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    Quote Originally Posted by justwannahelp View Post
    right, you'd think that a family member would know exactly how it all panned out and will clear that up. seems like cynthia or joshua would want to set the record straight??
    I admit to being interested in the dynamics of BSL's family/adoption story, but also, I feel badly about my interest.

    BSL has destroyed the lives of everyone in his family, adoptive or biological. We are looking at the intimate details of their lives here. We really have no right to know about their medical conditions, adoption stories, etc. They aren't killers; nor are they celebrities, politicans or someone else seeking the public's interest. I feel badly about wanting to invade their privacy and that BSL has brought this upon them as well.

    They have every right not to come out and clear up the intricacies of his family tree & adoption story, etc. That's their business and none of us would care if wasn't for the fact that BSL is a murderer. I kind of feel like we're allowing BSL to convince us to throw some level of suspicion on them (what happened to make him turn out this way?) when really it is no one's fault besides BSL. Not any mentally ill relative, not even the person who abused him are Mickey's & Lisa's killer. (if that story is true, she's guilty of sexually abusing a boy and that is terrible- but she is still not the person who killed Lisa or Mickey- BSL made the choice to do that all on his own).

    It was BSL who ultimately CHOSE to kill and rape women. Plenty of people are raised around mentally ill family members and are abused. I've read that one out of four women are sexually abused/assaulted at one time in their lives. 1/4 of all women don't become killers. If we did an anonymous poll on WS, my guess is that a significant number of us on here (especially women), have been the subject of sexual abuse/assault at one time or another. Many of these members were probably brought to WS for this very reason.

    BSL's choices are his and his alone. Not his family's. I feel kind of sick about my own interest in his family and family dynamics. I feel like I am a part of further victimizing his family, in a way.

    I think we get in a weird territory when we're looking at the family for reasons why killers are they way they are. We can look at Ted Bundy and how he believed his grandparents were his parents for a long time and then he learned it was his "sister" who was actually his mother. We could say that's why he killed women. Except that same story is the story of Jack Nicholson's childhood, and he channeled that strange experience into art by being an actor. Ted Bundy CHOSE to channel whatever anger he had by killing women. We could say BSL was adopted and so were other serial killers - but so was Steve Jobs, the founder of Apple. So was Faith Hill. Most adopted kids don't grow up to be serial killers. Most abused children also don't grow up to be rapists or killers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justwannahelp View Post
    this is going to sound a little twisted, but I've always wondered why abused children that grow up to kill don't just kill the person that abused them. i'm not condoning killing, but if he felt compelled to kill, why not kill the babysitter that abused him, rather than innocent Mickey and Lisa? ok. that sounded awful, but you see what i mean. it's a cycle of violence either way. i just wish sweet beautiful Mickey would have been spared.
    I've often wondered the same thing about other serial killers. Especially after reading that some of them were "killing" their mother each time they killed a woman.

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    KTGIRL! You put it perfectly! I feel the same way. I want to know, too. But I do feel guilty for wanting to know. It's just me being nosey and his family doesn't deserve even more invasion of their privacy.
    No amount of knowing will excuse Brandon's choices. He ultimately made the decision to hit his wife, sexually assault his ex girlfriend's cousin, murder Lisa and Mickey. He cannot excuse his behavior away because he was abused. I feel badly for the child, Brandon Scott Lavergne. I really do. If his allegations of abuse are true- and I believe they are- then I have sympathy for the little boy. I am angered when I read about how it was a well known fact around Church Point.... WHY didn't any responsible adult ever stop it? Report it? Or did they? Who knows? People failed Brandon, the child. But then... He grew up and victimized others just because he could. He knew it was wrong. He knew what they were feeling since he was a victim himself... Yet he did it anyway. More than once. He made the choice. Not the father who abused him or the babysitter that molested him- Brandon Scott Lavergne- the adult- chose to Hurt, rape, and Murder INNOCENT women.

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    I'm going to go out on a limb here and risk being beaten, but...

    Am I the only one here who thinks, "if only that well known business man would have kept his marital vows and not committed adultery"?

    Yes, I realize that BSL is responsible for his actions. But, I can't help but think of "the children pay for the sins of the parents".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktgirl View Post
    I admit to being interested in the dynamics of BSL's family/adoption story, but also, I feel badly about my interest.

    BSL has destroyed the lives of everyone in his family, adoptive or biological. We are looking at the intimate details of their lives here. We really have no right to know about their medical conditions, adoption stories, etc. They aren't killers; nor are they celebrities, politicans or someone else seeking the public's interest. I feel badly about wanting to invade their privacy and that BSL has brought this upon them as well.

    They have every right not to come out and clear up the intricacies of his family tree & adoption story, etc. That's their business and none of us would care if wasn't for the fact that BSL is a murderer. I kind of feel like we're allowing BSL to convince us to throw some level of suspicion on them (what happened to make him turn out this way?) when really it is no one's fault besides BSL. Not any mentally ill relative, not even the person who abused him are Mickey's & Lisa's killer. (if that story is true, she's guilty of sexually abusing a boy and that is terrible- but she is still not the person who killed Lisa or Mickey- BSL made the choice to do that all on his own).

    It was BSL who ultimately CHOSE to kill and rape women. Plenty of people are raised around mentally ill family members and are abused. I've read that one out of four women are sexually abused/assaulted at one time in their lives. 1/4 of all women don't become killers. If we did an anonymous poll on WS, my guess is that a significant number of us on here (especially women), have been the subject of sexual abuse/assault at one time or another. Many of these members were probably brought to WS for this very reason.

    BSL's choices are his and his alone. Not his family's. I feel kind of sick about my own interest in his family and family dynamics. I feel like I am a part of further victimizing his family, in a way.

    I think we get in a weird territory when we're looking at the family for reasons why killers are they way they are. We can look at Ted Bundy and how he believed his grandparents were his parents for a long time and then he learned it was his "sister" who was actually his mother. We could say that's why he killed women. Except that same story is the story of Jack Nicholson's childhood, and he channeled that strange experience into art by being an actor. Ted Bundy CHOSE to channel whatever anger he had by killing women. We could say BSL was adopted and so were other serial killers - but so was Steve Jobs, the founder of Apple. So was Faith Hill. Most adopted kids don't grow up to be serial killers. Most abused children also don't grow up to be rapists or killers.
    I completely agree with you. Having said that, I think that the reason why we are all so intrigued by his family life, childhood, etc. is because we want to try and understand why "he is the way he is". I think its easier (not necessarily right) for people to find excuses for why people choose to kill. Its easier than thinking that these types of evil people are just that...evil. Its no excuse and I don't believe that just because you had some horrible things happen to you as a child, you should grow up to be a serial killer. I think it is just human nature for us to assume that there is some troubled past which caused a person to do the things they did. I don't know what makes people kill...I just feel better thinking that its because of something rather than just because they are pure evil. I assume that people are probably born with a certain disposition and perhaps had nothing traumatizing happpened to them, they would have gone through life without the desire to harm or kill. But this, of course, is just my thoughts. I do agree with you about his family's right to privacy and that they are NOT the reason he "is the way he is". But everything that happens in a person's life makes up who they are...I guess some have that certain something in them that makes them evil. Wish I could better understand the human mind!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedus23 View Post
    Best I could make of it is it means he'd be good at a Rubik's cube. I could see that translating to his criminal activities though. Visualizing his predicament and what needs to be done to get out of it.
    I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly, & I can't find the notes I took at the courthouse but I'm sure a poster or Bessie will remember:
    His scenario for the attack/abduction/muder of Mickey does not sound like someone w/ the high perceptual organization score that was indicated. His description of how it all happened, both w/ Mickey & Lisa, don't sound all that fluid. Or is it just me??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donamena View Post
    I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly, & I can't find the notes I took at the courthouse but I'm sure a poster or Bessie will remember:
    His scenario for the attack/abduction/muder of Mickey does not sound like someone w/ the high perceptual organization score that was indicated. His description of how it all happened, both w/ Mickey & Lisa, don't sound all that fluid. Or is it just me??

    Yes, I agree. But, I don't think that we got the full story from him anyway. I realize that his story had to match the evidence that the prosecutors had, but since we don't know what evidence that is, I guess we just have to assume that it was similar to his story. I also think that he provided as little detail as possible to get by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peepop123 View Post
    Yes, I agree. But, I don't think that we got the full story from him anyway. I realize that his story had to match the evidence that the prosecutors had, but since we don't know what evidence that is, I guess we just have to assume that it was similar to his story. I also think that he provided as little detail as possible to get by.
    And that is why the 2 attorneys that were assigned to him, were in fact assigned to him, because they are good at what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GulfCoastKAT View Post
    I do not think his father is the same as his adoptive father that allegedly abused him. I think his parents adopted him, neither is the bio parent. His mother was a Lavergne through both of her marriages. Her second husband, the one that was hospitalized When Mickey was murdered, was also a Lavergne. His bio parents may have known the adoptive parents/ been related to them some way, though.
    His adoptive father was the one hospitalized when Mickey was murdered. His stepfather (mom's 2nd husband) died in August 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jujube View Post
    His adoptive father was the one hospitalized when Mickey was murdered. His stepfather (mom's 2nd husband) died in August 2009.
    If it was his adoptive father who abused him, & he was in the hospital when BSL attacked Mickey, then that's why, as someone said many threads earlier, he picked ochsner, so out of the way. That's prob also the stressor for his attack on Mickey: adoptive father, stressor from his childhood, extremely ill; trawling around for an 'escort' in the early am hours, not being able to get one, & combined w/ his horrid temper, & then seeing Mickey: alone & on a bike, down a somewhat dark street....


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    Quote Originally Posted by ktgirl View Post
    I admit to being interested in the dynamics of BSL's family/adoption story, but also, I feel badly about my interest.

    BSL has destroyed the lives of everyone in his family, adoptive or biological. We are looking at the intimate details of their lives here. We really have no right to know about their medical conditions, adoption stories, etc. They aren't killers; nor are they celebrities, politicans or someone else seeking the public's interest. I feel badly about wanting to invade their privacy and that BSL has brought this upon them as well.

    They have every right not to come out and clear up the intricacies of his family tree & adoption story, etc. That's their business and none of us would care if wasn't for the fact that BSL is a murderer. I kind of feel like we're allowing BSL to convince us to throw some level of suspicion on them (what happened to make him turn out this way?) when really it is no one's fault besides BSL. Not any mentally ill relative, not even the person who abused him are Mickey's & Lisa's killer. (if that story is true, she's guilty of sexually abusing a boy and that is terrible- but she is still not the person who killed Lisa or Mickey- BSL made the choice to do that all on his own).

    It was BSL who ultimately CHOSE to kill and rape women. Plenty of people are raised around mentally ill family members and are abused. I've read that one out of four women are sexually abused/assaulted at one time in their lives. 1/4 of all women don't become killers. If we did an anonymous poll on WS, my guess is that a significant number of us on here (especially women), have been the subject of sexual abuse/assault at one time or another. Many of these members were probably brought to WS for this very reason.

    BSL's choices are his and his alone. Not his family's. I feel kind of sick about my own interest in his family and family dynamics. I feel like I am a part of further victimizing his family, in a way.

    I think we get in a weird territory when we're looking at the family for reasons why killers are they way they are. We can look at Ted Bundy and how he believed his grandparents were his parents for a long time and then he learned it was his "sister" who was actually his mother. We could say that's why he killed women. Except that same story is the story of Jack Nicholson's childhood, and he channeled that strange experience into art by being an actor. Ted Bundy CHOSE to channel whatever anger he had by killing women. We could say BSL was adopted and so were other serial killers - but so was Steve Jobs, the founder of Apple. So was Faith Hill. Most adopted kids don't grow up to be serial killers. Most abused children also don't grow up to be rapists or killers.
    You are right. It's not an excuse. The reason I'm hoping for clarification from the family is because a part of me thinks BSL lied in his evaluation. A part of me doubts that he was sexually abused by a teenage girl sitter. I wonder if it's part of his "I'm the victim" card that he seems to like to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post
    A psychological evaluation of Brandon Scott Lavergne, the man convicted in August of killing Mickey Shunick and Lisa Pate, reveals he was hospitalized at age 15 for treatment of anger and depression and has a history of physical abuse and molestation.

    http://www.theadvertiser.com/article...text|FRONTPAGE

    BSL Psychological Report, downloadable PDF

    A day after Brandon Scott Lavergne led investigators to the body of Mickey Shunick in exchange for his life, the 33-year-old registered sex offender and convicted killer of two Acadiana women told a criminal psychologist that he was subjected to “chronic childhood physical abuse” by his adoptive father and “multiple instances of molestation by a teenaged female babysitter” as a toddler.

    http://www.theind.com/news/indreport...oubled-history


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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post
    An update on yesterday's article by Claire Taylor in The Advertiser.

    http://www.theadvertiser.com/article...text|FRONTPAGE
    Bumping.. Seems every time that I read BSL's psych evaluation results. I become more concerned of his unknown victim total..

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