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    Poland - Marka, WhtFem 229UFPOL, 19-24, Depeche Mode tattoo, Apr'94

    This unidentified woman was found in Poland in 1994, and she has a distinguishing feature which is a tattoo of some initials with a rose in the middle.

    The police or whomever believe that the tattoo might be DM's logo, which has a rose in the middle. But I think the initials are PM, not DM. What do you think?

    Case link: http://doenetwork.org/cases/229ufpol.html

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    The first letter does look like it could be P or a thorn (letter). But due to the rose I am convinced this is supposed to be a Depeche Mode logo. The rose is used on the Violator album and "Enjoy the Silence" single covers. Both were released in 1990, a few years before the UID was found.

    A thorn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:La...3%9E%C3%BE.svg
    Violator cover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...-_Violator.jpg
    Enjoy the Silence cover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...TheSilence.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebonydarkness View Post
    The first letter does look like it could be P or a thorn (letter). But due to the rose I am convinced this is supposed to be a Depeche Mode logo. The rose is used on the Violator album and "Enjoy the Silence" single covers. Both were released in 1990, a few years before the UID was found.

    A thorn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:La...3%9E%C3%BE.svg
    Violator cover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...-_Violator.jpg
    Enjoy the Silence cover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...TheSilence.jpg
    I agree. I was a big Depeche Mode fan during that time period, and that was the band's logo.

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    I think it is Depeche Mode logo. After their concert in Warsaw in 1985 we had an outburst of DM fans and they even formed their own subculture. This girl was found in 1994, when there were still a lot of them, depeches, around.

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    Depeche Mode is still really big in Central Europe, at least it was the last time I was there 3 or 4 years ago, I was amazed at how ubiquitous they were. Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Russia, we heard them everywhere. We even saw a DM matroyshka. I definitely think it is a DM logo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outofthedark View Post
    This unidentified woman was found in Poland in 1994, and she has a distinguishing feature which is a tattoo of some initials with a rose in the middle.

    The police or whomever believe that the tattoo might be DM's logo, which has a rose in the middle. But I think the initials are PM, not DM. What do you think?

    Case link: http://doenetwork.org/cases/229ufpol.html

    Can we please create a "Europe" prefix?
    Bolded by me.

    Now that I look at it again, I wonder if it could be PM designed to look like a DM logo. Like maybe her beloved (or herself) and she loved the band.
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    Is it possible this is an old tattoo reworked? With the original tattoo being '11' or double one? It's just that part of the stem of the rose is identical to the vertical line of the 'D', right down to the funny little upturn at the bottom of the line. The D is also much more faded - though this could be decomposition.

    Is there any significance in Poland to the number 11, or double 1?
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    The only thing I can think of offhand is that you only give an odd number of flowers, so 11, not a dozen. Even numbers of flowers are for funerals.
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    Thanks, that's interesting. I had no idea about the flower numbers. Do you know where Marka is, by the way? Is it Marka in Krakow or is there another one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    Thanks, that's interesting. I had no idea about the flower numbers. Do you know where Marka is, by the way? Is it Marka in Krakow or is there another one?
    I don't, I assume it's Marki, near Krakow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    Is it possible this is an old tattoo reworked? With the original tattoo being '11' or double one? It's just that part of the stem of the rose is identical to the vertical line of the 'D', right down to the funny little upturn at the bottom of the line. The D is also much more faded - though this could be decomposition.

    Is there any significance in Poland to the number 11, or double 1?
    It looked a bit like a reworked initial tattoo , possibly adjusted to look like the band logo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by necco View Post
    I don't, I assume it's Marki, near Krakow.
    There are a lot of places called "Marki" in Poland. Near Krakow, near Warsaw... Unfortunately I don't have a slighest idea which is the correct one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    Is it possible this is an old tattoo reworked? With the original tattoo being '11' or double one? It's just that part of the stem of the rose is identical to the vertical line of the 'D', right down to the funny little upturn at the bottom of the line. The D is also much more faded - though this could be decomposition.

    Is there any significance in Poland to the number 11, or double 1?
    November, 11, we celebrate the Independence Day. Nothing else comes to my mind right now. I don't think it is a reworked "11" though it can't be excluded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexe View Post
    There are a lot of places called "Marki" in Poland. Near Krakow, near Warsaw... Unfortunately I don't have a slighest idea which is the correct one.
    Dziekuje, Hexe!

    Obviously, I defer to your knowledge of Poland, since you live there.


    I looked into the jeans, since we have so little to go on. I'm thinking they're German as there's a company that was founded in 1932 that adopted the name Mustang Jeans in 1958. It was in West Germany during the separation.

    Yeah. But here's their German wikipedia page translated into English.

    http://translate.google.com/translat...10%26bih%3D702
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    Quote Originally Posted by necco View Post
    Dziekuje, Hexe!

    Obviously, I defer to your knowledge of Poland, since you live there.


    I looked into the jeans, since we have so little to go on. I'm thinking they're German as there's a company that was founded in 1932 that adopted the name Mustang Jeans in 1958. It was in West Germany during the separation.
    That might be, mustangs were incredibly popular here in the nineties, especially among the rock-loving youngsters (yup, I had a pair as well ).

    I've been digging a little bit and I discovered that it was trendy among the DM fans to have a depeche tattoo. And in the nineties there were these big fan events organised, people were coming from all the Poland. She might have been a participant of one of these events.

    But I think something got messed with the name of the place she was found in. I cannot find anything about her in the net. Zilch, nada, nothing. Hmmm...
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