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    Quote Originally Posted by beach View Post
    ITA. I think Casey had been wanting to rid herself of the responsiblity for a long time. We have evidence she was considering it as early as March. Like Bond pointed out with George's rare calls, something very disturbing was going on at that house the afternoon of June 16th. I think she snapped, and even though she had given it much consideration before, I believe it was an impulsive, quick final decision to do it on that day.

    The New York Craigslist employment ad for shot girls she viewed that same afternoon is not lost on me either. She wanted to go to NY with Tony. Caylee wasn't going to fit into that plan. She'd be damned before she signed over custody to George & Cindy. That was never going to happen, so....


    I hate her all over again. More than ever.
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    Your statement brings up a thought I have had since seeing the latest history files. I'm not the only one who noticed that the history file for the "owner" account starts on June 16. The significance is that all Firefox history recorded prior to that date was deleted. The file found in unallocated space containing the searches for chloroform are just one fragment of that deleted history. That fragment ends on March 21.

    There are, more likely than not, other fragments on that hard drive in unallocated space that cover the missing dates of March 22 - June 15. Based on the average volume of daily activity in the records we do have, there are probably around 43,000 records in those missing dates.

    I find it hard to believe that Casey only searched for ways to eliminate Caylee on March 17, 21, and June 16. I think it more likely there are multiple days in which such searches were done, and if we were to look at them we would find a more or less logical evolution from chloroform to household weapons to _blank_ to "foolproof suffocation".

    I think AZlawyer is correct in asserting one good way to find those missing records is to look for the word "search" in unallocated space, or Casey's favorite websites "Facebook", "Myspace", and "Photobucket".

    Finding those other records might also reveal what there was to hide that caused the history file to be deleted on June 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZubenElSchemali View Post
    I'm sure you care a lot about the details so thought I'd share these. Assuming there is a sliver of truth in the lies Casey told, perhaps George began calling her that day for another reason than what you suggest. But, if that were true, he'd surely remember that day clearly and wouldn't have sworn under oath that he saw her happy with her mom when they left that day at 12:50. To never call his daughter then call her that day and more calls later is enough to make that day stand out in his mind.
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    The cell phone records from June 1 - July 16 (46 days) show only two calls between George and Casey, one being June 16.

    I think you are using too much hindsight in your analysis of what George should have remembered. How many of us can clearly recall events from 30 days ago? Just because George may have called to see if Caylee had calmed down does not mean he'd recall that being the last day he saw Caylee. This would be particularly true if 1) Casey and Caylee never left home that day and 2) Casey is telling everyone the day Caylee disappeared was a day she left home with Caylee. What is George going to do? He's going to think back to the last day he saw Casey leave with Caylee. And his thoughts are going to mix with other days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWG View Post
    BBM

    Your statement brings up a thought I have had since seeing the latest history files. I'm not the only one who noticed that the history file for the "owner" account starts on June 16. The significance is that all Firefox history recorded prior to that date was deleted. The file found in unallocated space containing the searches for chloroform are just one fragment of that deleted history. That fragment ends on March 21.

    There are, more likely than not, other fragments on that hard drive in unallocated space that cover the missing dates of March 22 - June 15. Based on the average volume of daily activity in the records we do have, there are probably around 43,000 records in those missing dates.

    I find it hard to believe that Casey only searched for ways to eliminate Caylee on March 17, 21, and June 16. I think it more likely there are multiple days in which such searches were done, and if we were to look at them we would find a more or less logical evolution from chloroform to household weapons to _blank_ to "foolproof suffocation".

    I think AZlawyer is correct in asserting one good way to find those missing records is to look for the word "search" in unallocated space, or Casey's favorite websites "Facebook", "Myspace", and "Photobucket".

    Finding those other records might also reveal what there was to hide that caused the history file to be deleted on June 15.
    Thanks JWG. Is the only way for you to personally do a search of the unallocated space is to have a copy of the imaged hard drive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWG View Post
    BBM

    Your statement brings up a thought I have had since seeing the latest history files. I'm not the only one who noticed that the history file for the "owner" account starts on June 16. The significance is that all Firefox history recorded prior to that date was deleted. The file found in unallocated space containing the searches for chloroform are just one fragment of that deleted history. That fragment ends on March 21.

    There are, more likely than not, other fragments on that hard drive in unallocated space that cover the missing dates of March 22 - June 15. Based on the average volume of daily activity in the records we do have, there are probably around 43,000 records in those missing dates.

    I find it hard to believe that Casey only searched for ways to eliminate Caylee on March 17, 21, and June 16. I think it more likely there are multiple days in which such searches were done, and if we were to look at them we would find a more or less logical evolution from chloroform to household weapons to _blank_ to "foolproof suffocation".

    I think AZlawyer is correct in asserting one good way to find those missing records is to look for the word "search" in unallocated space, or Casey's favorite websites "Facebook", "Myspace", and "Photobucket".

    Finding those other records might also reveal what there was to hide that caused the history file to be deleted on June 15.
    I noticed in the History from Unallocated Space of the firefox browser that Casey logged into her facebook account 1 minute after the searches for "how to make chloraform" and "Shovel" and "neck breaking" and "household weapons". Why didn't the prosecution point that out to the jury when CA perjured herself, and why didn't the jury look at this spreadsheet to see it themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intermezzo View Post
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    I agree with this.
    Well I agree with your whole post but the BBM part has me going back to March 2008 with the computer searches for chloroform, neck breaking, household weapons etc..that were conducted AFTER Cindy closed her checking account and Casey was cut off from her money supply.
    Your post takes me back to what I originally thought about - that Cindy was Casey's initially intended victim months before.
    Casey must have been furious with her mother. It was probably building for years. And I beleive her thoughts to kill or somehow get rid of her mother fits into the conversations she had with her friend Amy about getting the house and them sharing it.

    But, I suppose she decided it would be easier to do away with her daughter. That would take care of part of her problem.

    I have to say reading these theories is putting chills back on my spine again. Will we ever be rid of Evil Casey Anthony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarmaGet'em View Post
    I noticed in the History from Unallocated Space of the firefox browser that Casey logged into her facebook account 1 minute after the searches for "how to make chloraform" and "Shovel" and "neck breaking" and "household weapons". Why didn't the prosecution point that out to the jury when CA perjured herself, and why didn't the jury look at this spreadsheet to see it themselves?
    Even if they had, JB came back and undermined the computer pros with his argument regarding the error of 84 chloroform searches.
    However, the files from the 16th of June become more compelling because they would have shown the jury a pattern that was likely Casey-which in turn may have compromised Cindy and knocked her tesimony out all together (she'd be cornered for sure if she tried to take credit for those June searches).
    The jury looked at nothing.

    I also believe that Casey was planning to kill Caylee, but prior to March of 2008. I believe if she had the financial means, she would have aborted Caylee. I believe that if she had the opportunity to give birth without Cindy's knowledge, she would have discarded Caylee.
    For a while she had to make it work. Cindy helped; she held Caylee when she was born, she made sure Caylee had fab birthday parties. Casey didn't want Cindy's help, though, she would have preferred to have full control of Caylee and thus Caylee's destiny-with no intrusion. If she could diminish the importance of Caylee to George and Cindy, she could ultimately get rid of her without pesky questions.
    Then things came to a head and the landmarks of coming of age that were happening to Casey's friends were not happening to her. She was unemployed and over-entitled. She was sexy, except with a baby on her hip. She is and always will be a dangerous sociopathic specimen, no need to find rhyme or reason in why she took it to a whole other level. Narcissistic, entitled sociopath. There was no such thing as giving Caylee to Cindy. THAT was never the plan.
    She started to look around in March and, as JWG points out, likely looked around all the way on through June 16th. She may have looked at some suspect sites afterwards, on the laptop on PC's we don't know about, such as disposal methods, cleaning methods, cell pings, etc. Who knows? Lee sure was gone a long time on July 17th...
    I also find it odd that George called her that day, but believe that it may have been due to an argument with Casey, maybe in front of Caylee. Remember how Annie said Casey would speak to Cindy? The way we heard her speak on the phone to Cindy from jail? The way George kept saying he had been hard on Casey? Maybe both George and Cindy were demanding Casey find a way to get out of their home and Cindy left her a VM to that effect on the morning of the 16th, George parroting the same thing annoyingly before he left for work. Casey didn't want to hear their lip, that's for sure, and she had no problem yelling at them. Maybe George called to tuck tail, er, apologize.
    By then, though, the thoughts and words had gone from musings of chloroform sorcery (in March) to bottom of the barrell murder by suffocation (June). Which as we know is pretty par for filicide by females.
    Dr. Vass's results likely from some other chemical influence at some other time, in some other manner? I am beginning to believe Casey never tried to brew a batch of chloroform. She simply suffocated Caylee with three pieces of tape, one placed nearly all the way around Caylee's head, in her hair.
    Timeline is where you guys have my interest piqued still. Was there bodily fluid on the carseat at any point (I know we went through that here)? Bodily fluid on Caylee's clothes, necessitating a change of clothes and requiring that Casey just bring the whole laundry bag and dispose of Caylee with the tainted clothing?
    These are things that might be answered if we knew more about how Casey may have manipulated the laptop, and if she could have "erased" items from that platform as well. In essence, if this is what she searched for before killing Caylee, I wonder what she searched for afterwards, when it was time to figure out how to cover up a murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWG View Post
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    The cell phone records from June 1 - July 16 (46 days) show only two calls between George and Casey, one being June 16.

    I think you are using too much hindsight in your analysis of what George should have remembered. How many of us can clearly recall events from 30 days ago? Just because George may have called to see if Caylee had calmed down does not mean he'd recall that being the last day he saw Caylee. This would be particularly true if 1) Casey and Caylee never left home that day and 2) Casey is telling everyone the day Caylee disappeared was a day she left home with Caylee. What is George going to do? He's going to think back to the last day he saw Casey leave with Caylee. And his thoughts are going to mix with other days.
    I don't agree. An objective detective would look at anything unusual coming from anyone involved unless he had his mind made up that Casey did something wrong before fully investigating and was not objective at all. I think George Anthony began calling her for a reason and that reason would stand out in his mind. You are incorrect that it was only one call. He also called her 7/3 2:39pm and 5:15pm, 7/7 8:24am, 7/14 8:24am according to his cell record. The last call doesn't show in Casey's records. This is the day he put 77 miles on company vehicle, telling them he was stuck in traffic on the highway for 2 hours. I could find no news story of anything that would cause traffic to be backed up on that day and that highway. This call may have been made while driving to work, arriving at 8:45am, according to his work report. These are just calls from his cell phone to her. I believe, but am not positive, this is the day he also went to where the car had been parked before being towed. LE never asked him why he called her or what they talked about, as far as I can remember.

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    I'm sort of inclined to believe she changed caylee's clothes because she knew GA would remember what Caylee was wearing, maybe he dressed her. That day might stand out because it was his first day at work at new job or that CA and Casey had a big fight the night before and morning was tense. Which is why I think she skewed the time line by saying Caylee was last seen on the 8th of June instead of 16th. So pieces wouldn't fall into place. People might argue Casey wasn't smart enough but I think she was smart just not wise. She had intricately woven lies that took years to build upon and I think she took a lot of time dreaming up.

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    If you're missing a post regarding Caylee's shorts, I moved ~dozen over to an existing thread focused on that topic and updated that thread title here. HTH.

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    So what are we really saying GA involvement is here? I don't believe for a second that he knew Caylee was dead on that day. But possibly lied about what she was wearing or just bs'd it. But what's his motive for that (to look like he cared more than he did, to look more confident/competent? Maybe he mixed up days... because as far as I can recall the clothes he claimed she wore were never found in any search of home or vehicles. Way after the fact the big trouble shirt and shorts were claimed to belong to "zanny" and the picture of her wearing them was at zanny's apartment. Maybe he sensed something was wrong hence the calls, maybe he called her to relay messages from Cindy because CA wasn't speaking to her or like another poster said maybe he was calling to see if Caylee had calmed down because everyone was mad at everyone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by azwriter View Post
    Your post takes me back to what I originally thought about - that Cindy was Casey's initially intended victim months before.
    Casey must have been furious with her mother. It was probably building for years. And I beleive her thoughts to kill or somehow get rid of her mother fits into the conversations she had with her friend Amy about getting the house and them sharing it.

    But, I suppose she decided it would be easier to do away with her daughter. That would take care of part of her problem.

    I have to say reading these theories is putting chills back on my spine again. Will we ever be rid of Evil Casey Anthony.
    ITA that KC's first plan was to get rid of CA & GA. I am sure that is where the chlorform comes in. I have never believed it was made for Caylee alone.
    She knew she couldn't kill either GA or CA unless they were sadated first.
    That batch was made especially for them.

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    Reading back through some of these posts and threads have really saddened me again about the miscarriage of justice in this case.
    Some thoughts I have now are -

    This newly found evidence just verifies what I already knew. It ties FCA to the house and the computer and that she murdered Caylee.

    I don't know if this evidence would have helped in the trial because of JB's wild accusations he was making. He said in the book and on tv that he had planned to show that GA was on the computer if it was brought up in trial. If that backfired, I feel sure that CA would have gladly "left work" again to get on the computer during that time. Now JB's spin is that this evidence was hidden by the PT to hide GA's involvement in order to keep alive their theory on FCA killing Caylee. JB would have said whatever it took to discount this new evidence one way or another and the jury would have believed him.

    Do we really know when George left for work? Every timeline assumes that he was telling the truth about when he left for work. He lied about watching the tv show and kept changing his story on how he said goodbye to FCA and Caylee that morning. Did he sleep in, play with Caylee all morning while FCA stayed on the computer or just get out of the house on his personal errands? Did he eat lunch with Caylee and FCA? Was FCA still livid over the fight with CA the night before? Did he and FCA get into a serious argument that morning? Something made him try to reach FCA after he got to work, maybe trying to calm her down and clear the air?

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    window of opportunity

    4:25 pm KC cell phone pings show her tracking westward.
    No activity on phone for 2 hours and 7 minutes. [NOTE: Up until this point KC has gone no more than about 30 minutes at a time not texting or calling some one.]
    BB returns home at approximately 6 p.m. from a family vacation.
    5:00 pm to midnight no activity on laptop.
    5:57 pm KCís cell phone pings show her tracking northwestward

    clearly this block of time indicates a window of opportunity to some of us??!
    A person who has a 400 a month phone bill that she steals from everyone in Orlando to pay. A person who is basically has her cell phone perma attached to her ear has nearly two hours of no cell activity and no cell tower pings? That to me means she deliberately turned off her phone that she wanted No interruptions in what she was concentrating on doing. And I believe she only flurry called her mother to try and get her to do whatever it was she wanted Cindy to do. Then she cuts that communication off then starts back up two hours later. To me she sat and thought I can't burn the bridge just yet or Cindy will be on to me. Think about if Casey just changes her phone number, moves out of the house and cuts off ties with her Mom... what would Cindy do? So she calls her to tell her everything is peachy and Caylee will be with the Nanny a few nights.

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    I don't believe there was ever any evidence presented to support the Henkle duct tape was ever in the car. There was evidence that a roll was in George Anthony's possession after June 16 though. Are you saying she took the tape back to the house and gave it to George or put it back in the garage for him to use later?
    Who is to say there was only one roll of duct tape?

    It's not at all a stretch for me to think there could have been more than one roll of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watcher9 View Post
    Reading back through some of these posts and threads have really saddened me again about the miscarriage of justice in this case.
    Some thoughts I have now are -

    This newly found evidence just verifies what I already knew. It ties FCA to the house and the computer and that she murdered Caylee.

    I don't know if this evidence would have helped in the trial because of JB's wild accusations he was making. He said in the book and on tv that he had planned to show that GA was on the computer if it was brought up in trial. If that backfired, I feel sure that CA would have gladly "left work" again to get on the computer during that time. Now JB's spin is that this evidence was hidden by the PT to hide GA's involvement in order to keep alive their theory on FCA killing Caylee. JB would have said whatever it took to discount this new evidence one way or another and the jury would have believed him.

    Do we really know when George left for work? Every timeline assumes that he was telling the truth about when he left for work. He lied about watching the tv show and kept changing his story on how he said goodbye to FCA and Caylee that morning. Did he sleep in, play with Caylee all morning while FCA stayed on the computer or just get out of the house on his personal errands? Did he eat lunch with Caylee and FCA? Was FCA still livid over the fight with CA the night before? Did he and FCA get into a serious argument that morning? Something made him try to reach FCA after he got to work, maybe trying to calm her down and clear the air?

    I may have missed this somewhere, but is there actual proof that he clocked in at his job (a car place of some sort?) at 3pm that day?

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