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    FL - Davie, WhtFem 635UFFL, 14-20, white clogs, 'Give a Damn' panties - May'73

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    Petite Teen "White Clogs" Jane Doe, 14-20, found 21 May 1973 in Broward, Co, FL

    Unidentified White Female

    The victim was discovered on May 21, 1973 in Broward County, Florida

    Vital Statistics
    Estimated age: 14-20 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 4'6"; 95 lbs.
    Clothing: She was wearing "Wrangler" jeans that were cut off just above the ankle, a size 15 denim shirt, a pair of underwear with the words "Give a Damn" embroidered on the front and a pair of white clogs.

    Case History

    The victim was located in a drainage ditch along Nob Hill Road, just South of State Road 84, in unincorporated Broward County near Davie.

    The victim chewed pink bubble gum.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:

    Broward County Crime Stoppers
    954-493-TIPS
    866-493-TIPS (Toll Free)

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number: BS73-08-2432

    Source Information:
    Broward County Crime Stoppers
    The Doe Network: Case File 635UFFL

    LINK:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/635uffl.html
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    http://missingkids.com/missingkids/s...archLang=en_US

    13 year old girl from New York. The distance makes me wonder but the height and weight is close.

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    FL FL - Gail Joiner, 13, Thonotosassa, 22 Sept 1972 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    12 year old girl missing in Florida from September 1972. I can't find much as far as her description goes.
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    Here is the latest information on the Doenetwork regarding Gail Joiner:

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    Gail Lorraine Joiner
    Missing since September 22, 1972 from Thonotosassa, Hillsborough County, Florida
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: July 22, 1959
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5' 0"; 100 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde/brown hair; brown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her cheek and facial freckles.
    Clothing: jeans. No shoes.
    Dentals/DNA: Not available.

    Circumstances of Disappearance

    Joiner was last seen in Thonotosassa, Florida on September 22, 1972. It has been reported that she came home from school, ate a sandwich, then left home to walk her pet raccoon, Bandit, on a leash. Witnesses saw Joiner standing near a white car parked on the edge of a work area, but nobody saw her get in the vehicle.

    She has never been heard from again.

    Joiner moved to Florida from Michigan a few months before her disappearance. She has six siblings.

    A suspect (Gerald Stano) confessed to her murder and described the location of the remains, but a search could not locate her. The suspect recanted the confession but knew details only the killer would know.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

    Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office
    813-247-8000

    Agency Case Number: 72M00001

    Source Information

    Florida Department of Law Enforcement
    The Doe Network: Case File 2190DFFL

    LINK:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2190dffl.html

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    Was this girl murdered?

    Was that size 15 a child's size? I know there's been vanity sizing in the past couple of decades but 15 sounds huge for someone who only weighs 95 pounds. She would likely wear an adult size 0 today and that's only because of her height. If she was 6" taller, she'd probably wear a size 00.
    This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.


    Stan Reid

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    Aproximately 8 months and 225 Miles separate the disappearance of Gail Joiner and the discovery of this unidentified girl.

    Unfortunately, there is not a lot of information openly available on either case.

    Although there is a 6 inch "discrepancy" between listed heights, there might be enough similarity between these cases to warrant a closer look.

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    Men's shirt sizes are listed as neck size in inches followed by Arm length in inches for long sleeve shirts, for example 15 - 30.

    A Men's short sleeve dress shirt (which would close at the collar for a tie) is listed only as neck size. Example - 15.

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    Mary Anne Wesolowski, 13, Missing since August 18, 1971 from Glens Falls, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by DylansMom34 View Post
    http://missingkids.com/missingkids/s...archLang=en_US

    13 year old girl from New York. The distance makes me wonder but the height and weight is close.
    Here is the doenetwork file on Mary Anne...

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    Mary Anne Wesolowski, 13, Missing since August 18, 1971 from Glens Falls, NY

    Mary Anne Wesolowski
    Missing since August 18, 1971 from Glens Falls, Warren County, New York.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: June 24, 1958
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'6; 85 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown hair; blue eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Scar on the abdomen and chest.
    Clothing: Last seen wearing a white t-shirt, red and white shorts, and a black leather belt.
    Dentals: She has crooked teeth.

    Circumstances of Disappearance

    Wesolowski was last seen on her way to meet friends to go swimming at Haviland's Cove Beach, on the Hudson River, in Glens Falls, N.Y.

    Investigators
    If you have any information on Wesolowski's whereabouts, please contact:

    Glens Falls Police Department
    518-761-3840

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number: 5799-71

    NCMEC #: NCMC759895

    NCIC Number: M-212521590


    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:

    The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children
    New York State Police
    The Doe Network: Case File 79DFNY

    LINK:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/79dfny.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Men's shirt sizes are listed as neck size in inches followed by Arm length in inches for long sleeve shirts, for example 15 - 30.

    A Men's short sleeve dress shirt (which would close at the collar for a tie) is listed only as neck size. Example - 15.
    Ah yes, I didn't think of a a man's shirt on a woman. Women's blouses are usually bust size I believe so I would guess about a 32 for someone her height and weight.

    Is there any suspicion that this woman might have been a prostitute? It would seem that if you have a slogan on your panties that maybe you expected someone to see you undressing.
    This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.


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    I'm thinking the underwear might have something to do with anti-Vietnam/Republican party sentiment:

    http://www.ebay.ch/itm/ws/eBayISAPI....d=410495998173

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Give...-/110953835152


    http://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/m...gory_Code=28PM

    I could see myself thinking this was something "cool" to wear as a teenager. Interesting that it's actually embroidered - it looks drawn on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by annemc2 View Post
    I'm thinking the underwear might have something to do with anti-Vietnam/Republican party sentiment:

    http://www.ebay.ch/itm/ws/eBayISAPI....d=410495998173

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Give...-/110953835152


    http://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/m...gory_Code=28PM

    I could see myself thinking this was something "cool" to wear as a teenager. Interesting that it's actually embroidered - it looks drawn on.
    Give a Damn button, part of Urban League campaign, here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STANDREID View Post
    Was this girl murdered?

    Was that size 15 a child's size? I know there's been vanity sizing in the past couple of decades but 15 sounds huge for someone who only weighs 95 pounds. She would likely wear an adult size 0 today and that's only because of her height. If she was 6" taller, she'd probably wear a size 00.
    I think "size 15" must have been a child's size. When I was a kid in the 1980s, I has thought that children's clothing size went up to sizes 14 or 16 -- I really wish that I could remember more clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambercat View Post
    I think "size 15" must have been a child's size. When I was a kid in the 1980s, I has thought that children's clothing size went up to sizes 14 or 16 -- I really wish that I could remember more clearly.
    More likely it was a 15" neck, aka a men's size medium. Wearing a man's shirt as an oversize blouse or overshirt has been intermittently popular among teenage girls for decades, at least since the 50s.

    A youth large (boys') will say 14-16 on the tag but I've never seen 15 as a youth shirt size.

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    Is there no further description of this girl?
    Debora Sue Lowe - Age 13, missing from Pompano, FL since February 29, 1972 (Leap Year)
    Missing Child Haunts Family Nearly 40 Years Later - 9/19/2011
    White Female
    Hair: Brown
    Eyes: Brown
    Height: 56″
    Weight: 125 lbs
    Debbie is believed to have been a victim of the serial killer Gerard John Schaefer Jr. He was convicted of only two murders in the 1970s but is believed to be responsible for the murders and disappearances of many other girls and young women in the 60s and 70s, including Wendy Stevenson, Peggy Rahn ,Carmen Hallock, Pamela Nater and Nancy Leichner in 1966.


    • Everything I write is JMHO and NO OFFENSE is INTENDED

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    When Carlene Tengelsen disappeared from a Georgia mall in 1972 she was wearing a man's dress shirt. Not that I think these 2 cases are related, but it does show us that girls wearing men's dress shirts may have been common in the early 70s.

    http://websleuths.com/forums/showthr...lene+tengelsen

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