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    It's heartbreaking to think that a 3 month old baby now has no parents. I've been thinking about it all day and my heart just breaks for her.


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    "I got to go, I can't be here."

    Exclusive: As troubles at home simmered, Chiefs tried to help Jovan Belcher (Kansas City Star)
    Police said the team was providing counseling to Jovan Belcher and his girlfriend, Kasandra Perkins. But Belcher,
    before taking his own life in the parking lot of the Chiefs’ practice facility, said it wasn’t enough to fix their problems.

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    In the parking lot of the practice facility at 1 Arrowhead Drive, Belcher encountered Chiefs General Manager Scott Pioli. Belcher stepped out of his Bentley with a gun pointed at his own head, police said.

    “I did it,” he said, according to police. “I killed her.”
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    “I got to go,” Belcher reportedly said. “I can’t be here.”
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    much more - long article at the link above
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    Truly sad. A history of problems enough for his mother to be their and team counseling. prayers to her family and everyone affected.


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    I know not all the details are out yet, but as the story has developed, I take back what I said earlier about feeling nothing but sorrow for everyone involved. I no longer feel sorrow for Jovan Belcher. I know he may have had emotional issues/problems, but that is no excuse for what he did, and after other things have come out - like the man who called into a radio station and said Jovan Belcher bullied his son from age 12 until they moved from Long Island to Florida because they feared he would end up killing his son, and now that he wasn't even home that night, but was out with another woman - I can't make any excuses for him. It may be true that Kasandra was after his money, but he should have thought about that before he had a child with someone. He may have felt trapped. He may not have wanted a baby. He may have thought she was going to take away everything he had. But that's no excuse to kill her and if you are trying to make your relationship work, spending the night with another woman isn't the way to go about it.

    Also, about the article written by Jason Whitlock and quoted by Bob Costas - Whitlock used to be a columnist for the Kansas City Star. He wasn't very well liked in Kansas City. Now he's a Fox Sports writer. His articles are usually inflammatory and I think he likes the attention he gets from writing things he knows people are going to disagree with. He's an idiot. Like I saw someone else say - Jason Whitlock is fat. Maybe we should outlaw spoons.


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    From Peter King's Monday Morning Quarterback yesterday:
    Chiefs QB Brady Quinn hasn't had a lot of great moments in the NFL. In fact, he hasn't had a lot of good ones. But yesterday (...) he was the most mature adult in the room -- the room being the entire NFL -- in Week 13 when he eloquently used his post-game platform:

    "When you ask someone how they are doing, do you really mean it? When you answer someone back how you are doing, are you really telling the truth? We live in a society of social networks, with Twitter pages and Facebook, and that's fine, but we have contact with our work associates, our family, our friends, and it seems like half the time we are more preoccupied with our phone and other things going on instead of the actual relationships that we have right in front of us. Hopefully, people can learn from this and try to actually help if someone is battling something deeper on the inside than what they are revealing on a day-to-day basis."
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...-13/index.html


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    "Words can break someone into a million pieces, but they can also put them back together. I hope you use yours for good, because the only words you'll regret more than the ones left unsaid are the ones you use to intentionally hurt someone."


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    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...-live-911-call

    absolutely heartbreaking reading excerpts from the 911 call. apparently perkins was still alive and appeared to respond when talked said the mother. What an animal. I have sympathy for his family and the sadness they feel for his loss but I have no sympathy for him and the horrible thing he did.

    http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/05/jovan-...rder-911-tape/

    That is a link to the actual 911 call. If you don't like listening then don't, but some people like getting all aspects to a case so I posted it. I haven't listened to it yet. It is from TMZ so yeah. But the 911 call is still the same. It said she was shot multiple times. That is really telling in itself to me. Selfish, horrible. Going out with another woman that night but mad she went out with friends to a concert. Domestic violence at it's worse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Luzianne View Post
    Also, about the article written by Jason Whitlock and quoted by Bob Costas - Whitlock used to be a columnist for the Kansas City Star. He wasn't very well liked in Kansas City. Now he's a Fox Sports writer. His articles are usually inflammatory and I think he likes the attention he gets from writing things he knows people are going to disagree with. He's an idiot. Like I saw someone else say - Jason Whitlock is fat. Maybe we should outlaw spoons.
    Sbm

    I find this extremely offensive. What on earth does Whitlock's weight have to do with his writing ability or opinions? Outlawing spoons doesn't even serve as a good analogy for outlawing guns, since the purpose of a spoon is to eat, the purpose of a gun is to kill. Whitlock's weight is a danger to no one but himself. guns, on the other hand, are a threat to many people, whether legally owned or not - since their inherent purpose is to kill.

    Really, if you want to argue against his column, there are thousands of more intelligent ways to do it besides making a cheap shot about someone's weight. You aren't being clever - you're just being mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardenlady View Post
    Sbm

    I find this extremely offensive. What on earth does Whitlock's weight have to do with his writing ability or opinions? Outlawing spoons doesn't even serve as a good analogy for outlawing guns, since the purpose of a spoon is to eat, the purpose of a gun is to kill. Whitlock's weight is a danger to no one but himself. guns, on the other hand, are a threat to many people, whether legally owned or not - since their inherent purpose is to kill.

    Really, if you want to argue against his column, there are thousands of more intelligent ways to do it besides making a cheap shot about someone's weight. You aren't being clever - you're just being mean.
    As I said, it was something I heard someone else say and I repeated it. The purpose of a gun, to me, is self defense. It's when the tool (gun or spoon) is used incorrectly that it causes problems. That's the analogy.

    And if you saw me you would know I wasn't trying to insult fat people. I'm overweight too. It was just an analogy about how a tool is just a tool and it's not the tool that makes someone overweight or kills someone, it's the behavior of the person using the tool.

    Whitlock himself is extremely offensive (you should see things he says about people) and that is why someone used that correlation. Whitlock is not liked very much in Kansas City. He wrote for the Kansas City Star for many years and now works for Fox News.


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    Quote Originally Posted by danzn16 View Post
    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...-live-911-call

    absolutely heartbreaking reading excerpts from the 911 call. apparently perkins was still alive and appeared to respond when talked said the mother. What an animal. I have sympathy for his family and the sadness they feel for his loss but I have no sympathy for him and the horrible thing he did.

    http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/05/jovan-...rder-911-tape/

    That is a link to the actual 911 call. If you don't like listening then don't, but some people like getting all aspects to a case so I posted it. I haven't listened to it yet. It is from TMZ so yeah. But the 911 call is still the same. It said she was shot multiple times. That is really telling in itself to me. Selfish, horrible. Going out with another woman that night but mad she went out with friends to a concert. Domestic violence at it's worse.
    There is one point in the call that I read in the one of the transcripts that Kasandra says "He shot me!" I listened and I did hear something that sounded like that, but I'm not sure if that was her or not. If it was, her voice was stronger than I would expect for the condition that she was in, although maybe she could have mustered all her strength and made that one comment. I hate that she was conscious and responding, though, because that means she knew exactly what happened and had time to think about the horror of it all, knowing she was going to die, worrying about what was going to happen to her baby, etc. Very sad.

    Also on the call from the stadium, they said "extra time needed for cleanup." I feel bad for the person who had that job.

    I am still unclear on exactly what happened the night before the shooting. Her friends said he called her and wanted to know what time she was going to be home, and also a friend said that they got into a fight after she got home at 1:00 am. That means that a friend must have talked to Kasandra after she got home. I am wondering if he want out to dinner and whatever with the other woman, then went home knowing Kasandra was going to be home at some point, got angry when she didn't get home till later than he expected, got into a fight with her when she did get home and left to meet up with the other woman again, Kasandra called her friend and told her they had gotten into a fight, and when he got home in the morning they got into another fight about her getting home late/him being out all night or whatever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylynnCouture View Post
    It's heartbreaking to think that a 3 month old baby now has no parents. I've been thinking about it all day and my heart just breaks for her.
    It is heartbreaking, but like someone else said it is probably a good thing that she is so young because so long as she gets adopted to a good family, then she will not remember anything and can grow up with a good family.

    If she was older, it would be even worse IMO. It is sad no matter what.


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    Kasandra Perkins Did Not Have to Die (The Nation)
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    It’s horribly offensive to laud a man who murdered his girlfriend and left his daughter parentless. It’s also irresponsible. When the media reports domestic violence murders as random tragedies—or when individuals say the perpetrator must have “snapped”—they enable a culture of violence against women. Because when you don’t contextualize this violence as part of structural misogyny, you give credence to the myth that there was nothing anyone could have done to stop it.
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    As Casey Gwinn, President of the National Family Justice Center Alliance, wrote,

    "Relationships do not go from healthy, happy and functional to murder-suicide overnight. It never happens. There is almost always a history and there is always a pattern. Over time it will be clear that friends, family, and colleagues knew things and saw things and did not take action."
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    much more at the link


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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Kasandra Perkins Did Not Have to Die (The Nation)

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    Thank you so much for this. It is truly sad to me that so much abusers and domestic violence murders get so many excuses. Especially athletes and famous people. What did everyone initially think? He's a football player, obviously not his fault because he's had brain damage... even when this is so incredibly rare it was more likely for either one of them to die of simultaneous lightning strikes, shark attacks, etc. I've worked with athletes and concussions, I know how one acts with a concussion and I know how one acts with post concussive syndrome. I know he is only 25. And I have had training in medical school about domestic violence. It's not acceptable and we CAN NOT give them excuses anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Luzianne View Post
    As I said, it was something I heard someone else say and I repeated it. The purpose of a gun, to me, is self defense. It's when the tool (gun or spoon) is used incorrectly that it causes problems. That's the analogy.

    And if you saw me you would know I wasn't trying to insult fat people. I'm overweight too. It was just an analogy about how a tool is just a tool and it's not the tool that makes someone overweight or kills someone, it's the behavior of the person using the tool.

    Whitlock himself is extremely offensive (you should see things he says about people) and that is why someone used that correlation. Whitlock is not liked very much in Kansas City. He wrote for the Kansas City Star for many years and now works for Fox News.
    Just saw this on facebook:

    "Navy seals didn't kill Osama bin Laden... GUNS DID. ...Said no one ever.
    Don't blame guns for the actions of others"

    If there weren't guns there would be other tools unfortunately. And I just read that according to criminologist Gary Kleck, 2.5 million Americans use firearms to defend themselves each year. Don't take away self-defense for law abiding citizens. The problem is domestic violence and possibly mental illness (not saying MI's the case here). There are many cases of domestic violence homicide without firearms.


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