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    The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #5

    I ran across this blog, and found it fascinating. You can spend hours reading her entries looking for leads or clues.

    http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=389
    "One year ago today Morgan’s stalking started"

    The family posts this on August 2nd.

    Their daughter was stalked for 4 months, and in Dec of 2011 she died under mysterious circustances. There was no investigation.

    The family has been posting events on the one year anniversary of the occurance each day leading up until her death.

    So they will be posting every day until December.

    Their site apparently is now getting over 40,000 hits a day as more and more people are reading about what they went through, and what little was done by police enforcement to catch the stalker and also to investigate her death.

    The blog format is a bit conufusing. After each daily post, there is a separate comment section, and then also you scroll back up and hit 'next'
    to read the next days post.

    There are a months worth of posts now, and it seems there will be plenty to read in the coming weeks. They have been incredibly responsive to comments and also incredibly appreciative.

    I'm curious to everybody's thoughts and insight on this.

    May we discuss it?


    Here are some ground rules for posting on this unique case:


    1)no bashing of the family
    2)no sleuthing of the family
    3)discuss the blog posts
    4)do not copy and paste blog comments
    5)no speculation on mental illness of the family or Morgan (there is nothing in the msm to back this up)
    6)use the alert button to communicate any posts that you have a question with
    7)leave the snark and personal attacks at the door

    ......

    after reviewing the entire thread I will also add on sleuthing the parents' property..

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8347609#post8347609"]no discussion timeline/media/photo thread[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183957"]thread #1[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8371203#post8371203"]thread #2[/ame]
    thread #3
    thread #4


    important! Please read:

    reminder:
    Unless you are a VERIFIED expert in pharmacology,toxicology,pathology or an area of expertise more specifically related to the issue of Morgan's tox results- We need to link information regarding interpreting the data as it relates to her postmortem blood levels.

    We already know that experts themselves are not in complete agreement and the issue is very complex so we need to be careful about posting data as fact when none of us, to date, are verified experts in this field.

    You can discuss the issue in general terms but if anything specific regarding the interpretation of the data it must be linked to the source of the information . Posts that do not comply will be removed.


    Thank you so much!
    Last edited by nursebeeme; 09-25-2012 at 09:13 AM.

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    link to Tricia's interview this past Sunday:
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8368051&postcount=56"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Websleuths Radio Archived Shows[/ame]

    or listen here:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleu...bsleuths-radio

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    link to the question only/no discussion thread: (thanks JBean!)

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185307"]**NO DISCUSSION** Morgan Ingram-The Questions **LIST ONLY** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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    The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #5

    Continue the discussion here:

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    I'm sure you all already covered this. But Toni talked about in the comments how the house was surrounded by pretty much dirt not just grass, so if anything from the ground was thrown at windows it would just blend in.
    http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=1346#comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by keeponsearching View Post
    I'm sure you all already covered this. But Toni talked about in the comments how the house was surrounded by pretty much dirt not just grass, so if anything from the ground was thrown at windows it would just blend in.
    http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=1346#comments
    Also noticed in the comments, that the case was bought up on the Rikki Lake show.
    I didn't even know there was a Rikki Lake show anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollinginit View Post
    Also noticed in the comments, that the case was bought up on the Rikki Lake show.
    I didn't even know there was a Rikki Lake show anymore.
    Its a new show for Rikki.

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    Morgani's obituary with some very, very nice comments:

    http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20...&mode=comments

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    From last thread; bringing over for Confusion (the WS member, hehe)

    I've gone through the first part of my list of questions, and answered with possibilities/options I've been able to come up with for now. If you have any others you think should have been added, please let me know. Once I get through all of the questions I feel I need answers to, I want to go through them all and try piecing together the most likely chain of events. TIA for any help you can giveand please forgive my strange formatting. It makes it easier for me, but probably harder for others.

    1. What actually killed her. That includes how much of the drugs she would have to take to get those levels in her system, whether it was the effects of the drugs or a complication (pulmonary edema, etc.)

    Amitriptyline poisoning - unknown amount needed to get levels tested
    Liquid given orally
    Liquid given by injection
    Tablets crushed and hidden in food or drink
    Powder hidden in food or drink
    Gel Caps Emptied into food or drink
    Flexeril - not likely to have caused death, but drug interaction may have contributed
    Given by friend for muscle pain/spasms
    Given by friend to help sleep
    Bought for one of the above reasons
    Combined with amitriptyline and administered with it (as above)

    Dalmane - not likely to have caused death, but drug interaction may have contributed
    Given by friend for sleep
    Bought for sleep
    Taken from friend's grandmother for sleep
    Mixed with amitriptyline and/or Flexeril as above

    Pulmonary Edema
    Brought on by drug overdose
    Brought on by inhalation of stomach contents
    Brought on by undiagnosed heart or lung disease

    Not likely because nothing turned up in the autopsy

    2. How the drugs got into her system. This means - why were there drugs in her blood and stomach but no fragments, no 'stomach contents' (it was stated that the stomach was empty), no injection sites (as far as TI knows), no drug paraphernalia, empty bottles, etc. in the room.

    Liquid swallowed could be put a glass water bottle in she always carried with her everywhere or drink she had before going home
    Liquid - injected
    Powder swallowed
    Powder inhaled
    Powder combined with water or other fluid and used as liquid above
    Powder combined with water or other fluid and used as gel below
    Tablet crushed and swallowed
    Tablet crushed and combined with fluid, as with liquid or gel
    Gel swallowed
    Gel trans-dermal application

    3. Why the dogs didn't react that night.
    Tessi did react somewhat, which led to her spending the night in the parents' room.
    Wylah was a puppy and hadn't become much of a guard dog yet.
    Wylah was drugged too
    The person was known to the dogs
    The person didn't actually enter the house that night
    The person was hidden in the home/garage when the family came home and didn't alarm the dogs


    4. How someone could have entered her room that night without being seen or heard, and without leaving any kind of evidence.

    Learned the code for the door and entered while the family was gone, and:
    Hid in an unused room until everyone was asleep
    Unlocked the garage door (and the interior door to the garage)
    Unlocked the unused sliding glass door.
    Unlocked a window or opened one in a spare room

    Mixed the drugs with something she would be likely to eat or drink later.
    Was invited in because s/he was an unlikely suspect
    Somehow managed to give her the drugs before she went home and never entered the home


    5. Why nobody, other than the deer, was caught on film that night.
    Knew how the cameras worked (timing and areas covered) and worked around them
    Kept trees or other objects between self and cameras
    Very lucky (not at all likely)
    Nobody was there


    6. Why the stalker would choose that (a)time and (b)method to kill her.
    (a)

    Was almost caught recently
    Was becoming bored with just stalking
    Reactions weren't strong enough anymore
    All of the security measures were too much work for too little reward
    Didn't mean to kill her, but used wrong doses/drugs


    (b)
    Wanted to convince authorities that it WAS NOT murder to avoid investigation
    Wanted to make sure the family knew it WAS murder
    Used whatever was on hand
    Wanted to prove intelligence by outsmarting authorities
    Lacked physical strength to use physical violence
    Couldn't handle seeing blood
    Miscalculated and death was accidental
    Wanted it to point to B & K if it was investigated


    7. What made her last day different from those before it. That would include (a)the lack of appetite, (b)the preparations for going out, (c)not responding to texts, (d)losing her temper with TI, (e)other

    (a)
    Coming down with cold/flu/virus
    Had already ingested drugs somehow the previous day/night
    Exhaustion from lack of sleep
    Stress

    (b)
    plans to meet the parents! (or grandparent, whatever the case may be)
    happy because her relationship was changing direction
    feeling closure with the old bf so she could totally enjoy the new one

    (c)
    At grandma's house and didn't want to explain what was going on with the texts
    Was enjoying the company and didn't want to go home afraid she'd have to go anyway
    Didn't know her phone had been shut off
    (d)
    Not feeling well
    Tired of having to be treated like a little girl
    Frustrated with having to leave bf to go home
    Guilt for worrying parents in order to relax and enjoy herself a bit
    Upset already by something someone had said or done before she got home

    (e)
    Ex-bf at her house working with her father early in the day
    Took bf to apply for jobs
    Had breakfast date scheduled for next day
    Was texting bf before going to bed
    Told mother she had visited a friend's house (10-15 minutes) and had been at the same house 2 weeks ago, felt sick and thought someone slipped her something then

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    IMO, in regards to the stalker element, if someone is an avid hunter and hunting fanatic, wouldn't a human be the ultimate prey? Considering this point, typical stalking behavior could be absent because the act was not fueled by obsession of the prey but rather, the challenge of hunting "The Most Dangerous Game"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cazzie View Post
    From last thread; bringing over for Confusion (the WS member, hehe)
    Thanks Cazzie for bringing the post to this thread and thanks for sharing your list Confusion. I try to keep up but the thread moves so fast it feels impossible! This is very helpful. Thank you.


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    I think under 6 (b), why the stalker would choose that method, we should add he wanted to go undetected. He wanted it to be quiet without waking the others in the house.

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    New post on the blog:

    http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=1391

    Interesting to note this description of the stalking. Not sure what it means:

    "...after being viciously gang stalked for four months..."

    Is there evidence of a "gang" of stalkers that we haven't yet seen?

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    Well if there are a gang of them there should be some video of at least some of them or have they all managed to evade the surveillance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball58 View Post
    New post on the blog:

    http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=1391

    Interesting to note this description of the stalking. Not sure what it means:

    "...after being viciously gang stalked for four months..."

    Is there evidence of a "gang" of stalkers that we haven't yet seen?
    If you search google, there are many definitions of gang stalking. Some are really far out there.

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