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    Quote Originally Posted by madamx View Post
    omg this just dawned on me what? if its an unknown they just immediately filed as male? why cant they just leave it as unknown??
    That also means that such remains are not automatically compared to female missing persons

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    That's crazy.. They should leave it unknown which gives the option of being matched to a male or female... Oh dear...
    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    That also means that such remains are not automatically compared to female missing persons

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    I just happen to come across this guy that I had not recall seeing before.. if someone put him on this thread already sorry for the repeat
    http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...871e3ce6c.html
    It was Sept. 3, 1989, when the owners of the Good 'n Loud Music store on University Avenue halfway between Madison and Middleton found a pile of bones, a skull and rotting clothing at the base of the store's chimney. They had removed a boiler in the basement to repair a leak, and saw a skull through a pipe connecting the boiler to the chimney.

    Though clothing items — paisley dress, blouse, sweater, shoes, but no underclothes — were clearly a woman's, the skeleton was that of a man. Or, as Lengfeld and retired homicide detective James Grann noted, police are 93 percent certain it was a man.
    The body was probably that of a small white man with brown hair and a slight overbite, and had been in the 11.75-inch-diameter chimney for two months to two years, experts estimated at the time. He either died there or was killed elsewhere and his body stuffed into the chimney. Over time the body decomposed and the bones — the pelvis was broken in two places — fell to the bottom of the chimney. Cause of death: unknown.
    Police adopted a "most likely" scenario: the victim was a male cross-dresser, possibly a prostitute, surprised someone, perhaps a customer, who was angry enough about that surprise to commit murder, then stuff the body down the chimney.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/745umwi.html

    Date of Discovery: September 3, 1989
    Location of Discovery: Madison, Dane County, Wisconsin
    Estimated Date of Death: 2 months to two years
    State of Remains: Skeletal
    Cause of Death: Accident or homicide
    Physical Description
    Estimated Age: 18-35 years old
    Race: White
    Gender: Male
    Height: 5'5" to 5'7"
    Weight: Unknown, but victim had a thin build.
    Hair Color: Brown, about 4 inches long.
    Eye Color: Unknown
    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown
    Identifiers
    Dentals: Available. Pronounced overbite.
    Fingerprints: Not available
    DNA: Not available
    Clothing & Personal Items
    Clothing: A sleeveless paisley dress, with a matching belt; a long-sleeved, button-down shirt that may have been made of Oxford-type cloth. A medium-size White Stag brand, shaggy-pile sweater. Low-heeled, pointed shoes. He was wearing one pair of socks and carrying another pair. He was not wearing underwear.
    Jewelry: A German iron cross medallion.
    Additional Personal Items: Butter knife and a pocket comb.
    Circumstances of Discovery
    The victim's skeletal remains were found in the chimney of a business on University Avenue in Madison, WI. The owner of the building was doing repair work, and saw water leaking from the flue onto the basement floor after removing a boiler. He shined a light into the chimney and discovered the remains at the base of the chimney about level with the basement floor. There is no way the man could have gotten into the pipe from within the building.
    The person may have been a male cross-dresser or someone for some reason disguising himself as a woman.
    Detectives have speculated the man was a burglar who got stuck in the chimney and died, or a murder victim who was stuffed into the chimney.
    The pelvic bones of the mystery man had been severely fractured and those injuries appear to have been caused at the time of death. 745UMWI[1].jpg

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    For anyone who’s interested, here’s a link to a good ‘primer’ on the subject of Forensic Anthropology:

    http://aboutforensics.co.uk/forensic-anthropology/
    Posts are my opinion/speculation with the exception of relevant source material

    The information contained herein is not to be reproduced or reprinted outside of Websleuths.com without my written permission

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    For anyone who’s interested, here’s a link to a good ‘primer’ on the subject of Forensic Anthropology:

    http://aboutforensics.co.uk/forensic-anthropology/
    Thanks for posting interesting link. Since the article is lengthy, posting these parts, for quick reference.
    rbbm.

    Sex
    Establishing the sex of skeletonised human remains is not generally too difficult, as there are a number of morphological differences between the skeletons of males and females. If the remains have not reached the latter stages of decomposition, some indicators of sex may still be present in the softer tissues. For instance, the prostate gland in males and the uterus in females do not decay until later than other soft tissues. Should the bones be all that remains, perhaps the most significant indicator of sex is the pelvis. In a female the pelvis presents a U-shaped sub pubic arch, as oppose to the V-shape found in a male pelvis. As would be expected, the female’s pelvis is also generally more spacious to allow for childrearing, with a wider sub-pubic angle and sciatic notch. Furthermore, examination of a female’s pelvis may even indicate whether or not she has previously given birth, offering a further detail for identification purposes. Through examination of the skull it may also be possible to determine the likely sex of the remains, with the skull of a male tending to display a larger, squarer and more pronounced jaw, a more prominent supraorbital ridge (brow), and more rectangular eye sockets (orbits). Though not an infallible means of sex determination, the general size of bones can provide some indication as to whether the remains belong to a male or female. As the muscles in a male tend to be larger and better developed, the bones are generally larger and to an extent more robust than those of a female. However it should be noted that establishing sex based on the human skeleton is often challenging when dealing with the remains of pre-pubescent children, as certain indicators, such as the widening of the hips in a female, may not have occurred until puberty. Furthermore, the natural sex of an individual may not be consistent with the gender of that individual (for instance, a person designated female at birth may be living as a male), hindering the identification process.
    Ethnicity
    Establishing the ethnicity of an individual is generally carried out by studying the skull, which is typically classed as belonging to a Caucasoid (or Caucasion), Negroid or Mongoloid. The cranium itself is typically long, narrow and high in Caucasians, similar in Negroids but lower, and more rounded in individuals of Mongoloid ancestry. The size of the nasal opening may be used as an indicator for ethnicity, with the nasal cavity of a Caucasian being narrower and higher in comparison to the broader opening belonging to an individual of Negroid origin, and Monogloids sitting somewhat in between. The eye orbits can also provide clues as to the possible ethnicity, with individuals of Caucasian ancestry tending to have sloped orbits, as oppose to Negroids who generally possess more rectangular eye orbits and people of Mongoloid ancestry with rounder orbits. The mastoid process, which refers to a particular part of the skull just behind the ear, tends to appear as a wider projection in Negroids whereas this is often more pointed and narrow in Caucasian individuals. The teeth may also prove beneficial to a certain extent, with individuals of a Mongoloid ethnicity tending to have upper incisors that could be described as ‘shovel-shaped’ with a curved inner surface, as oppose to the more flat surface found in the teeth of Negroids and Caucasians. An additional observation to note relating to teeth, Caucasians tend to have smaller teeth and more overcrowding, commonly resulting in impacting third molars that must be removed. However the determination of ethnicity is certainly not straightforward, with the occurrence of ‘racial hybridity’ being a problem in establishing ethnicity of an unknown individual. This is the result of breeding between different racial groups, resulting in individuals possessing features that are typical of two or more racial groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madamx View Post
    I just happen to come across this guy that I had not recall seeing before.. if someone put him on this thread already sorry for the repeat
    http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...871e3ce6c.html
    It was Sept. 3, 1989, when the owners of the Good 'n Loud Music store on University Avenue halfway between Madison and Middleton found a pile of bones, a skull and rotting clothing at the base of the store's chimney. They had removed a boiler in the basement to repair a leak, and saw a skull through a pipe connecting the boiler to the chimney.

    Though clothing items — paisley dress, blouse, sweater, shoes, but no underclothes — were clearly a woman's, the skeleton was that of a man. Or, as Lengfeld and retired homicide detective James Grann noted, police are 93 percent certain it was a man.
    The body was probably that of a small white man with brown hair and a slight overbite, and had been in the 11.75-inch-diameter chimney for two months to two years, experts estimated at the time. He either died there or was killed elsewhere and his body stuffed into the chimney. Over time the body decomposed and the bones — the pelvis was broken in two places — fell to the bottom of the chimney. Cause of death: unknown.
    Police adopted a "most likely" scenario: the victim was a male cross-dresser, possibly a prostitute, surprised someone, perhaps a customer, who was angry enough about that surprise to commit murder, then stuff the body down the chimney.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/745umwi.html

    Date of Discovery: September 3, 1989
    Location of Discovery: Madison, Dane County, Wisconsin
    Estimated Date of Death: 2 months to two years
    State of Remains: Skeletal
    Cause of Death: Accident or homicide
    Physical Description
    Estimated Age: 18-35 years old
    Race: White
    Gender: Male
    Height: 5'5" to 5'7"
    Weight: Unknown, but victim had a thin build.
    Hair Color: Brown, about 4 inches long.
    Eye Color: Unknown
    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown
    Identifiers
    Dentals: Available. Pronounced overbite.
    Fingerprints: Not available
    DNA: Not available
    Clothing & Personal Items
    Clothing: A sleeveless paisley dress, with a matching belt; a long-sleeved, button-down shirt that may have been made of Oxford-type cloth. A medium-size White Stag brand, shaggy-pile sweater. Low-heeled, pointed shoes. He was wearing one pair of socks and carrying another pair. He was not wearing underwear.
    Jewelry: A German iron cross medallion.
    Additional Personal Items: Butter knife and a pocket comb.
    Circumstances of Discovery
    The victim's skeletal remains were found in the chimney of a business on University Avenue in Madison, WI. The owner of the building was doing repair work, and saw water leaking from the flue onto the basement floor after removing a boiler. He shined a light into the chimney and discovered the remains at the base of the chimney about level with the basement floor. There is no way the man could have gotten into the pipe from within the building.
    The person may have been a male cross-dresser or someone for some reason disguising himself as a woman.
    Detectives have speculated the man was a burglar who got stuck in the chimney and died, or a murder victim who was stuffed into the chimney.
    The pelvic bones of the mystery man had been severely fractured and those injuries appear to have been caused at the time of death. 745UMWI[1].jpg
    They have a thread here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lothing-Sep-89

    Wish I knew whether they preferred to be called "he" or "she."
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    This article is from 2010 and touches briefly on this case. Wondering if a pic of the powder compact found near the remains has ever been published?
    Somebody might remember selling a young man a powder compact, it would have been notable back then, imo.
    https://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...de-challenges/
    The final resting place of a man found in Markham in 1980 near 11th Line and Steeles Avenue remains much the same.

    Last year, the officers unveiled a clay bust of the man, whose skull and remains were found in the bushes along with red high-heels, white socks, jeans and a powder compact with mirror.

    His identity remains unknown.
    rbbm

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    http://www.victorialywood.com/COLD_CASE_FILES.html
    The Man in the Red High Heels: Unidentified skeletal remains.

    To amateur and professional cold case investigators: Your assistance is urgently needed to help identify this long neglected victim!


    The victim’s remains were discovered on July 16, 1980, on the Eleventh Concession near Steeles Avenue in Markham, Ontario and he is believed to have died approximately 3 years earlier. In 1983, three years after the body was found, for some unknown reason, the body and the clothing found with it were buried at Mount Pleasant Cemetery essentially causing all physical evidence to disappear.

    In 2007, the remains were exhumed, believing a possible connection with the murders of Richard Hovey and Eric Jones who were identified through massive media coverage of facial reconstructions. (Please see links below).

    The skull of The Man in the Red High Heels had been virtually reassembled from fragmented remains and recreated in 3d on a rapid prototype printer at John Abbott College, QC. The facial reconstructions were completed within 3 weeks and delivered to York Regional Police Cold Case Unit in July 2009. The facial reconstruction of The Man in the Red High Heels has been exposed once on the national news in Dec 2009 at approximately 8:10 am. (News coverage is to the best of the artist’s information).

    To date, the facial images and clothing sketches have never been posted on the unidentified bodies site belonging to the Ontario provincial authorities. While there may have been more local media releases in the Toronto area, it is the artist’s opinion that news coverage of any cold case file must be extensive and repeated in order that just one person out there with the knowlege of the deceased can recognize the images and the story.

    The 2d reconstruction has never been seen as a 3d photo was incorrectly posted instead on the police website.

    The full body clothing sketch is the artist’s initial impression received from a meager available description. Although the shoes were described as pink and red, the pink portion could never be pin-pointed. Specific details of the shirt and jeans are only an impression as no examples were offered at the time of the drawings
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    To Recap: The Man in the Red High Heels has not been seen by family or friends since approximately 1977. His remains were discovered in July 1980 one mile north of Steeles Avenue in a bushy area on the east side of 11th Concession in Markham Ontario. He is said to have been a white male between the ages of 25 to 40 years with a slim build weighing approximately 99-121 lbs. and was about 5ft 4 in. to 5ft 7 in. tall. He had medium to dark brown straight hair, 4 inches long. He had fillings in his teeth and a number of his teeth had been missing for some time before he died. His eye colour is unknown. He was wearing a lady’s red shirt, women’s “Brittania” jeans (sized 30 inch waist and a 29 inch inseam), white frilled socks and red and pink high heeled shoes.

    Articles found in the same area include a compact containing a mirror and face powder and 2 green, plastic garbage bags with additonal articles.

    Please help this victim go home. Talk about the case and spread the news across the borders, as he may not be from Ontario, Canada. If you recognize the face or the story and can offer any leads to detectives, please contact Det. David MacDonald, Homicide Unit, York Regional Police at 1-866-876-5423, (905) 830-0303 ext 7871.

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