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    Shannan Gilbert's Remains

    I need to get something straight as it is very important to me. I was always under the impression that SG's body was being held and MG was unable to take possession of it so she can have a funeral. Now I am hearing that MG can take the body whenever she wants but has opted not to because she is waiting to get the cash together to have a second autopsy done (she has had a decent amount of time to put the scratch together). Does anyone have a straight answer? This is a very important issue to me; everyones input is apprecciated.

    The remains of the missing Jersey City woman whose disappearance sparked searches that led to a human dumping ground off Ocean Parkway -- and the belief that a serial killer is on the loose -- have not been returned to her family, her mother said.

    On May 1, two years to the day after Shannan Gilbert, 24, disappeared in Oak Beach, her family and their attorney were told by a Suffolk County Medical Examiner official and homicide detectives that her autopsy was inconclusive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    I need to get something straight as it is very important to me. I was always under the impression that SG's body was being held and MG was unable to take possession of it so she can have a funeral. Now I am hearing that MG can take the body whenever she wants but has opted not to because she is waiting to get the cash together to have a second autopsy done (she has had a decent amount of time to put the scratch together). Does anyone have a straight answer? This is a very important issue to me; everyones input is apprecciated.

    The remains of the missing Jersey City woman whose disappearance sparked searches that led to a human dumping ground off Ocean Parkway -- and the belief that a serial killer is on the loose -- have not been returned to her family, her mother said.

    On May 1, two years to the day after Shannan Gilbert, 24, disappeared in Oak Beach, her family and their attorney were told by a Suffolk County Medical Examiner official and homicide detectives that her autopsy was inconclusive.

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    I think the part that begins the confusion is "the medical examiner's decision", I believe that "decision" was referring to the "inconclusive" rather than the "decision" of not releasing the body. That confusion continues with Mr. Ray's statements. If you're assuming it was the ME's decision to withhold the body, then the train of thought with JRs comment is that, "If they would just turn over the report, they could get the body." Knowing that it is about the lack of funds, I read Mr. Ray's statement differently. Now I read it is that he requested from the ME the report... 3 times. Although, what I've recently learned about FOIL requests makes me question Mr. Ray not having the info, yet.
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    There are several sources (both print and video) that we linked here that proved that the family attorney asked that the ME keep her remains to run further testing. There was never any mention of the family paying for independent examinations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysterymom7 View Post
    I think the part that begins the confusion is "the medical examiner's decision", I believe that "decision" was referring to the "inconclusive" rather than the "decision" of not releasing the body. That confusion continues with Mr. Ray's statements. If you're assuming it was the ME's decision to withhold the body, then the train of thought with JRs comment is that, "If they would just turn over the report, they could get the body." Knowing that it is about the lack of funds, I read Mr. Ray's statement differently. Now I read it is that he requested from the ME the report... 3 times. Although, what I've recently learned about FOIL requests makes me question Mr. Ray not having the info, yet.
    The title of the article is "Frustrated Family Seeks Shannan Gilbert's Remains."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    There are several sources (both print and video) that we linked here that proved that the family attorney asked that the ME keep her remains to run further testing. There was never any mention of the family paying for independent examinations.
    Apparently that further testing has never been done by the ME. I wonder why. And the testing of the clothing and articles found around the body would be tested by a crime lab associated with the police department, not a ME's office, wouldn't it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seajay View Post
    The title of the article is "Frustrated Family Seeks Shannan Gilbert's Remains."
    I didn't see that. Thanks!

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    Something doesn't smell right. The attached story speaks for itself. I am surprised that some retired pathologist like Michael Baden hasn't offered his services at a discount. The publicity alone should net him enough money to keep him happy.

    Why doesn't Ray pay for the autopsy as an office expense and deduct it from any awards he may get if his charges are proven to be true? Most well heeled lawyers would do that if they see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

    Imagine the publicity if another pathologist disagrees with the assessment of the ME? It would put the system back a 100 years.

    Why doesn't Suffolk County say enough is enough. Why don't they say if you don't want the body then we will bury it in Potter's Field. I don't think they will be criticized if they did that. What are they going to do, wait 10 years before they dispose of the body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    There are several sources (both print and video) that we linked here that proved that the family attorney asked that the ME keep her remains to run further testing. There was never any mention of the family paying for independent examinations.
    I was under the impression that the ME was holding the body indefinitely without justification (or atleast justification released to MG or us). I knew they wanted additional testing done; I thought they were unable to get the testing done because the ME would not realease the body.

    So, from what I gather now......MG pretty much said "hang onto my dead daughter for me, I gotta get some money together so I can have another autopsy done." I am sorry but that is rediculous....any parents here? Any parents here that would do this? If MG didn't have the money or have atleast made some headway in getting it together by now....I question the motivation. I would have buried my child (God forbid I ever have to do that), instead of leaving her in a drawer for 6 months. Sorry for being blunt, but its the truth. If the lawyer really belived in this case.....don't you think he would have fronted the money already? Maybe it helps him to drag it out as well; keeps his name popping up in the paper every few months.

    I am extremely dissappointed in myself for not having an issue so big (to me atleast) inaccurate. I was very upset that the ME would not release the body (or the lie I believed) and it drove me to try and help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkshaw View Post
    Something doesn't smell right. The attached story speaks for itself. I am surprised that some retired pathologist like Michael Baden hasn't offered his services at a discount. The publicity alone should net him enough money to keep him happy.

    Why doesn't Ray pay for the autopsy as an office expense and deduct it from any awards he may get if his charges are proven to be true? Most well heeled lawyers would do that if they see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

    Imagine the publicity if another pathologist disagrees with the assessment of the ME? It would put the system back a 100 years.

    Why doesn't Suffolk County say enough is enough. Why don't they say if you don't want the body then we will bury it in Potter's Field. I don't think they will be criticized if they did that. What are they going to do, wait 10 years before they dispose of the body?
    I agree very strongly with you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    I agree very strongly with you.
    Same here. That's why I'm seriously questioning Mr. Ray in all this. I'm a mother, and God forbid my child be where SG is, I would want to bury my child, but I would want the truth first. To have to dig up my child's grave and bury her again... I wouldn't want that pain twice.

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    I question MG more than JR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    I question MG more than JR.
    Part of me just wants to think that grief is clouding her judgement. Part of me thinks otherwise. Something just dosent feel right. If I was murdered I think my family would bury me as quickly as they could ... I doubt they would let me lay in a drawer for 10 months.

    If she can't afford a funeral for Shannan there are funeral homes that will work with the family to come up with something reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    ....MG pretty much said "hang onto my dead daughter for me, I gotta get some money together so I can have another autopsy done."
    I'd almost suspect there's got to be a reason behind it. Maybe, for instance, the Gilbert camp is afraid that if they take possession of the body and then conduct an autopsy that reaches different conclusions than what's been found so far, that they'll be accused of tampering with the body in order to reach those conclusions. In other words, that as long as LE has the body, LE can't dispute what another autopsy might find.

    The idea that they haven't been able to raise the money for an autopsy is preposterous, I wouldn't believe that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    I agree very strongly with you.
    I strongly agree with both of you!!!!

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