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    Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #5

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    At least 26 dead in shooting at Connecticut elementary school

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/14...#ixzz2F3id8S00



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    http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Off...183652041.html
    Officials Release Names of Newtown Victims in School Massacre

    Children:
    Charlotte Bacon, 6
    Daniel Barden, 7
    Olivia Engel, 6
    Josephine Gay, 7
    Ana M. Marquez-Greene, 6
    Dylan Hockley, 6
    Madeleine F. Hsu, 6
    Catherine V. Hubbard, 6
    Chase Kowalski, 7
    Jesse Lewis, 6
    James Mattioli, 6
    Grace McDonnell, 7
    Emilie Parker, 6
    Jack Pinto, 6
    Noah Pozner, 6
    Caroline Previdi, 6
    Jessica Rekos, 6
    Aveille Richman, 6
    Benjamin Wheeler, 6
    Allison N. Wyatt, 6

    Adults:
    Dawn Hochsprung, 47
    Rachel Davino, 29
    Anne Marie Murphy, 52
    Lauren Rousseau, 30
    Mary Sherlach, 56
    Victoria Soto, 27
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    Originally Posted by Pensfan
    "Mr. Novia said it wasn't unusual for school officials to meet about troubled students, but Mr. Lanza's problems were more severe than most. He said he told the school's three security staffers who reported to him to carefully monitor Mr. Lanza, concerning "where he was, who he was with, and what he was doing."
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...48422.html

    Uh....Clearly this killer wasn't just autistic. Adults were afraid of him the results of his behavior and he was tiny.

    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    Their fear wasn't that he was dangerous. "It was completely the opposite," said Richard J. Novia, the director of security at Newtown School District at the time in 2007. "At that point in his life, he posed no threat to anyone else. We were worried about him being the victim or that he could hurt himself."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...797348422.html
    I'm standing by my statement. This killer clearly wasn't just autistic.
    "Mr. Lanza's problems were more severe than most. Three security staffers were told to carefully monitor Mr Lanza......"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    "Mr. Novia said it wasn't unusual for school officials to meet about troubled students, but Mr. Lanza's problems were more severe than most. He said he told the school's three security staffers who reported to him to carefully monitor Mr. Lanza, concerning "where he was, who he was with, and what he was doing."
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...797348422.html

    Uh....Clearly this killer wasn't just autistic. Adults were afraid of him/the results of his behavior and he was tiny.
    Are we reading the same article?
    "The scrawny teenager with a mop of brown hair evoked feelings of sympathy, not fear, from teachers and the few classmates who even noticed him."

    It says that they were watching him, but trying to help him get in clubs and form friendships. They knew something was wrong, and that he needed help... but I'm not sure I got the impression they were afraid of him.

    eta- sorry, I see you've already clarified. I disagree on the afraid of him part, but I agree that he obviously had more going on than High Functioning Autism. That just seems obvious IMO.

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    They explain very clearly why they were monitoring him. Not because they were afraid of him, but because out of their concern for his well being.
    Since he was apparently such an unusual person, I am sure they were concerned he would be bullied.
    Just my opinion

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    “Nancy told me he was burning himself with a lighter. In the ankles or arms or something,” he recalled of a conversation they had about a year ago. “It was like he was trying to feel something.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2FHk6HEsz

    Uh...nope. Self mutilation is an attempt to keep suicidal feelings and emotional pain at bay by relieving psychological tension. Ten percent of self mutilators will eventually commit suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abby Normal Again View Post
    Are we reading the same article?
    "The scrawny teenager with a mop of brown hair evoked feelings of sympathy, not fear, from teachers and the few classmates who even noticed him."

    It says that they were watching him, but trying to help him get in clubs and form friendships. They knew something was wrong, and that he needed help... but I'm not sure I got the impression they were afraid of him.

    eta- sorry, I see you've already clarified. I disagree on the afraid of him part, but I agree that he obviously had more going on than High Functioning Autism. That just seems obvious IMO.
    That was also stated is 2007... I think things got worse for Adam

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    They explain very clearly why they were monitoring him. Not because they were afraid of him, but because out of their concern for his well being.
    Since he was apparently such an unusual person, I am sure they were concerned he would be bullied.
    Yes, he would have been a target for the bullies, but I think his bizarre behavior scared people whether they wanted to admit it or not.

    The bizarre behavior of unmedicated people with Schizotypal Personality Disorder and schizophrenia scares me and a lot of other old psych nurses, old psych techs, psych residents and old psychiatrists that I know.

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    The video on the Republican American is gone now, I told them and several reporters about it.
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    involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
    it tolls for thee. . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    Yes, he would have been a target for the bullies, but I think his bizarre behavior scared people whether they wanted to admit it or not.

    The bizarre behavior of unmedicated people with Schizotypal Personality Disorder and schizophrenia scares me and a lot of other old psych nurses, old psych techs, psych residents and old psychiatrists that I know.
    Interesting you mention Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I read that Dylan Klebold was likely schizotypal.

    Dylan Klebold: Personality Profile
    http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/criminal...d-profile.html

    I wonder if Jared Loughner, Seung-Hui Cho, and James Holmes could be schizotypal as well. I could see Loughner having traits for it as he had odd beliefs.

    Schizotypal Personality Disorder
    http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx33.htm

    -Ideas of reference (excluding delusions of reference)
    -Odd beliefs or magical thinking that influences behavior and is inconsistent with subcultural norms (e.g., superstitiousness, belief in clairvoyance, telepathy, or "sixth sense"; in children and adolescents, bizarre fantasies or preoccupations)
    -Unusual perceptual experiences, including bodily illusions
    -Odd thinking and speech (e.g., vague, circumstantial, metaphorical, overelaborate, or stereotyped)
    -Suspiciousness or paranoid ideation
    -Inappropriate or constricted affect
    -Behavior or appearance that is odd, eccentric, or peculiar
    -Lack of close friends or confidants other than first-degree relatives
    -Excessive social anxiety that does not diminish with familiarity and tends to be associated with paranoid fears rather than negative judgments about self




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    “Nancy told me he was burning himself with a lighter. In the ankles or arms or something,” he recalled of a conversation they had about a year ago. “It was like he was trying to feel something.”
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2FHpiOm1B

    Self mutilation is an attempt to keep suicidal feelings and emotional pain at bay by relieving psychological tension. Ten percent of self mutilators will eventually commit suicide. Approximately 55%–85% of self-mutilators have made at least one suicide attempt.

    This killer committed suicide.

    Know the warning signs of suicide and take those with signs for an immediate mental health assessment or something very awful could happen.

    http://journals.psychiatryonline.org...ticleid=174649

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    “Nancy told me he was burning himself with a lighter. In the ankles or arms or something,” he recalled of a conversation they had about a year ago. “It was like he was trying to feel something.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2FHk6HEsz

    Uh...nope. Self mutilation is an attempt to keep suicidal feelings and emotional pain at bay by relieving psychological tension. Ten percent of self mutilators will eventually commit suicide.
    "Self-injurious behavior is one of the most devastating behaviors exhibited by people with developmental disabilities. The most common forms of these behaviors include: head-banging, hand-biting, and excessive self-rubbing and scratching. There are many possible reasons why a person may engage in self-injurious behavior, ranging from biochemical to the social environment. This paper will discuss many of the causes of self-injury and will describe interventions based on the underlying cause."

    http://www.autism.com/index.php/symptoms_self-injury

    http://www.autism-help.org/behavior-...jury-intro.htm

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    Diagnosing Adam Lanza
    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...-lanza/266322/

    The article suggests that Lanza's may have Antisocial, Schizoid, and Avoidant Personality Disorder.




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    This case really gets to me because I taught first grade for many years. I love that grade, there is so much going on with kids that age. They are so adorable and may drive you nuts on a daily basis and exhaust you but that was part of the fun. I'd wake up every day, ready to go do it all over again.

    I see this story from three different views. I see it as a teacher who lost a student to a violent and senseless crime (see my siggy for that) and I am still waiting for justice in that crime. I can't even imagine the pain of the teachers, knowing that they lost 20 children and 6 colleagues all in 10 minutes in such a horrific way.

    I also see it as a teacher who had another student in first grade (in a different year/class from the murdered child) that I KNEW was going to grow up and kill someone. He often threatened to "bust a cap in my azz" and was capable of such pure hatred and rage that I feared him. I tried to get him help and was just brushed off. There was something seriously not right with that child. You could see it in his eyes that he was just a simmering soul of hatred. I never saw that in any other child I taught. I would occasionally google his name over the years, knowing that he would kill someone some day and he did. He was arrested when he was just 17 for murder.

    Most of my kids were inner city kids who were used to violence and my class was a safe refuge for them. Now even little babies in school aren't safe.

    As a former elementary teacher I know there is a huge imbalance in the ratio of male teachers to female teachers and I bet AL knew that too. Sandy Hook only had one male staff member listed and I think he was the custodian. I did see a few names that could be either male or female but were more likely female. So there was probably just one man in that whole building of women and children.

    I also see it as a first responder who has dealt with the tragic and senseless deaths and there was nothing we could do to help but stand by and then treat those victims with the utmost respect and compassion and say a silent prayer for them.

    These are just random, rambling thoughts running thru my mind. I'm just sitting here really just hurting for the teachers, the parents, the first responders and others who were affected by this.
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    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...d_of_2004.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FootballMom View Post
    "Self-injurious behavior is one of the most devastating behaviors exhibited by people with developmental disabilities. The most common forms of these behaviors include: head-banging, hand-biting, and excessive self-rubbing and scratching. There are many possible reasons why a person may engage in self-injurious behavior, ranging from biochemical to the social environment. This paper will discuss many of the causes of self-injury and will describe interventions based on the underlying cause."

    http://www.autism.com/index.php/symptoms_self-injury

    http://www.autism-help.org/behavior-...jury-intro.htm
    There is a continuum of self-harm and the higher the behaviors are on this scale, the more likely the person is to have suicidal thoughts. Cutting and burning oneself are at the top of the scale. Biting, rubbing, and scratching are at the bottom.

    Some of the self-injurous behavior that autistic children exhibit are sensory integration dysfunction behaviors. My daughter was adopted from an orphanage. She exhibited two self-injurous behaviors during the first six months after her adoption (hair pulling and occasional head banging). The Early Intervention Program worked with her for several hours every week with their sensory integration methods and equipment. Her behavior was almost involuntary. Using a lighter to burn oneself is not an involuntary action.

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