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Petite Teen "White Clogs" Jane Doe, 14-20, found 21 May 1973 in Broward, Co, FL

Unidentified White Female

The victim was discovered on May 21, 1973 in Broward County, Florida

Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 14-20 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'6"; 95 lbs.
Clothing: She was wearing "Wrangler" jeans that were cut off just above the ankle, a size 15 denim shirt, a pair of underwear with the words "Give a Damn" embroidered on the front and a pair of white clogs.

Case History

The victim was located in a drainage ditch along Nob Hill Road, just South of State Road 84, in unincorporated Broward County near Davie.

The victim chewed pink bubble gum.

Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:

Broward County Crime Stoppers
954-493-TIPS
866-493-TIPS (Toll Free)

You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

Agency Case Number: BS73-08-2432

Source Information:
Broward County Crime Stoppers
The Doe Network: Case File 635UFFL

LINK:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/635uffl.html
 
Here is the latest information on the Doenetwork regarding Gail Joiner:

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Gail Lorraine Joiner
Missing since September 22, 1972 from Thonotosassa, Hillsborough County, Florida
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: July 22, 1959
Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5' 0"; 100 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde/brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her cheek and facial freckles.
Clothing: jeans. No shoes.
Dentals/DNA: Not available.

Circumstances of Disappearance

Joiner was last seen in Thonotosassa, Florida on September 22, 1972. It has been reported that she came home from school, ate a sandwich, then left home to walk her pet raccoon, Bandit, on a leash. Witnesses saw Joiner standing near a white car parked on the edge of a work area, but nobody saw her get in the vehicle.

She has never been heard from again.

Joiner moved to Florida from Michigan a few months before her disappearance. She has six siblings.

A suspect (Gerald Stano) confessed to her murder and described the location of the remains, but a search could not locate her. The suspect recanted the confession but knew details only the killer would know.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office
813-247-8000

Agency Case Number: 72M00001

Source Information

Florida Department of Law Enforcement
The Doe Network: Case File 2190DFFL

LINK:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2190dffl.html
 
Was this girl murdered?

Was that size 15 a child's size? I know there's been vanity sizing in the past couple of decades but 15 sounds huge for someone who only weighs 95 pounds. She would likely wear an adult size 0 today and that's only because of her height. If she was 6" taller, she'd probably wear a size 00.
 
Aproximately 8 months and 225 Miles separate the disappearance of Gail Joiner and the discovery of this unidentified girl.

Unfortunately, there is not a lot of information openly available on either case.

Although there is a 6 inch "discrepancy" between listed heights, there might be enough similarity between these cases to warrant a closer look.
 
Men's shirt sizes are listed as neck size in inches followed by Arm length in inches for long sleeve shirts, for example 15 - 30.

A Men's short sleeve dress shirt (which would close at the collar for a tie) is listed only as neck size. Example - 15.
 
DylansMom34 said:
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/...aseNum=759895&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

13 year old girl from New York. The distance makes me wonder but the height and weight is close.
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Here is the doenetwork file on Mary Anne...

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Mary Anne Wesolowski, 13, Missing since August 18, 1971 from Glens Falls, NY

Mary Anne Wesolowski
Missing since August 18, 1971 from Glens Falls, Warren County, New York.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: June 24, 1958
Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'6; 85 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown hair; blue eyes.
Marks, Scars: Scar on the abdomen and chest.
Clothing: Last seen wearing a white t-shirt, red and white shorts, and a black leather belt.
Dentals: She has crooked teeth.

Circumstances of Disappearance

Wesolowski was last seen on her way to meet friends to go swimming at Haviland's Cove Beach, on the Hudson River, in Glens Falls, N.Y.

Investigators
If you have any information on Wesolowski's whereabouts, please contact:

Glens Falls Police Department
518-761-3840

You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

Agency Case Number: 5799-71

NCMEC #: NCMC759895

NCIC Number: M-212521590


Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:

The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children
New York State Police
The Doe Network: Case File 79DFNY

LINK:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/79dfny.html
 
Richard said:
Men's shirt sizes are listed as neck size in inches followed by Arm length in inches for long sleeve shirts, for example 15 - 30.

A Men's short sleeve dress shirt (which would close at the collar for a tie) is listed only as neck size. Example - 15.
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Ah yes, I didn't think of a a man's shirt on a woman. Women's blouses are usually bust size I believe so I would guess about a 32 for someone her height and weight.

Is there any suspicion that this woman might have been a prostitute? It would seem that if you have a slogan on your panties that maybe you expected someone to see you undressing.
 
I'm thinking the underwear might have something to do with anti-Vietnam/Republican party sentiment:

http://www.ebay.ch/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350476469786&clk_rvr_id=410495998173

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Giv...in-pinback-Country-Joe-McDonald-/110953835152


http://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/...=fta&Product_Code=pma60005&Category_Code=28PM

I could see myself thinking this was something "cool" to wear as a teenager. Interesting that it's actually embroidered - it looks drawn on.
 
annemc2 said:
I'm thinking the underwear might have something to do with anti-Vietnam/Republican party sentiment:

http://www.ebay.ch/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350476469786&clk_rvr_id=410495998173

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Giv...in-pinback-Country-Joe-McDonald-/110953835152


http://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/...=fta&Product_Code=pma60005&Category_Code=28PM

I could see myself thinking this was something "cool" to wear as a teenager. Interesting that it's actually embroidered - it looks drawn on.
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Give a Damn button, part of Urban League campaign, here.
 
STANDREID said:
Was this girl murdered?

Was that size 15 a child's size? I know there's been vanity sizing in the past couple of decades but 15 sounds huge for someone who only weighs 95 pounds. She would likely wear an adult size 0 today and that's only because of her height. If she was 6" taller, she'd probably wear a size 00.
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I think "size 15" must have been a child's size. When I was a kid in the 1980s, I has thought that children's clothing size went up to sizes 14 or 16 -- I really wish that I could remember more clearly.
 
Ambercat said:
I think "size 15" must have been a child's size. When I was a kid in the 1980s, I has thought that children's clothing size went up to sizes 14 or 16 -- I really wish that I could remember more clearly.
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More likely it was a 15" neck, aka a men's size medium. Wearing a man's shirt as an oversize blouse or overshirt has been intermittently popular among teenage girls for decades, at least since the 50s.

A youth large (boys') will say 14-16 on the tag but I've never seen 15 as a youth shirt size.
 
dogperson said:
When Carlene Tengelsen disappeared from a Georgia mall in 1972 she was wearing a man's dress shirt. Not that I think these 2 cases are related, but it does show us that girls wearing men's dress shirts may have been common in the early 70s.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154406&highlight=carlene+tengelsen
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Girls wearing mens dress shirts was very common in the early 70's. They were worn for everything from sleeping to yard work, to just hanging out wear. Is this girl in NAMUS? Does anyplace have a description of her? NCMEC? NAMPN?
 
In response to a question upthread, I think this young woman was indeed murdered, she's listed as a homicide (some others are listed as suspicious death). I wish there were at least very basic details of dentals - did she have any wisdom teeth? Were they crooked or straight?
 
The size 15 shirt would have to have been a mans shirt, or a juniors shirt. At that time, the largest junior(teens) was 15. They werent that common, but they were around. I would think a mans 15 would come closer to fitting her, as it is the smallest mans shirt size.

A juniors 15 would have been comparable to a ladies 16 only Cut a bit more petite.Way too big for this girl, but some people like oversized clothes. Or if she was a runaway, it might have been all she had.
 
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