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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    And Pamela Smart.
    How did I forget Pamela Smart. She got her "boyfriend" William Flynn to kill her husband Gregory Smart. Flynn got Patrick Randall, Vance Lattime Jr., and Raymond Fowler involved. Smart is similar to Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave that she had a relationship with an adolescent from school. Smart was a media coordinator. She is a narcissistic psychopath and immature like Casey Anthony, Lori Drew, and Jerry Sandusky.

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Smart"]Pamela Smart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]




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    I read about half the wikipedia article and then had to skim the rest. I almost choked when it said at the bottom that one of the other daughters, Stephanie, changed her name and was a school teacher? How does that happen? I wonder if they meant Paula (who works/worked for a school).

    Horrifying story. Makes you scared to send your kiddos to school.


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    Cool this is paula in recent years.

    She married JoHn Pace and moved to Marshalltown Iowa. Her husband left her after 33 years to take with someone he met on the internet. She has three sons. Two live locally to her and one lives in California.
    She has been suspended from duties and the school board is meeting to decide on further action. It is unlikely she will be reinstated.
    She loves to hunt as you can see by the picture.
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    I remember this well. I passed by that house on my way to the grocery store that night. It was an older mostly quiet neighborhood. There were lots of flashing lights on police cars and two lanes of the one way street was blocked to traffic. The next morning my jaw dropped as i read about the abusive murder that occurred there. months later I was shocked at how they were only given life sentences, which were later overturned by the SC. New trials it seemed only allowed this scum to get away with murder. I had thought perhaps Paula was dead because almost all of the other participants had died. Now I find out she is working in a school!!! The son John I read is a preacher of some sort in Texas but that might have changed since i read it. As for the other two boys who went to prison along with her son John they died painful early deaths of cancer. As for Paula she is past 62 so she can now live out her life with her social security check. We can only hope that she has a painful death also.


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    At least she is out of the school now. Amazing how a person can change their name and their criminal past just seems to disappear. So she wasn't truthful on her resume but shouldn't the school have checked her out?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jubillee View Post
    She married JoHn Pace and moved to Marshalltown Iowa. Her husband left her after 33 years to take with someone he met on the internet. She has three sons. Two live locally to her and one lives in California.
    She has been suspended from duties and the school board is meeting to decide on further action. It is unlikely she will be reinstated.
    She loves to hunt as you can see by the picture.
    She looks virtually the same to me. I wonder how her sons are feeling about now...
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    baby

    She was pregnant when arrested and named the baby girl Gertrude after her mother. The name was changed by her adoptive parents. That says a lot actually.

    This must undoubtedly be causing a lot of stress to her family.
    She has daughter-in-laws and grandchildren who would most likely not
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    I wonder about Gertrude Baniszewski's childhood. I know she was close to her father, but not so with her mother. She is from a large family and is the middle child out of six children. I wonder about her relationship with her siblings. Was she abused or her parents religious?




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    Quote Originally Posted by jubillee View Post
    She was pregnant when arrested and named the baby girl Gertrude after her mother. The name was changed by her adoptive parents. That says a lot actually.

    This must undoubtedly be causing a lot of stress to her family.
    She has daughter-in-laws and grandchildren who would most likely not
    have known even if the sons did.

    Wow where are you finding all this information. I wonder how much she thought about her pasted all these years....I also wonder if she is still in touch with her brother and sister.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HMSHood View Post
    I wonder about Gertrude Baniszewski's childhood. I know she was close to her father, but not so with her mother. She is from a large family and is the middle child out of six children. I wonder about her relationship with her siblings. Was she abused or her parents religious?
    I remember at the time of her trial her attorney introduced evidence as to her abusive marriage but not her childhood that I can remember. She was obviously depressed and overwhelmed with the care of her children with hardly any financial support from her ex husband. This was before child support laws went into effect. She was on welfare I think, if I remember correctly. Both Paula and Gertrude should have spent the rest of their lives in prison but in new trials they were given lighter sentences. Paula only served a few years. She deserves to never have a minute of peace for her participation in the murder of an innocent child. Too bad if her sons, grandchildren and the public know about her horrendous crime, by not paying in prison she will have to pay in other ways. JMO


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    Gertrude moved in with Paula in Iowa after she was released. I think this shows that she was still close to her mother after everything that happened.
    This makes me wonder if she ever felt what they did was wrong


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    family time

    How does she explain all of this to her family..
    And did her ex-husband know who she was? He must have
    if Gertrude lived with them although she went by the name of Nadine
    Van Fossen as did Paula until her marriage to John Pace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jubillee View Post
    How does she explain all of this to her family..
    And did her ex-husband know who she was? He must have
    if Gertrude lived with them although she went by the name of Nadine
    Van Fossen as did Paula until her marriage to John Pace.
    I'll bet none of them knew and this was her dirty little secret. You know family members will look it up on the web. I cannot imagine how they will feel and react. I was absolutely horrified. Still am.


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    Wow check this out.....hope this is allowed it was in the paper. Guess we know some of the names now.

    Born in Indianapolis, Indiana, he was the son of John S., Sr. and Mary Blake of Mt. Vernon, Indiana. He was retired on disability. John was a member of the New Life Assembly of God Church in Lancaster. He served as the Director of Men s Ministry and was actively involved in various church activities. His greatest joy was his Grandchildren.

    Surviving besides his wife and parents are 3 sisters: Paula, wife of John Pace of Iowa, Stephanie, wife of Kenneth Serikistad of Florida and Marie Shelton of Indiana and a brother: James Blake of New York.

    Read more: http://lancasteronline.com/obituarie...#ixzz2AN0M5giG
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