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    Unhappy CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #12


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    From the Wesminster Police Department Facebook page

    "The FBI has been able to rule out the Wyoming abductor in our case."


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    CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #12

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    3000 people attend memorial for Jessica
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    I have not seen the memorial service or heard the minister's words but I wonder if LE asked him to say anything in particular during the service.....something that might in some way "Speak" to the perp? Bizarre...but it could happen.

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    Not too long ago Dateline NBC was doing a series on their sunday show where they filmed kids. One was younger kids being approached by strangers (all staged and perfectly safe) and the parents were able to see how they reacted. I watched some of it, was very interesting as you can imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagofa13 View Post
    Not too long ago Dateline NBC was doing a series on their sunday show where they filmed kids. One was younger kids being approached by strangers (all staged and perfectly safe) and the parents were able to see how they reacted. I watched some of it, was very interesting as you can imagine.

    http://insidedateline.nbcnews.com/_n...er-danger?lite
    I have watched some of those specials. It is shocking. Parents were shocked too at how easily their Child was lured despite what they have been told.
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    "Just a random thought in the education of children (and adults) regarding abduction. It was years ago on a talk show an expert was discussing what to teach your children. My point being he really emphasized that Children need to know even if a knife is in their back or a gun pointed they need to run and make noise. Odds are the perp is going to take off. He really hammered home that once a perp gets you to a secondary location your chances of survival are slim to none. Not to let the fear of being shot or stabbed be your biggest fear. I dont hear that often today then again perhaps i miss it. I dont have a link as it was so long ago I dont even remember the mans name. I just thought it was an excellent point to instill aside from the usual. "

    Bravo's post brought over from last thread, because I couldn't agree more, and it's good to see this reiterated!
    I too remember hearing to NEVER go with a perpetrator. Just do not go. Fight the being taken from the spot they approach you with all your might! Even the gun they may be wielding they are not likely to use in the spot where they are trying to take you, as it is too risky and not their primary goal.

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    Apologies if I am repeating the thoughts of others in previous posts. These threads are growing faster than I can read them. But I have some thoughts on this case. Not sure if they're useful, but I can't help thinking about this poor little girl and how much I want them to catch the evil, vile creature that perpetrated this hideous crime.

    Theories:

    The Placement of the Backpack:

    1. Searches were being conducted of vehicles in the vicinity of JR’s neighbourhood in the days after her disappearance. The perpetrator has the backpack in his vehicle, fears detection, takes a detour and discards the backpack outside the first dark house (occupants admitted they were out on the night the backpack was dropped - until after midnight). That being the case, the Perpetrator is likely a local.
    2. It was as Nursebeeme suggested, a diversion as searches started to focus near to where JR’s body was finally found. Perpretrator may, or may not be a local.
    3. It was simply a brazen “statement” to LE. Perpretrator may, or may not be a local.

    Street and location names as a “message” to LE:

    I apply Occam’s Razor here. I do not put any credence into the notion that street names “Alpha” and “Andrew”, or a location named “Superior” were strategically selected by the perpetrator. Personally, I think any link being proposed between these names is very thin, and find the notion of the perpetrator sending messages in this manner is a long stretch. No offence to others, I just don't see it.

    Location of JR’s body:

    If JR’s body was lying in such an exposed location, beside a roadside, in an area near to one of the focuses of searches, how was it not discovered earlier? Helicopters were scouring open spaces for several days prior to her discovery, eventually by trash collectors from the road.

    1. She was not placed there until near to the time of discovery.
    2. She was placed in the culvert, and was subsequently moved by animals.
    3. She was placed there, but animals made her location more obvious, by tearing at a garbage bag for instance.

    What was the state of decomposition of her body? This would obviously help to pinpoint time of death and help narrow down timeframes to trigger witness accounts. What could hinder these calculations is lack of knowledge of how long her body had been exposed to elements that accelerate or hinder decomposition.

    I imagine they could also analyse the state of digestion of the Granola Bar JR had for breakfast the morning of her disappearance. Could this be used to determine time of death? If little digestion had occurred, at least her ordeal was relatively short. If fully digested, would this indicate that she was alive for some time? Or does the body continue to digest post-mortem.

    JR’s body “not intact”:

    Personally, I feel any “dismemberment” if indeed it was undertaken by the perpetrator, was not to delay identification, rather to eliminate key DNA evidence (e.g. under fingernails, or in teeth, if JR fought as I imagine she did – brave, smart girl that she was).

    Nailing down key times at key locations:

    The more data LE can collate to determine times of travel in key locations, the better chance they have of picking up patterns of data linkage.

    Windows of opportunity include:

    1. Time leading up to the abduction in Winchester
    2. Time of the abduction in Winchester
    3. Time of the backpack drop in Superior
    4. Time her body was left in Pattridge Park

    Nailing down these times will assist with:

    1. Analysing CCTV footage from traffic monitoring cameras and businesses in feeder streets, and on major thoroughfares. If no movement is found from external locations, it would support the notion of a “local” perpetrator.
    2. Analysing Phone Tower Pings that are present in the key locations and timeslots above.
    3. Narrowing down witness reports and tips based upon the perpetrator’s likely movements

    Will be interesting to see if the CIA’s Linked Data analysis helps lead to an arrest. I’d like to think they can, they should have a *lot* of data. How good is the perpetrator at covering ALL tracks? It remains to be seen...

    I hope he has slipped up, and this pathetic vermin is off our streets – sooner rather than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavya01 View Post
    "Just a random thought in the education of children (and adults) regarding abduction. It was years ago on a talk show an expert was discussing what to teach your children. My point being he really emphasized that Children need to know even if a knife is in their back or a gun pointed they need to run and make noise. Odds are the perp is going to take off. He really hammered home that once a perp gets you to a secondary location your chances of survival are slim to none. Not to let the fear of being shot or stabbed be your biggest fear. I dont hear that often today then again perhaps i miss it. I dont have a link as it was so long ago I dont even remember the mans name. I just thought it was an excellent point to instill aside from the usual. "

    Bravo's post brought over from last thread, because I couldn't agree more, and it's good to see this reiterated!
    I too remember hearing to NEVER go with a perpetrator. Just do not go. Fight the being taken from the spot they approach you with all your might! Even the gun they may be wielding they are not likely to use in the spot where they are trying to take you, as it is too risky and not their primary goal.

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    Gavin de Becker really stresses this in Protecting the Gift (the companion book for The Gift of Fear). Follow your instincts and NEVER go willingly - that's what the perps want is a nice, compliant victim that doesn't cause a scene at the time of the abduction. Bite, kick, scream. Anything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by belimom View Post
    Gavin de Becker really stresses this in Protecting the Gift (the companion book for The Gift of Fear). Follow your instincts and NEVER go willingly - that's what the perps want is a nice, compliant victim that doesn't cause a scene at the time of the abduction. Bite, kick, scream. Anything...
    Thank You. That's who the man was I had heard on whatever talk show it was.
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    When I heard the minister say that "Jess had won" (it bothered me too when he said that), but I think it was a message directly to the perpetrator that he is the loser and that Jessica is the winner and it is true, look at how many people love her and celebrate her.

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