
    http://www.acandyrose.com/winecellar2.jpg

    http://crimeshots.com/CrimeScene2.html
    Kolar book, pg 340 also show screens, no windows.
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