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    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    isolation is not good for anyone
    6' 110# is a great reason to be hospitaized for health
    in a way IMO AL needed help and was not gettng it at all.
    It sounds to me like his mother was working to get him help just before she was killed. She was going to move and put him into a school or center.
    I am guessing that didn't make him happy.
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepperspray View Post
    Nancy and Peter built a house next to the house she grew up in, may have been a sign of why the first grade was selected at Sandy Hook Elementary, Adam didn't appreciate the move.

    Adam was out of his comfort zone. Moving to Connecticut and all the stranger's who were not his relatives, was overwhelming to Adam.

    Was Nancy looking at going back to New Hampshire to help Adam and somehow he got confused and was hurt and angry about everything and so retaliated to send a message to the World at large?

    Was this the voice that everyone would finally hear, the attention he neglected, by his shooting spree? Was this his depression, the move from New Hampshire and then shortly after, his father moves out of the house?
    Could very well be the case, especially with the fact he moved. Adam Lanza was resentful about it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabelle View Post
    If AL was medically diagnosed with Aspergers that would work. At this point we really don't know what medical diagnoses he had. I strongly suspect after hearing a lot about Aspergers someone did research and assigned that to AL without an MD. This is just my suspicion.
    I am in agreement with you about this. I have doubts that he was diagnosed with Aspergers by a professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepperspray View Post
    My understanding is that Nancy was looking at various opportunities to help Adam to participate within society.

    I think his problems were beyond that, though. I don't understand why she couldn't see that (even allowing for some denial as a mother).

    I cannot imagine him EVER being able to handle anything more than a part-time job in a very sheltered environment (meaning no clients or customers to encounter) and a very few co-workers, and that's on the optimistic end of the spectrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jking View Post
    I am in agreement with you about this. I have doubts that he was diagnosed with Aspergers by a professional.
    Is it because you don't think he saw a professional or because you don't think he fit the criteria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michmi View Post
    I think his problems were beyond that, though. I don't understand why she couldn't see that (even allowing for some denial as a mother).

    I cannot imagine him EVER being able to handle anything more than a part-time job in a very sheltered environment (meaning no clients or customers to encounter) and a very few co-workers, and that's on the optimistic end of the spectrum.
    It sounds to me that he got worse in a last couple of years. Before that he was able to attend school and take college courses. He even got a drivers license.
    Last two years he was apparently sitting in his basement most of the time playing video games. About that time he also reportedly stopped communicating with his brother and father, so nobody really could observe him except his mother.
    Just my opinion

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    My brother, who sounds a good deal like AL in many ways, became highly symptomatic at aged 18. Up until then, he seemed finicky and overly worried and introverted and had only one friend. But he became drastically worse rather suddenly, dropped out classes and retreated to his room, where he has remained for three decades...I believe this is a common age for schizophrenia onset, jmo.
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    I hope we find out if he had schizoprenia or a personality disorder. Statements about him indicate that he was giving people the silent treatment as far back as second grade. Going into withdrawal as a teen and only his mom being able able to get him to respond doesn't seem like schizoprenia. If he was really catatonic it doesn't seem like he'd respond to her either. Would people with Aspergers, who had therapy all thru childhood go around acting like that, or was it learned attention seeking manipulation just to get his mom to school and maybe take him home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    Is it because you don't think he saw a professional or because you don't think he fit the criteria?
    IMO, he did not fit enough of the criteria to be diagnosed by a professional. Perhaps when he was a child he fit some of the criteria and that was enough for his parents. I imagine more information will come out. If he was diagnosed there should be a record of it.
    I still suspect Schizophrenia.
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    Merry Christmas everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by jking View Post
    IMO, he did not fit enough of the criteria to be diagnosed by a professional. Perhaps when he was a child he fit some of the criteria and that was enough for his parents. I imagine more information will come out. If he was diagnosed there should be a record of it.
    I still suspect Schizophrenia.
    I'm not sure we have enough information to tell that he didn't fit the criteria. Certainly he fit some of them.

    http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html
    Diagnostic Criteria for 299.80 Asperger's Disorder
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    [The following is from Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: DSM IV]

    (I) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

    (A) marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction
    Check. We've read that he had trouble with eye contact, seemed awkward walking in the school corridors and a classmate said that you couldn't see any emotions which I read as saying his facial expressions were abnormal.
    (B) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
    Check. That's two out of the required two in (I).

    (C) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people, (e.g.. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
    I don't think we know whether he pointed out objects of interest as a child but based on the descriptions of the people who knew him at school he didn't seem to have much initiative in trying to make any contact with others.
    (D) lack of social or emotional reciprocity
    Check. That is at least what NL complained of, partly. Her friends said that she was upset because he didn't express affection.

    (II) Restricted repetitive & stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

    (A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
    (B) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
    (C) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g. hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
    (D) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects
    I don't think there is enough information to say whether some of these apply but we could probably check at least one, B, I think. The Latin teacher said he was OCD, always wore the same or similar clothing to school all year and always took the same routes when walking at the school which would seem to point to inflexibility in some of his routines.
    (III) The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
    Check. Impairments in social functioning, absolutely. He never had a job, and he dropped out of the educational system, apparently because of his problems but if he was diagnosed as a child he was still doing pretty good at school at that point so academic impairment wouldn't have counted.

    (IV) There is no clinically significant general delay in language (E.G. single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years)
    Inconclusive. No one's come out saying that he had language delay but we don't know when he learned to speak, afaik.

    (V) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood.
    He was said to be bright so there probably was no significant delay in cognitive development. I don't think we can tell how his self-help skills developed in early childhood.

    (VI) Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia."

    There are some unknowns there. There is some overlap between the negative symptoms of schizophrenia and his symptoms. I don't think we have information about whether he might have had positive symptoms but I think if he had been severely delusional and hallucinating as a child it would probably have made it more difficult for him to succeed at school as well as he did because it tends to impair a child's ability to focus on the academic work. Just speculating but if he had schizophrenia it probably started to manifest itself in late teens when he started to isolate himself more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    It sounds to me that he got worse in a last couple of years. Before that he was able to attend school and take college courses. He even got a drivers license.
    Last two years he was apparently sitting in his basement most of the time playing video games. About that time he also reportedly stopped communicating with his brother and father, so nobody really could observe him except his mother.
    I would sincerely like to know your theory of what happened to cause him to withdraw 3 years ago? Not picking on you....just looking for your theory. Your posts make a lot of sense to me.

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    A little OT, but I know little about DD of schiz./ PD, etc.
    I keep wondering why these mass killers, CO, VA Tech, Columbine, all seem to be from well healed and educated families that could have provided much more psych help to their sons. I haven't followed this in the past, but I am wondering, why don't we hear about 20 something males from impoverished backgrounds commiting these atrocities? I would love anyones input. Merry Christmas my WS friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJ View Post
    I would sincerely like to know your theory of what happened to cause him to withdraw 3 years ago? Not picking on you....just looking for your theory. Your posts make a lot of sense to me.
    You weren't asking me, but IMO some type of schizophrenia was emerging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4MYGUYS View Post
    A little OT, but I know little about DD of schiz./ PD, etc.
    I keep wondering why these mass killers, CO, VA Tech, Columbine, all seem to be from well healed and educated families that could have provided much more psych help to their sons. I haven't followed this in the past, but I am wondering, why don't we hear about 20 something males from impoverished backgrounds commiting these atrocities? I would love anyones input. Merry Christmas my WS friends.
    Look what is going down in the Southside of Chicago right now. Kids killing kids in cold blood over dime bags. Same thing has been happening in South Central. Drive bys, killing anyone they randomly pass on the street. I truly believe that the most cold blooded of the gang bangers are often mentally ill, perhaps undiagnosed.
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