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View Poll Results: Do you think Maddie is Alive or Not?

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  • alive

    12 3.36%
  • Not

    46 12.89%
  • Alive and parents innocent

    33 9.24%
  • Dead and parents not innocent

    166 46.50%
  • Don't know

    37 10.36%
  • Dead and parents are innocent

    63 17.65%

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    Quote Originally Posted by brit1981 View Post
    How can anyone here know whether she is alive or dead. not one LE force has stated that they know for certain. PJ said they did not know, and scotland yard said whilst they did not know there were leads that meant there was a chance she was alive. It does happen, look at natascha Kampusch, she disappeared, and individuels campaigned against her mother claiming she was involved. But eight years later she turned up alive, and denied her mother had had any involvement with which the police concurred.

    So the only people who can know at the moment are the ones who were there.

    Also does anyone else think a bunch of grown adults taking votes on whether a tiny child is alive or dead is rather bad taste?
    Well now i feel bad that i voted in this poll, because after reading your question brit1981 i do agree it is in bad taste after all. IMO i have never
    believed the parents have had anything to do with their daughters abduction. Admittedly this case rarely makes headlines here anymore in Australia, but from what i know of the case, its been a witch hunt on the parents from day one. I think it was random opportunity, Maddie was a stunning child and it takes just one creep to think he/she can snatch what ever they like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anxietyqueen View Post
    Well now i feel bad that i voted in this poll, because after reading your question brit1981 i do agree it is in bad taste after all. IMO i have never
    believed the parents have had anything to do with their daughters abduction. Admittedly this case rarely makes headlines here anymore in Australia, but from what i know of the case, its been a witch hunt on the parents from day one. I think it was random opportunity, Maddie was a stunning child and it takes just one creep to think he/she can snatch what ever they like.
    Why is it in "bad taste" to believe a child is likely deceased, yet being abducted and raped by a (or several) pedophile/s is somehow in good taste?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SapphireSteel View Post
    Why is it in "bad taste" to believe a child is likely deceased, yet being abducted and raped by a (or several) pedophile/s is somehow in good taste?

    No thats not in any better taste obviously. I think that was brit1981s point (that the poll was in bad taste not the optional answers?????????????)
    Or am i missing a post where brit 1891 said something contrary to that?

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    If a thread is offensive, it would be usual to report it to the mods and not contribute to it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutchbag View Post
    of course gem was insinuating people on the internet are the cruel ones, i wonder if gem read the sun stories where the parents told maddies siblings that the presents they got at xmas were from madeleine, you know fromthe evil badman who hadherand you know gem the one of the twins wanted to kill the abductor but her parents let her post pressies, talk about screwing your kids heads up hey gem?
    I don't read the sun or take anything the media says about this case as fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    Well, it might.

    Possibly.

    If the abductor has taught the child to read and if he allows her to use the internet.

    Both are doubtful imo.
    I agree in Madeleine's case that it is unlikely that an abductor would teach her to read however, abducted children (e.g. Steven Stayner) have been sent to school by their abductors so in general it can happen.

    I do think that showing a news paper/internet article with Madeleine's parents faces on and then reading out what the article says would be enough. Yes the abductor can just say those things but using the language of a journalist would support what they're saying further IMO.

    It's a bit like telling your kids Santa is real then ordering a letter from santa for your kids. You read it out to your kids and it supports what you've been telling them.

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    Yeah... I think Madeleine and her eye defect are probably too famous for an abductor to feel safe enough to send her to school but you never know, it's amazing what some people get away with. I guess if the abductor casually introduced the topic and said, "hey, my daughter has this eye defect, and she's been mistaken for Madeleine McCann so many times it's unbelievable..." people might take it in stride and not give it another thought.

    Anyway, I think at this point a manipulating abductor might possibly show her the photo of any two random people and get her to believe they're her parents. Steven Sayner was seven when he was taken and was probably able to remember more than Madeleine who was several years younger. Many people have fuzzy or no memories from the time they were three or younger and if Madeleine had been living with someone who kept messing with her mind all this time there's no saying that she'd even know who Gerry and Kate are at this point.

    That's what I would try to do if I ever found myself abducting a toddler. It seems it would be much easier to get away with it if the child was made to forget her real identity and believe whatever your cover story is instead of giving her reminders in the form of photos, internet stories about her disappearance, news articles about her real parents.

    If the plan is to live with her and let her interact with people semi-normally and not keep her hidden and tortured in an underground cave anyway.
    Last edited by Donjeta; 11-20-2012 at 03:06 PM.

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    The fact is, there is no abductor.

    Never was.

    If there had been an abductor, there would be evidence of one, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SapphireSteel View Post
    The fact is, there is no abductor.

    Never was.

    If there had been an abductor, there would be evidence of one, in my opinion.

    This is not fact it is your opinion. We do not have all the information in this case.

    Many children go missing without a trace every year. If this was organised crime, by an experienced perpetrator, then i'd think they'd be quite clever at not leaving any evidence behind. In any case the police made huge errors in the beginning and certainly compromised the investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gem2626 View Post
    This is not fact it is your opinion. We do not have all the information in this case.

    Many children go missing without a trace every year. If this was organised crime, by an experienced perpetrator, then i'd think they'd be quite clever at not leaving any evidence behind. In any case the police made huge errors in the beginning and certainly compromised the investigation.
    Clumsy phrasing. I should have said -

    The fact is, there is no evidence of an abductor.

    There is evidence of Madeleine's death.

    There is evidence her parents are involved.

    There is evidence of deception and cover up within the Tapas group.

    There is evidence of a cadaver sharing Madeleine's DNA in a car rented by her parents 25 days after Madeleine disappeared.

    The only forensic evidence found in the entire resort (cadaverine and DNA) is on the belongings of her parents.

    The only fingerprints on the shutters belong to Kate.

    Gerry was seen carrying Madeleine toward the beach.

    2 + 2 = 4, at least they did in the dark ages when I went to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    Yeah...I think Madeleine and her eye defect are probably too famous for an abductor to feel safe enough to send her to school but you never know, it's amazing what some people get away with. I guess if the abductor casually introduced the topic and said, "hey, my daughter has this eye defect, and she's been mistaken for Madeleine McCann so many times it's unbelievable..." people might take it in stride and not give it another thought.

    Anyway, I think at this point a manipulating abductor might possibly show her the photo of any two random people and get her to believe they're her parents. Steven Sayner was seven when he was taken and was probably able to remember more than Madeleine who was several years younger. Many people have fuzzy or no memories from the time they were three or younger and if Madeleine had been living with someone who kept messing with her mind all this time there's no saying that she'd even know who Gerry and Kate are at this point.

    That's what I would try to do if I ever found myself abducting a toddler. It seems it would be much easier to get away with it if the child was made to forget her real identity and believe whatever your cover story is instead of giving her reminders in the form of photos, internet stories about her disappearance, news articles about her real parents.

    If the plan is to live with her and let her interact with people semi-normally and not keep her hidden and tortured in an underground cave anyway.
    BBM

    Say an abductor was doing this... in regards to mentally torturing her they wouldn't need to make up someone when they would have it all laid out for them already. However, an abductor doing this does seem unlikely given her age. Your right she would probably not remember them after a little while and it would be easier to let her forget.

    IF Madeleine was abducted and kept alive I think she is well out of sight. Too much risk involved in letting anyone see her.

    JMO

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but all the kids abducted and later recovered alive were within a couple of hundred miles of home, most much closer.

    Based on this predictor, Madeleine would have been somewhere near PDL and found years ago, due to the "Leave No Stone Unturned" fund which surely saturated the area with full scale investigations and searches.

    This is a child whose parents had almost unlimited funds for private searching, and they used them...so why did they not find even a whisper of a credible sighting either that night or since?

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    Well, if someone abducted Madeleine and kept her alive I don't think billions of dollars of search funds would do much of a difference. Searches work if you're looking for remains left in the fields or the woods or the beaches but if you've got a child locked up in someone's basement the searchers aren't going to be allowed there and there will be no sightings if the abductor doesn't allow any outings. Privately funded searchers aren't going to find any children in places where you need to be LE armed with a search warrant to go to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    Well, if someone abducted Madeleine and kept her alive I don't think billions of dollars of search funds would do much of a difference. Searches work if you're looking for remains left in the fields or the woods or the beaches but if you've got a child locked up in someone's basement the searchers aren't going to be allowed there and there will be no sightings if the abductor doesn't allow any outings. Privately funded searchers aren't going to find any children in places where you need to be LE armed with a search warrant to go to.
    I beg to differ.

    Privately funded searches with no dollar limit can have access to cutting edge infrared technology and listening technology which would enable them to examine each square kilometre minutely. Searching is no longer a matter of bashing down doors.

    There would be no way a small child could be hidden (alive) with the technology available nowdays. The only limits to these searches are cost, which is why we don't see it more often. Most recently it was seen in Iowa, a 110 house saturation looking for missing cousins Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook.

    A privately funded and expert team could have every single person within 1000km tracked and traced and accounted for, especially after 5 years.

    I would say if Madeleine was to be found alive, she would have been by now.

    The McCanns had limitless funding, resources and publicity...with absolutely zero result. I find this suspicious in and of itself, as the "abductor" would almost certainly had to have been a local, if he existed at all.

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    That sounds very James Bond but have you ever seen private searches like that happen in real life and is it even legal in Portugal to use cutting edge listening technology etc. without warrants to spy on the population as a whole, consisting of predominantly innocent people?


    Were the 110 houses in Iowa searched by the girls' families or law enforcement?

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