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    Exclamation CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #18


    http://www.9news.com/news/article/29...stminster-girl

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    Quote Originally Posted by nursebeeme View Post
    Continue the discussion here:

    The Latest:

    Police release pictures of a cross that may be related to Jessica's case as well as the case in May. Read more and see pictures of the cross here:
    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/jessica-ridgeway/police-say-wooden-cross-may-belong-to-jessica-ridgeways-killer-need-help-identifying-it
    http://www.kctv5.com/story/19867106/recovered-cross-possible-pivotal-piece-in-jessica-ridgeway-investigation
    http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/19/wooden-cross-could-provide-break-in-ridgeway-case/

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    New Thread - everyone, please take a minute to review the rules and etiquitte right here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=159"]The Rules - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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    In case any of you missed it this was posted on the Westminster PD Facebook Page

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    Westminster Police have definitively made a connection between the Ketner lake incident and the Jessica Ridgeway murder. We cannot go into details about the connection to preserve the integrity of the case.
    http://www.facebook.com/westminsterp...51362522364305

    Westminster PD
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    We can also say that there were receipts collected during the investigation. We can say that they were NOT found at Patridge Park and are not related to the Jessica Ridgeway investigation. Investigators were at King Soopers, however they were following up on several other tips.
    http://www.facebook.com/westminsterp...51362526459305

    Westminster PD
    12 hours ago
    We want to assure the public that their safety is our number one priority! If there is information which directly relates to public safety, we will get that information out to you through our social media sites and the news stations. Please understand that we are working diligently to bring this predator to justice, and sometimes information will not be released to protect the integrity of the investigation and the future prosecution. Again, our entire communities safety is our number one priority.
    http://www.facebook.com/westminsterp...51362531044305

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    Exclamation Timeline with area, date, specifics, and MSM link for each attempted abduction

    Below is a documented and sourced by me timeline of sorts of all the attempted abductions within the last 18 months in this particular area of Colorado.

    October 23, 2012-
    Arvada- A young girl was approached while on her way to school by a male in a red sedan telling her to get in the car.
    http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...pted-abduction

    October 22, 2012-
    Arvada- An 8yo girl attempted abduction at school bus stop.
    http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...pted-abduction

    October 19, 2012-
    Colorado Springs- Police said the child was walking in the parking lot of The Classical Academy school at 975 Stout Road when a man in a truck asked him to help find a lost puppy.

    The boy said the middle-aged man was sitting in a brown, rusty, full-sized truck, possibly a Ford. The man never exited the truck or approached the child. The incident happened around 12:45 p.m.
    http://www.krdo.com/news/Police-sear...z/-/index.html

    October 17 2012-
    LITTLETON, Colo.—A 14-year-old boy walking home from a friend's house has told authorities a man tried to pull him toward a car before he could run away.
    http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_21796731

    October 16 2012-
    Aurora- A woman is approached in a bar parking lot and a perp attempted to place a chemical soaked rag over her mouth.she was able to escape and full attempt caught on video.(2 perps)

    October 5 2012-
    Westminster- Jessica Ridgeway abducted on her way to school.

    September 14 2012-
    Colorado Springs- The first happened in the 7700 block of Fountain Mesa Road when a child was walking home from school, according to police. The child told police a black man in a grey pick up truck stopped and told the child to get into the truck. The child ran away.
    http://www.krdo.com/news/Fountain-Po...5/-/index.html

    September 14 2012-
    Colorado Springs- The second incident happened near Fountain Middle School as a child was walking home from school. Police say, in this case, the child reported being followed by an older white pick up truck. When the child got out a cell phone to make a call the truck drove away.
    http://www.krdo.com/news/Fountain-Po...5/-/index.html

    September 12 2012-
    Arvada- An elementary school student reported someone attempting to entice him into a car with candy around 5:40 p.m. on Wednesday, in front of Fitzmorris Elementary School at 62nd Avenue and Independence Street.
    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...tranger-danger

    September 10 2012-
    El Paso county- A 12-year-old boy managed to escape a possible kidnapper early Monday morning.

    According to Lt. Jeff Kramer with the El Paso County Sheriff's Office, the boy was on Cabellero Avenue near Grand Peak in Security-Widefield around 6:40 a.m. when an man approached him and tried to make the boy get in his car.

    The boy was able to get away, and was unharmed in the attempted abduction. Kramer says that the boy didn't see a gun, but that the suspect implied that he had one. The Sheriff's Office is treating the case as though the suspect did have a gun.
    http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/M...tml?mobile=yes

    September 9 2012-
    Arvada- According to Arvada police, around 5:30 p.m. on Sunday, a child was walking near Quaker Acres Park, near 74th Place and Terry Court, when someone tried to entice the child into a car with candy.
    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...tranger-danger

    May 28 2012-
    Westminster- A 22yo jogger is grabbed from behind and chemical soaked rag attempted to be placed over her mouth. She was able to fight him off and call 911
    **this is the case definitively linked to Jessica Ridgeway case per WPD**
    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...r-lake-attacks

    January 20 2012-
    Colorado City- ACTUAL ABDUCTION
    9yo girl abducted but able to escape when car broke down. Suffered injuries but alive. Garcia arrested for abduction.
    http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19782469

    October 5 2011-
    Aurora- A 13yo girl on her way to school in Aurora, Co was approached and perp attempted to get her into his car.sketch also at link..
    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...ated-in-aurora

    August 12 2011-
    Pueblo- Police say the woman didn't notice the man in her mini-van when she pulled out of the parking lot. She heard a noise inside, turned around and saw the man climbing over the seats coming toward her. The 24 year old jumped out of the van while it was in gear. The van, with the man inside, crashed into a tree at 1st and Union.
    http://www.koaa.com/news/pueblo-woma...eing-abducted/

    July 5 2011-
    Colorado Springs- It happened in the carmel middle school area, that's near Fountain Blvd. and Chelton Rd.

    Police say he pulled up to the 9yo girl who was waiting for an ice cream truck and asked her if she wanted him to expose himself.

    When the girl said no, the man offered her a dollar.
    http://www.koaa.com/news/police-sear...-a-young-girl/
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    CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #18

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    http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...00-DNA-samples

    Investigators selected people for DNA samples based on a variety of factors, 9Wants to Know learned and Materasso confirmed.

    Investigators asked for DNA from the following groups:

    People who members of the public said should be considered suspects in Ridgeway's killing.
    People identified through information gathered when police canvassed neighborhoods near her house and where her backpack was discovered.
    People whose cellphones were used in areas near the crime scene.
    People who matched the description of a man who tried to grab a woman as she was running around Ketner Lake in Westminster.

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    I'm afraid the perp may be getting rather cocky and seeing it now as a game between him and LE, since they have confirmed the link between the May incident and Jessica - and are vowing to keep the public safe. The perp may be one who flees to another state, or one who loves this game of cat-and-mouse.

    If I lived in the area, I would be not let my children go anywhere without a trusted adult present. And would be careful myself.
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    Has anyone else noticed the Google Maps street view image of a black truck parked across the street and down a little from Jessica's house? Oddly, there appears to be a woman jogging in the background. You can see her on the sidewalk between the truck and the homes on the west side of the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elley Mae View Post
    http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...00-DNA-samples

    Investigators selected people for DNA samples based on a variety of factors, 9Wants to Know learned and Materasso confirmed.

    Investigators asked for DNA from the following groups:

    People who members of the public said should be considered suspects in Ridgeway's killing.
    People identified through information gathered when police canvassed neighborhoods near her house and where her backpack was discovered.
    People whose cellphones were used in areas near the crime scene.
    People who matched the description of a man who tried to grab a woman as she was running around Ketner Lake in Westminster.
    I don't ever remember DNA being taken for this many people before (500). Does anyone know if this has been done previously?

    (I mistyped "previously" at first, and one of the autocorrect suggestions I was given was "perviously"! I didn't even know that was a word! Although I suppose it really has to do with permeability, not being a perv.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Etilema View Post
    I don't ever remember DNA being taken for this many people before (500). Does anyone know if this has been done previously?

    (I mistyped "previously" at first, and one of the autocorrect suggestions I was given was "perviously"! I didn't even know that was a word! Although I suppose it really has to do with permeability, not being a perv.)

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    the BTK case was the first one that came to my mind... (1300 swabs were destroyed after he was arrested... they used this same technique in that investigation)
    http://www.monnat.com/2006/05/31/130...k-case-burned/


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    GMA just showed parts of this case. I can't find it online yet. Basically talking about the link between the 2 cases.

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    I guess I would be presumed as guilty for not complying to DNA swab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elley Mae View Post
    http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...00-DNA-samples

    Investigators selected people for DNA samples based on a variety of factors, 9Wants to Know learned and Materasso confirmed.

    Investigators asked for DNA from the following groups:

    People who members of the public said should be considered suspects in Ridgeway's killing.
    People identified through information gathered when police canvassed neighborhoods near her house and where her backpack was discovered.
    People whose cellphones were used in areas near the crime scene.
    People who matched the description of a man who tried to grab a woman as she was running around Ketner Lake in Westminster.
    I'm guessing they have dna from the crime and the perp isn't in the system. LE is going all the way to get this creep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Etilema View Post
    I don't ever remember DNA being taken for this many people before (500). Does anyone know if this has been done previously?

    (I mistyped "previously" at first, and one of the autocorrect suggestions I was given was "perviously"! I didn't even know that was a word! Although I suppose it really has to do with permeability, not being a perv.)

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    A google search turned up many cases where this was done. I didn't know either. I found this very interesting. I'm sure it's already been discussed here, but I missed it. In case others missed it to:

    "In contrast to traditional methods, familial searching methods extend beyond the individual DNA profiles to identify individuals whose relatives could have left key crime scene evidence. There are several methods available, some focusing on male relatives. For example Y chromosome profiles are shared amongst all male relatives related to one another through the fatherís bloodline. Therefore a volunteerís DNA might not match the crime scene evidence, but it could be close enough to implicate a relative - like a son, a brother or nephew.

    Familial searching magnifies the power of law enforcement. A DNA dragnet of a few hundred Cape Cod males could effectively include, indirectly, several hundred more of their biological relatives. So even if no direct DNA matches are found to the volunteers, all is not lost. In fact, searching for close matches between crime scene evidence and common Y chromosome markers would be far more effective than hoping for a complete direct DNA match using traditional forensic profiling methods. Thus, paradoxically, with familial searching methods, certain indirect DNA matches could provide useful clues about possible relatives who would potentially be much more viable as suspects than the volunteers themselves."

    http://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-even...formed-consent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Etilema View Post
    I don't ever remember DNA being taken for this many people before (500). Does anyone know if this has been done previously?

    (I mistyped "previously" at first, and one of the autocorrect suggestions I was given was "perviously"! I didn't even know that was a word! Although I suppose it really has to do with permeability, not being a perv.)

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    I don't have names or links, but yes it's been done. There was a case in a coastal town in the Northeast, who's entire male population was DNA'd. I believe there was a serial killer in Louisiana where LE took hundreds of samples as well.

    This is just using your post to bounce off of....Someone else was posting in the other thread about familial DNA and the Grim Sleeper. I believe this is also used in known suspected perps. They go directly to family members and get DNA from them. BTK's daughter did this for LE.

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