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View Poll Results: Do you think Maddie is Alive or Not?

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  • alive

    12 3.36%
  • Not

    46 12.89%
  • Alive and parents innocent

    33 9.24%
  • Dead and parents not innocent

    166 46.50%
  • Don't know

    37 10.36%
  • Dead and parents are innocent

    63 17.65%

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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by brit1981 View Post
    Poll form (although I obviously disagree with people making unfounded accusations or speculating - on this forum it is normally OK, but some other ones I have sadly seen are just vile).

    I also did not see a "think" in the poll title, all i can see is a question - is she alive or dead.

    Cappaccino,
    Yes I remember that her stepfather got a lot of abuse from people on the internet claiming it was suspect, right up until she was found. parents of missing children have always been targets of suspicion for obvious reasons, and have always had to deal with gossip and rumour, but now it has got worse with the internet. I remember reading an article about the mother of Keith bennett, who disappeared in the early sixties. She always believed he was a victim of the moors murders apprently, but as she had only been married for a year there was a lot of nasty suspicion and gossip about her husband. It was twenty years before she was sadly proven right. It is wrong a mother in that situation had to put up with that sort of attitude. It is one thing for the police to intially suspect the parents -in the soham case one of the father's said he saw a note at the police station saying the father was a suspect, in the milly dowler case her father was initially suspected - thank goodness the UK police do not release all the details of the case like the PJ do as he woudl ahve had a lot of nastiness directed at him going by the information divulged about him in the trial and the nastiness about it on the internet now. I think in the Uk at least the recent wales abuse naming and shaming fiasco might bring that to a head in regards to internet gossip as the man named is considering legal action against individuel twitter users, but we will see.
    Jaycee's thread here had about 50 posts prior to her being found (it began in '05) and I only see one post talking about the stepfather possibly being involved. Considering that WS is the most active forum for most cold cases, I'm not sure how much discussion about the case was going on elsewhere. So I think saying there was a "lot of abuse" from people for 18 years on the Internet is kind of exaggerating.

    Criticism of parents is not worst nowadays; It's just that the Internet makes every case fair game no matter how much coverage they receive, or when they fade out of the media.

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    I voted in the poll ... Unfortunately, I believe Maddie is dead and the parents are NOT "innocent" ...

    They know what happened ... it's been too long for Maddie ...

    Time Kate and Gerry "fess up" ... as well as the Tappas Dinner Party should "fess up" as to what they know ...

    JMSSO = Just My Super Secret Opinion

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    I changed the title a bit (I hate the thought that Madeleine is dead) and added the "don't know" option, per Clutchbag's request.

    I also added a "dead, parent's innocent" option because it is possible a stranger has harmed Maddie.

    Hope all those changes are okay, Clutchbag - they are a bit more than you asked for, so let me know if I went to far, okay? Just send me a quick pm and we can get it fixed up.

    Salem

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    I'm not sure, parents innocent. There are too many questions either way to be certain, other than IMO Portugal has a very good reason to want it to be the parents, imagine how their tourism trade may have been affected otherwise.

    IIRC wasn't there a witness who saw a man carrying a child nearby that night? Also wasn't there a sighting at a camping park in spain a couple of days after? There were false plates in those peoples car IIRC.
    The truth is often stranger than what we would expect it to be.


    I also recall internet talk on different sites about Jaycee Lee Dugards stepfather being guilty of her disappearance long before she was found (I'm in Australia not the USA). He wasn't at all though.
    Last edited by aust amateur slueth; 11-12-2012 at 03:19 AM. Reason: edited to add further point

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    I've said it before, I personally cannot see how the Parents could have killed the child on the 3rd May 2007 and then carried on as if nothing had happened, potentially fooling even their friends as well as various Law Enforcement Agencies.
    That said though, I personally believe they know a lot more about whatever happened to Madeleine on that holiday, just what that is I don't know, their actions have never added up and the more I look at the case, the worse they look imo.

    The passage of time with no answers and no sightings, makes me believe that sadly Madeleine is no longer with us.

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    I really hope she is with us, i really do. I agree I do not see how madeleine could have died in the flat and her parents removed the body that night. And I do not buy into the conspiracy theories of a double being used.

    I do not think the parents have behaved suspiciously, I just think they were in the spotlight a lot more thna in other cases. April jones mother for instance has only been shown at press conferences. When Holly and Jessica disappeared in soham I remember a journalist said he had spoken to her mother shopping in the town just before they were foudn, she had apparently said she just had to get out and do something normal. BUT she wa snot followed by the cameras, or filmed speaking to the journalist. If that had been Kate mccann she woudl have been filmed and the film much discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cappuccino View Post
    I don't want to get into an argument with you Clutchbag, because I honestly don't know what happened here. But I would just ask you to ask yourself the following hypothetical question - say Kate McCann claimed to have witnessed Madeleine being abducted, and there was no corroborating evidence. No other witnesses, no defensive wounds, forensics, anything. That's the position Jaycee's stepfather was in for 18 years.

    Would you really take her word for it? Or would you think it was even more grounds to suspect her?

    If Madeleine was abducted at all she was abducted with no other witness present, apart from her two younger (and most likely sleeping) siblings. So the fact that there are no witnesses doesn't mean she wasn't abducted.

    Basically, I don't know is my answer.
    Would i take her word for it? Not in a million years

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    Salem, thank you for the changes, its perfect.

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    Eddie pretty much sealed it for me.

    He was a cadaver dog. He alerted for cadaverine.

    Dogs don't lie.

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    Sadly, I voted Dead and parents "NOT" innocent.

    (And to be clear, I don't think they "killed" Maddie except by neglect by leaving her alone. My theory is she fell out the window or down the steps and the parents covered up her death for several good reasons - foreign country, they are doctors with reputations, they knew how it would seem, etc. And I was here from the beginning of the case and believe me, the parents were often cool as cucumbers right after it happened, keeping up their running routines, writing perky emails - it seemed odd then and it seems odd now. And I believe the cadaver dog, too - it hit on the area under the window, and I believe if memory serves me, on the rental car. They explained it as garbage they hauled around in the trunk - where did we hear that before? Casey Anthony.)

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    There are just too many unanswered questions for the McCanns to be credible, let alone some of the behaviours they have displayed since.

    This is the UK's version of Jonbenet.

    Sadly, it is proof that you can buy innocence (or at least, distance yourself from guilt) in the UK justice system, as well as in the US.

    If the McCanns had've been black or on welfare, they'd likely be in prison.

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    if the mccanns were in the uk when this happened i dont think they would have got off scot free, can you imagine what people would say if they left three babies at home with an open door and went down the pub and then get lawyers to call it responsible parenting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutchbag View Post
    if the mccanns were in the uk when this happened i dont think they would have got off scot free, can you imagine what people would say if they left three babies at home with an open door and went down the pub and then get lawyers to call it responsible parenting
    I'm not sure about that.

    They have managed to slide away completely untouched by neglect charges.

    I'm no expert on the British law but I'm fairly sure they could bring charges if they wanted to, as all players were British subjects.

    We had a case here of a woman dying on a cruise ship in international waters, it didn't stop our prosecutors throwing all sorts of charges at those involved.

    The McCanns seem to have got away with it all, very effectively.

    I had high hopes for the "review' but AR pretty much shot those down when he announced half way through what he thinks the outcome will be.

    Way to be impartial, AR.



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    Poor people tend to get prosecuted for neglect and endangering their kids, the rich dont but I think something would have happened in this case, the brit police are not stupid, and they wouldnt have put up with all their shenanigans or gerrys controlfreakery and teying to steer the media and the police for a minute, he would havebeen told where to go, they should thank their lucky stars they were in portugal with a language barrier

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    We now know it was the British Police who developed evidence implicating the parents in the first place.

    It was the British Police who supplied Eddie and Keela.

    What I would like is explained is this -

    Why those original British investigators were removed from the case?

    I do not see how SY can call a "review" when the original investigation was never completed.

    Why not just reopen the investigation with the original team? Is is because now we have political interference at the highest level, everyone just wants this to go away?

    Link to wikileaks document proving political interference, and that the British Police were the first ones to suspect the McCanns.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-e...cuments/124011
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