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    Quote Originally Posted by 4MYGUYS View Post
    A little OT, but I know little about DD of schiz./ PD, etc.
    I keep wondering why these mass killers, CO, VA Tech, Columbine, all seem to be from well healed and educated families that could have provided much more psych help to their sons. I haven't followed this in the past, but I am wondering, why don't we hear about 20 something males from impoverished backgrounds commiting these atrocities? I would love anyones input. Merry Christmas my WS friends.
    I'd like to know too but I have read that at least 20% of our prison population are mentally ill. Don't quote me but it was during a search a while back via google. Maybe some just did other extreme crimes or wouldn't have done it if they were treated/medicated correctly or monitored? Got me.

    If a person is at there wits end with a family member due to odd behavior, seek help. Don't let roadblocks stand in your way. You can do it. Do it swiftly too.

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    I wonder if the more impoverished mentally ill or personality disordered kids get caught quicker and locked up. Last night a poster said A might have been better off if he lived in a trailer park. I think that might be true. Even if just around less money to buy guns and get secluded down in a nice family room with thousands of dollars worth of electronics. More impoverished school districts might also worry less about offending parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Know? View Post
    I'd like to know too but I have read that at least 20% of our prison population are mentally ill. Don't quote me but it was during a search a while back via google. Maybe some just did other extreme crimes or wouldn't have done it if they were treated/medicated correctly or monitored? Got me.

    If a person is at there wits end with a family member due to odd behavior, seek help. Don't let roadblocks stand in your way. You can do it. Do it swiftly too.

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    As a former correctional officer I would say that 20% is probably overly conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Know? View Post
    If a person is at there wits end with a family member due to odd behavior, seek help. Don't let roadblocks stand in your way. You can do it. Do it swiftly too.

    jmo
    To be honest, the system errs on the side of a person's rights and sometimes family has a very difficult time getting help for their loved one (a parent with dementia is a perfect example). I doubt that occurred in this case, but generally if the person doesn't believe they need help and presents in a marginally reasonable way, they aren't forced to get help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4MYGUYS View Post
    A little OT, but I know little about DD of schiz./ PD, etc.
    I keep wondering why these mass killers, CO, VA Tech, Columbine, all seem to be from well healed and educated families that could have provided much more psych help to their sons. I haven't followed this in the past, but I am wondering, why don't we hear about 20 something males from impoverished backgrounds commiting these atrocities? I would love anyones input. Merry Christmas my WS friends.
    Denial is a huge problem for families of any income level, and since well-to-do people are human too, they refuse to believe sometimes that their children are changing for the worse. Parents always want to have hope where their children are concerned, and often these problems exacerbate while the kid is away at college or in a new situation. So the parents are probably as shocked as everyone else.

    I don't think that's the case with Adam Lanza and his mother - I do think she saw warning signs in him, which is why she told his babysitter not to turn her back on him. I have avoided this topic because I have strong opinions about it, but truly it is nuts to me that she put guns in the house with a child who was having so many problems. Not because she should have realized he would kill her or hurt others, but because he might have killed himself on any given day. It's just really counterintuitive that you would have even one gun in the house with a troubled child, whatever their problems.

    For problems like schizophrenia, which I have seen first hand with a relative, sometimes the first symptoms just seem like ordinary teenage rebellion. Getting into trouble for drinking underage is almost the norm in our society, but for young people who have the onset of depression or something else it can become a chronic problem, even in the best of caring families. All teens sometimes have bad judgment so most parents never jump to the conclusion that they are in a downward spiral.

    That's why drug addiction, alcoholism, and violence can still happen even in cookie cutter perfect neighborhoods.

    But impoverished teens do also commit these types of crimes. However lack of money or connections means that they are incarcerated instead of receiving any kind of medical treatment.

    Our jail system is full of people with undiagnosed mental, medical, or developmental problems and is one of the scandals of our society. States are trying to come up with new plans involving not much in funding, which is hampering the process.

    Also the privatization of the jail system means that inmates are given the least amount of care possible on tight budgets, and even local officials may not understand the extent of the problem.

    You have to have a really good attorney in most states just to get a psychiatric evaluation, and for poor inmates that is not a reality.

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    Asperger's sufferers fear Adam Lanza will become their poster boy

    By Joe Rodriguez
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    Posted: 12/24/2012 03:13:06 PM PST
    Updated: 12/24/2012 05:40:36 PM PST

    Read at the Source: http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-...l-become-their

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    Sorry if it was posted before... (i wasn't here for few days)

    Adam Lanza's online gaming history probed

    Michael P. Mayko

    Updated 7:45 am, Monday, December 24, 2012

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...ed-4141582.php

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    I feel very sorry for ALs brother and father. Whilst yes, AL took innocent lives and that is awful, it's almost like they aren't allowed to publicly grieve for their son/brother.

    I noticed it happened in Columbine as well, with the shooters parents.
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    Sandy Hook Shooting: The Speculation About Adam Lanza Must Stop

    By Judith Warner, Dec. 21, 2012

    Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/21/san...tion-must-stop

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMSHood View Post
    Could very well be the case, especially with the fact he moved. Adam Lanza was resentful about it.
    With the latest article http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...ed-4141582.php about Adam killing his Mother The car was owned by Nancy Lanza, the killer's mother. She was found dead in her bed with four .22-caliber bullet wounds in the face, a source said. A hunting rifle found at the home is believed to have been used in that murder. All of the guns found were legally purchased by Lanza's mother, I am more convinced that Adam was resentful towards Nancy and the move.

    Different friends of Nancy's would bring up about her country-girl, New Hampshire upbringing. Also, the town in New Hampshire that the Lanza's were married in and grew up in, had a famous dignitary, a personage who signed the Declaration of Independence. It's the fitting in part that may have also contributed to the resentment from Adam, his Mom was different, too.

    Nancy doesn't sound like a Socialite and given the reputation that one hears about the upper classes of Connecticut, it would be comparable to the first class passengers of the Titanic.

    Resentment---Resentment (also called ranklement or bitterness) is the experience of a negative emotion (anger or hatred, for instance)[1] felt as a result of a real or imagined wrong done.
    Resentment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    I hope we find out if he had schizoprenia or a personality disorder. Statements about him indicate that he was giving people the silent treatment as far back as second grade. Going into withdrawal as a teen and only his mom being able able to get him to respond doesn't seem like schizoprenia. If he was really catatonic it doesn't seem like he'd respond to her either. Would people with Aspergers, who had therapy all thru childhood go around acting like that, or was it learned attention seeking manipulation just to get his mom to school and maybe take him home?
    BBM. Yes. No. Depends on the patient. My son (maybe an Aspie, maybe just classically autistic) has had therapy for years. He is overly verbal, and has random outbursts. My dad (definitely an Aspie) would, still at the age of 50, shut down and stop speaking when he was overwhelmed. He did not have therapy as a kid, due to the Asperger's dx not really existing in the US when he was a kid, but he did throughout his teens and adult life.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtFox View Post
    Denial is a huge problem for families of any income level, and since well-to-do people are human too, they refuse to believe sometimes that their children are changing for the worse. Parents always want to have hope where their children are concerned, and often these problems exacerbate while the kid is away at college or in a new situation. So the parents are probably as shocked as everyone else.

    I don't think that's the case with Adam Lanza and his mother - I do think she saw warning signs in him, which is why she told his babysitter not to turn her back on him. I have avoided this topic because I have strong opinions about it, but truly it is nuts to me that she put guns in the house with a child who was having so many problems. Not because she should have realized he would kill her or hurt others, but because he might have killed himself on any given day. It's just really counterintuitive that you would have even one gun in the house with a troubled child, whatever their problems.

    For problems like schizophrenia, which I have seen first hand with a relative, sometimes the first symptoms just seem like ordinary teenage rebellion. Getting into trouble for drinking underage is almost the norm in our society, but for young people who have the onset of depression or something else it can become a chronic problem, even in the best of caring families. All teens sometimes have bad judgment so most parents never jump to the conclusion that they are in a downward spiral.

    That's why drug addiction, alcoholism, and violence can still happen even in cookie cutter perfect neighborhoods.

    But impoverished teens do also commit these types of crimes. However lack of money or connections means that they are incarcerated instead of receiving any kind of medical treatment.

    Our jail system is full of people with undiagnosed mental, medical, or developmental problems and is one of the scandals of our society. States are trying to come up with new plans involving not much in funding, which is hampering the process.

    Also the privatization of the jail system means that inmates are given the least amount of care possible on tight budgets, and even local officials may not understand the extent of the problem.

    You have to have a really good attorney in most states just to get a psychiatric evaluation, and for poor inmates that is not a reality.
    Generally, I have read mentally ill people are a danger to themselves and possibly family members. They are at more riskmfor violence if they have a history of violence or do drugs.

    Addiction can really tear up families. It causes so much trouble. I wonder if Adam Lanza had any substance abuse.




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    Quote Originally Posted by pepperspray View Post
    With the latest article http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...ed-4141582.php about Adam killing his Mother The car was owned by Nancy Lanza, the killer's mother. She was found dead in her bed with four .22-caliber bullet wounds in the face, a source said. A hunting rifle found at the home is believed to have been used in that murder. All of the guns found were legally purchased by Lanza's mother, I am more convinced that Adam was resentful towards Nancy and the move.

    Different friends of Nancy's would bring up about her country-girl, New Hampshire upbringing. Also, the town in New Hampshire that the Lanza's were married in and grew up in, had a famous dignitary, a personage who signed the Declaration of Independence. It's the fitting in part that may have also contributed to the resentment from Adam, his Mom was different, too.

    Nancy doesn't sound like a Socialite and given the reputation that one hears about the upper classes of Connecticut, it would be comparable to the first class passengers of the Titanic.

    Resentment---Resentment (also called ranklement or bitterness) is the experience of a negative emotion (anger or hatred, for instance)[1] felt as a result of a real or imagined wrong done.
    Resentment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Resentment is a common trait I have seen in criminals, especially with rampage killers, terrorists, etc.




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    “I’m from Newtown, Connecticut, where the shooting was,” she remembers the child asking. “Is it possible that Santa can bring extra presents so I can deliver them to the families that lost kids?”

    http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/...nts-to-heaven/

    Mo. Boy Calls NORAD To Ask If Santa Brings Presents To Heaven
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    Merry Christmas

    A new member shared with me that our phony uncle Lanza has been arrested and is currently incarcerated.
    I don't want to reopen the discussion or link any of his "work" here, but rather I wanted to close the door on this <unusual person> and pass it along.

    Here is the inmate locator.

    http://www.chesco.org/index.aspx?NID=415

    Thanks to Supernovanic

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