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    A Dream

    Does anyone else have dreams about Jon Benet?

    I had one for the first time last night. It is probably because I have been reading Steves book.
    In my dream Jon Benet was in bed and she had blond hair but it was only chin length. I walked in the bed room and started walking towards her and she looked scared. A little white dog was in the room with her at it had a bandage over it's ear. She said "Oh no! stay away, stay away. I am being a good girl now." I said "I'm not going to hurt you." then she said "I was such a bad girl and mommy got so mad, she just couldn't help it." The whole time she seemed afraid.
    That was all. When I woke up I was really upset.

    Anyone else ever have dreams like this?

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    The dream is about you and/or your unconscious, not the Ramsey case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherMoon
    The dream is about you and/or your unconscious, not the Ramsey case.
    I agree. I don't think that Jon Benet was "speaking to me from beyond the grave" or anything. I just wondered if anyone has dreams like this as a result of reading or thinking so much about the case.

    When I got to work I remembered that a co-worker had shown me a picture last week of her black lab with a bandage on his ear - I am sure that is were the dog in the dream came from.

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    Dreams Mental Digestion of Impressions

    Your mind was just filing away the impressions you'd collected, like a defrag, sort of, I guess.

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    My Dream

    I'm an incredibly deep sleeper and I don't usually remember my dreams but I did have one - a few years ago which I can recall because I posted about it at the time.

    I was in Charlevoix and I was walking along the sea front (I have no idea what Charlevoix actually looks like BTW). There were nice shops and then I bumped into Patsy ramsey and JonBenet. Patsy asked me if I'd like to go back to theirs for a coffee and I accepted. We walked along the shops until we came to a mall and then we went into the mall. The first shop on the left hand side sold haberdashery and I got excited by that :-) However, we walked towards the back of the mall where there was a double door. We went through the door and there was a flight of stairs with Charles Rennie mackintosh style railings. Up the stairs and we came to a door which was their house. Inside was dark and Patsy said she'd go and put the kettle on. JonBenet asked me if I'd like to see her pageant costumes and I said yes. She took me into her bedroom and there was a free standing wardrobe with a box on top. She asked me to reach this own for her which I did. Then we took the box into another little bedroom where she opened it. The pageant costume was white - like a First Communion type dress. A phone was ringing and Patsy answered it. It was her mother. That's all I remember. Incidentally, the house that was the Ramsey house in my dream was a cross between my aunt's flat and my old dancing teacher's flat (a flat is an apartment here). The rooms were small and the internal doors had windows above them to let light into the hallway.

    I'd be interested to have it interpreted.
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    Cool dreams

    I haven't had a JonBenet dream yet, but I do want to say dreams have more than one level/interpretation. BroMoon is on track with his post, but there is also the literal level to consider. Dreams are your inner self telling you things in story form to get you to pay attention, see what's being said and shown, and use the wise material to continue to grow and reach wholeness. Your inner self wants you to be complete. Have you ever had a dream, then the next night you had another one that was more colorful and insistent, then another one after a few days that became a bit scary, then another that was real scary? No, they aren't usually about the same things, but the group of dreams are trying to get you to know something. If you're dopey and don't try to understand, the inner self gets a little rough with you - thus the scary dream. I can't tell you how many times I've been lazy and didn't think about my dream only to be hit over the head with the next one. Then I'm in that "OK, I get it" mode.

    Sorry, I know this isn't a psych thread in particular, but just thought I'd spew stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles
    I'm an incredibly deep sleeper and I don't usually remember my dreams but I did have one - a few years ago which I can recall because I posted about it at the time.

    I was in Charlevoix and I was walking along the sea front (I have no idea what Charlevoix actually looks like BTW). There were nice shops and then I bumped into Patsy ramsey and JonBenet. Patsy asked me if I'd like to go back to theirs for a coffee and I accepted. We walked along the shops until we came to a mall and then we went into the mall. The first shop on the left hand side sold haberdashery and I got excited by that :-) However, we walked towards the back of the mall where there was a double door. We went through the door and there was a flight of stairs with Charles Rennie mackintosh style railings. Up the stairs and we came to a door which was their house. Inside was dark and Patsy said she'd go and put the kettle on. JonBenet asked me if I'd like to see her pageant costumes and I said yes. She took me into her bedroom and there was a free standing wardrobe with a box on top. She asked me to reach this own for her which I did. Then we took the box into another little bedroom where she opened it. The pageant costume was white - like a First Communion type dress. A phone was ringing and Patsy answered it. It was her mother. That's all I remember. Incidentally, the house that was the Ramsey house in my dream was a cross between my aunt's flat and my old dancing teacher's flat (a flat is an apartment here). The rooms were small and the internal doors had windows above them to let light into the hallway.

    I'd be interested to have it interpreted.
    Sea front is in between land and sea, symbolic of the ego between consciousness and the unconscious. The double female image of Patsy and Jonbenet refers to your shadow persona; a major and minor function of the psyche (we have four, and usually rely on one major and one secondary). Or this is adult and child archetypes. Your shadow invited you in to the unconscious. Left is the unconscious. Down is toward the instincts and energy, up is toward form and structure. Putting the kettle on is symbolic of libido potential; content coming form the unconscious. Clothes are the persona, social identity. White is purity, innocence, this is an image of the child archetype. The phone ring is a message from the unconscious, like from a bird or angel. Patsy gets the message from the archetypal mother while you get an image from the archetypal child.
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    Nicely done, BroMoon

    If anyone wants to know more about dream symbols, a good beginning is in the THE HERDER DICTIONARY OF SYMBOLS and MAN AND HIS SYMBOLS, the latter being originally written by Carl G. Jung - edited by others.
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    The meaning of dream content can't be pinned down exactly, and an absolutist approach should be avoided. Dreams should be used as source material for amplification with a competent analyst. The dream can be used to study archetypal, personal and social material. Be careful when trying to draw conclusions about outer events from a dream. Think in terms of possibilities more than actualities. Final conclusions are drawn by a conscious moral personality, the interpretation is ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherMoon
    Sea front is in between land and sea, symbolic of the ego between consciusness and the unconscious. The double female image of Patsy and Jonbenet refers to your shadow persona; a major and minor function of the psyche (we have four, and usually rely on one major and one secondary). Or this is adult and child archetypes. Your shadow invited you in to the unconscious. Left is the unconscious. Down is toward the instincts and energy, up is toward form and structure. Putting the kettle on is symbolic of libido potential; content coming form the unconscious. Clothes are the persona, social identity. White is purity, innocence, this is an image of the child archetype. The phone ring is a message from the unconscious, like from a bird or angel. Patsy gets the message from the archetypal mother while you get an image from the archetypal child.
    LOL. Never mind all this archetypal stuff - what does it mean in plain English?

    When I returned from maternity leave I had a bit of a nightmare. I dreamt that my boss came to see me and informed me that I had to teach German to a junior class. I felt panic-stricken because I don't understand much German. In my dream I protested but my boss told me it would be OK - that I only needed to be "one lesson ahead" of the class I was teaching and so I could learn it as I was going along. So I prepared a lesson and when I went into the class to teach it - lo and behold instead of a normal sized class, there was an entire lecture theatre filled with all the pupils in our school. If that wasn't bad enough, I looked down to the left and there was a boy who spoke fluent german so I broke into a sweat because I knew that HE would know I was a fraud. My mouth opened and shut a few times as I braced myself to start this lesson when suddenly there was a shout from some pupils and it was one of my regular classes. They had found a baby owl underneath the desk. All of the pupils were so distracted by the baby owl that my skin was saved from giving the dreaded lesson!

    This was such a vivid dream and I couldn't resist telling my class about it. They thought this was hilariously funny and after that I called them my baby owls. At the end of the year, they presented me with a little Beanie Baby owl :-)

    One day I got into conversation with a German teacher in the staff room and she told me that my dream represented my lack of confidence at returning to work after my maternity leave and that the baby owl was my baby daughter and that since it saved my bacon - it represented how much I appreciated having her! I don't know if this was a decent interpretation of the dream, but I kind of liked it anyway!
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    Jayelles

    That interpretation goes a long way in the interpretation. Deal is, if you had those books I mentioned, you could see what the symbols in your dream might mean. You see, the baby owl, the assignment to teach a class about something you didn't know, the BOY who knew fluent german, the fact you spell german with a small g, the description of your mouth opening and shutting a few times, your pronouncement you knew the BOY was a fraud. These things are yield answers in symbology. Now, if you don't want to know anything about that, OK. Thing is, this symbology has been around since folks appeared on this earth. It is very meaningful. I think of it as the basic language that talks to me from the first person on this earth. This language describes primitive things, but those are the very things that can and will always influence who I am and what I understand about living. Older people seem to get this sooner than the young...probably because the older generation isn't so busy with the present and can allow reflection and deep introspection. I guess I should send you a private message and tell you more about your dream. Not tonight, though. Or perhaps BroMoon will. He's good for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles
    LOL. Never mind all this archetypal stuff - what does it mean in plain English?
    The first dream means you can be informed by your inferior side.

    The owl can see in the dark. The dark side ain't all bad.

    We have anxiety about judgement, if we are moral (the boy who knew German).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia
    That interpretation goes a long way in the interpretation. Deal is, if you had those books I mentioned, you could see what the symbols in your dream might mean. You see, the baby owl, the assignment to teach a class about something you didn't know, the BOY who knew fluent german, the fact you spell german with a small g, the description of your mouth opening and shutting a few times, your pronouncement you knew the BOY was a fraud. These things are yield answers in symbology. Now, if you don't want to know anything about that, OK. Thing is, this symbology has been around since folks appeared on this earth. It is very meaningful. I think of it as the basic language that talks to me from the first person on this earth. This language describes primitive things, but those are the very things that can and will always influence who I am and what I understand about living. Older people seem to get this sooner than the young...probably because the older generation isn't so busy with the present and can allow reflection and deep introspection. I guess I should send you a private message and tell you more about your dream. Not tonight, though. Or perhaps BroMoon will. He's good for it.
    Just a couple of points - I often don't capitalise proper nouns. It's a typo. I type very quickly and frequently take my finger off the shift key too quickly. I notice the errors but don't correct them because typos aren't a big deal to me.

    Secondly - it was the boy who spoke fluent German who was going to know that I was the fraud - not me thinking that the boy was a fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherMoon
    The first dream means you can be informed by your inferior side.

    The owl can see in the dark. The dark side ain't all bad.

    We have anxiety about judgement, if we are moral (the boy who knew German).
    Inferior side? OK, I'm a left-side of brain person - good at maths, logical and practical. I am not creative and I lack imagination - these are the right side of the brain characteristics. I long to be creative but it's just not there. I cheat on the creative side by drawing from reality. My school essays were always factual. I can simulate creativity by copying, adapting or merging existing designs. I'm good at construction - but not at design.

    Is that what you mean by being informed by my inferior side?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles
    Inferior side? OK, I'm a left-side of brain person - good at maths, logical and practical. I am not creative and I lack imagination - these are the right side of the brain characteristics. I long to be creative but it's just not there. I cheat on the creative side by drawing from reality. My school essays were always factual. I can simulate creativity by copying, adapting or merging existing designs. I'm good at construction - but not at design.

    Is that what you mean by being informed by my inferior side?
    Not just that. It's more of a shadow thing, the unconscious side, the dark side, the repressed, forgotten or undiscovered side of your personality. This is a typical theme in the dreams and conscious concerns of adults that are entering middle age or advancing in maturity. You might want to read up on the Jungian shadow and temperament psychology. It sounds like you are an ISTJ or ESTJ, a thinking sensor. The creativity you long for would come through the inferior functions NF, intuitive feeling. "You" in terms of ego may not be creative, but you can participate with the creative process by dialoguing with the inner images.

    Your shadow is willing to share, the Patsy image makes a warm drink and the JonBenet image shows you a communion image, again sharing. The youth images are symbolic of potential, the potential in the shadow. These are positive dreams. The authority anxiety dream is a reminder that there is an authority (God, nature, the unconscious) and we should know about that before we profess.

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