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    Boy with Down Syndrome denied first class

    A 16 yr old with down syndrome denied first class. Security claims the boy was a security risk. A video shows the boy sitting and waiting for his plane playing with his hat. Some risk.

    American Airlines spokesman Matt Miller said the disabled boy was agitated and running around the gate area prior to boarding, which his parents dispute. The airplane's pilot observed the boy, Miller said, and made the call based on his behavior.
    I think the airline owes this family a hugh apology, not to mention compensation.

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    I think they owe him an apology too.It was heart breaking to hear his mom cry.I do think it was wrong they did this to this boy.How many other kids run around at other times and are not signaled out like this.I would sue them too.I also think the man needs to be fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms Suzanne View Post
    I think they owe him an apology too.It was heart breaking to hear his mom cry.I do think it was wrong they did this to this boy.How many other kids run around at other times and are not signaled out like this.I would sue them too.I also think the man needs to be fired.
    I would pick a child with down syndrome on my flight before a two yr old. I have found children with down syndrome to be sweet and respectful, and just adorable.
    It's almost been a year since we did our last show.Jay Bush my partner has been auditioning for the show Shark Tank and so this has put the show on hold. If he gets on Shark Tank, we will be terribly delayed. Good luck Jay. Either way we will one day continue the show and have the coolest global independent radio station out there. This is just a small video we did with one of our artists.Waiting for One and their tune 35 years. Check it out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Go80y20fA
    We hope to be doing a radio show with all our artists real soon. Hope you can join in the fun. Please bare with us while we improve the show especially the sound.
    Laserdog Enterprises would like to bring you our version of a Tribute to the Angels of Newtown. Another school shooting in Georgia thankfully no children were hurt.
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    I don'tknow what really happened here - but other passengers should be able to speak of what they observed when this is investigated.
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    Robert Vanderhorst is a Civil Litigation attorney in Porterville, California.

    Now it's just my opinion but I think there is more to this story than has been reported and I also wonder if the civil litigation business is slow in the Porterville area?

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    The thread title is misleading. He was not denied "First Class" and put in Coach, he was simply not allowed on the plane.

    After 9/11 there were numerous incidents of flights having to land and suffer delays because mentally unstable individuals would freak out, that is not fair to the other passengers. The pilots KNOW this sort of thing can cause a media frenzy and lawsuits, they would not deny a passenger such as this unless they believed there could be a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    The thread title is misleading. He was not denied "First Class" and put in Coach, he was simply not allowed on the plane.

    After 9/11 there were numerous incidents of flights having to land and suffer delays because mentally unstable individuals would freak out, that is not fair to the other passengers. The pilots KNOW this sort of thing can cause a media frenzy and lawsuits, they would not deny a passenger such as this unless they believed there could be a problem.
    He was denied first class, the parents upgraded to first class and then denied boarding of the plane, they were put on a different flight where they were put in the last row.

    On the second airplane, the family was placed in the last row and no passengers were allowed to sit within two rows of them, Vanderhorst said.

    They were treated unacceptability. This was a child with a disability, not as you say an unstable individual. This child has flown several times without incident. IMO this was a act of discrimination.
    Last edited by legalmania; 09-05-2012 at 07:35 PM.
    It's almost been a year since we did our last show.Jay Bush my partner has been auditioning for the show Shark Tank and so this has put the show on hold. If he gets on Shark Tank, we will be terribly delayed. Good luck Jay. Either way we will one day continue the show and have the coolest global independent radio station out there. This is just a small video we did with one of our artists.Waiting for One and their tune 35 years. Check it out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Go80y20fA
    We hope to be doing a radio show with all our artists real soon. Hope you can join in the fun. Please bare with us while we improve the show especially the sound.
    Laserdog Enterprises would like to bring you our version of a Tribute to the Angels of Newtown. Another school shooting in Georgia thankfully no children were hurt.
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    http://consumerist.com/2012/09/famil...rst-class.html

    STATEMENT FROM AMERICAN TO CONSUMERIST

    The young man was very excitable and running around the gate area prior to boarding. Our pilot noticed and asked a Customer Service Manager to talk to the family to see if we could help him calm down and get better acclimated to the situation. That effort was ultimately unsuccessful, and we made the decision to have the family rebooked on a different flight out of concern for the young man's safety and the safety of other passengers. The family chose not to fly American, so we helped re-accommodate them on another carrier's flight to Los Angeles.

    Asking the family to take a different flight was a decision that was made with careful consideration and was based on the behavior of the teen. Our Newark customer service team worked with the family in an attempt to make Bede as comfortable as possible. Unfortunately, the crew determined he was still agitated, and at that point the [family members] were asked to take an alternate flight...

    We will be refunding the upgrade fees.

    Not saying that airlines can'tmake mistakes, but this family has made the rounds on my area tv stations (NYC/NJ). It's their right to do so, but I would expect that there are lots of people who were on this flight and in the boarding area who witnessed most of everything and will give their statement on what they saw happen.

    I can't imagine that the airline removed him because they simply did not want the 16 year old in first class. Something happened, I just can't take the word of his parents alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zippitydoda View Post
    http://consumerist.com/2012/09/famil...rst-class.html

    STATEMENT FROM AMERICAN TO CONSUMERIST

    The young man was very excitable and running around the gate area prior to boarding. Our pilot noticed and asked a Customer Service Manager to talk to the family to see if we could help him calm down and get better acclimated to the situation. That effort was ultimately unsuccessful, and we made the decision to have the family rebooked on a different flight out of concern for the young man's safety and the safety of other passengers. The family chose not to fly American, so we helped re-accommodate them on another carrier's flight to Los Angeles.

    Asking the family to take a different flight was a decision that was made with careful consideration and was based on the behavior of the teen. Our Newark customer service team worked with the family in an attempt to make Bede as comfortable as possible. Unfortunately, the crew determined he was still agitated, and at that point the [family members] were asked to take an alternate flight...

    We will be refunding the upgrade fees.

    Not saying that airlines can'tmake mistakes, but this family has made the rounds on my area tv stations (NYC/NJ). It's their right to do so, but I would expect that there are lots of people who were on this flight and in the boarding area who witnessed most of everything and will give their statement on what they saw happen.

    I can't imagine that the airline removed him because they simply did not want the 16 year old in first class. Something happened, I just can't take the word of his parents alone.
    I can I have sat with some of the people in first class. They don't want any noise, or any disturbances. They hated me because I talked the entire time. I wouldn't be surprised if some big wig was in first class and talked to the pilot and said he didn't want any children there. Oddly enough he was fine to sit in the back of the plane but not the front.
    It's almost been a year since we did our last show.Jay Bush my partner has been auditioning for the show Shark Tank and so this has put the show on hold. If he gets on Shark Tank, we will be terribly delayed. Good luck Jay. Either way we will one day continue the show and have the coolest global independent radio station out there. This is just a small video we did with one of our artists.Waiting for One and their tune 35 years. Check it out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Go80y20fA
    We hope to be doing a radio show with all our artists real soon. Hope you can join in the fun. Please bare with us while we improve the show especially the sound.
    Laserdog Enterprises would like to bring you our version of a Tribute to the Angels of Newtown. Another school shooting in Georgia thankfully no children were hurt.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axOGOBT77Xs

    Please take a few moments and visit the missing children site. We really need you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legalmania View Post
    I can I have sat with some of the people in first class. They don't want any noise, or any disturbances. They hated me because I talked the entire time. I wouldn't be surprised if some big wig was in first class and talked to the pilot and said he didn't want any children there. Oddly enough he was fine to sit in the back of the plane but not the front.
    Maybe thats what happened, or maybe the 16 year old acted in a manner that caused concern.

    The family were 1st class passengers too....

    I did notice that the Mom is very upset in her self made cell video and did make lots of noise - which is another concern for the airline and security. Shouting in a crowded terminal is not acceptable and she pointed and screamed at other passengers who are not involved in the situation. I understand her frustation, but she may have esculated the situation.

    I fully expect the many people who were in the area during the pre board will come forth and clear this up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zippitydoda View Post
    ...I can't imagine that the airline removed him because they simply did not want the 16 year old in first class....
    Of course they did! If not, why were they so readily willing to book the same family on another flight? If the kid is a danger on one flight, he's surely a danger on another!

    This is about protecting American's richer clients from some perceived disturbance. It has everything to do with small-mindedness and nothing to do with safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Of course they did! If not, why were they so readily willing to book the same family on another flight? If the kid is a danger on one flight, he's surely a danger on another!

    This is about protecting American's richer clients from some perceived disturbance. It has everything to do with small-mindedness and nothing to do with safety.
    where you there and know this? Big bad airlines, yeah I get it I fly often.. lets wait until others who saw what really occurred comment, and they will...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Of course they did! If not, why were they so readily willing to book the same family on another flight? If the kid is a danger on one flight, he's surely a danger on another!

    This is about protecting American's richer clients from some perceived disturbance. It has everything to do with small-mindedness and nothing to do with safety.
    They booked him on ANOTHER flight because they hoped he would be more manageable at a later time! They booked him on another flight with 2 EMPTY ROWS between him and the other passengers!

    They COULD have just said "sorry, find another route, ticket price will be refunded" but instead they likely reassigned seats on another flight to give this family extra space and they are STILL being sued! So much for trying to accommodate! No good deed goes unpunished these days!
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    Some people are so blinded by authority they will go to any length to defend abuse of power. It's a culture-wide form of Stockholm syndrome, I assume.

    If the child was actually deemed a safety hazard, he would not have been allowed on any plane. They would not have taken the chance of "hoping" he would "calm down". That would be like "hoping" the shoe bomber will decide to change into bedroom slippers.

    American decided their first class passengers were too important to be bothered by this young man. But as for coach passengers like me, tough luck. And that much is okay with me: I can cope with a little difference.

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    I've been sat in the back of the plane, and also been pleasantly upgraded to 1st class (work wont pay, but sometimes I get lucky) I've seen all kinds of folks in 1st class. Its not just the rich and jerky who sit there - sometimes a zippy makes it there too.
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