Are the GB4 and Shannon Gilbert related?

Are the GB4 and SG cases related??

  • YES

    Votes: 22 34.9%

  • NO

    Votes: 23 36.5%

  • UNDECIDED

    Votes: 18 28.6%
  • Total voters
    63

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I'm undecided. Here's how my uncertainty breaks down:

Connections
1. SG was an online escort, like our other 4 victims.
2. The location of her body was very close to the GB4 trophy case.
3. I assume SG's body could be viewed on a regular basis by someone who knew where to look, and had a desire to admire his handiwork.
4. Whatever the reason, SG definitely felt that her life was in danger. There's no disputing that.

Lack Of Connections
1. We do not know SG's cause of death. We know LISK asphyxiated his victims, and placed them in burlap bags before dumping them. We see none of that with SG. Is it possible she was ashyxiated? I think so. But we have nothing concrete to file that away as fact. Is it possible her killer wasn't able to place her in burlap? Yes. But again, we have no way of knowing.
2. At this point, with the information available to us, we can not even reasonably conclude that SG was murdered. Setting aside gut feelings, what proof do we have?

I can't connect SG to the GB4 without knowing how she died. And since LE isn't inclined to tell us how she died...I'm stuck on the fence.
 
Mountain_Kat said:
I'm undecided. Here's how my uncertainty breaks down:

Connections
1. SG was an online escort, like our other 4 victims.
2. The location of her body was very close to the GB4 trophy case.
3. I assume SG's body could be viewed on a regular basis by someone who knew where to look, and had a desire to admire his handiwork.
4. Whatever the reason, SG definitely felt that her life was in danger. There's no disputing that.

Lack Of Connections
1. We do not know SG's cause of death. We know LISK asphyxiated his victims, and placed them in burlap bags before dumping them. We see none of that with SG. Is it possible she was ashyxiated? I think so. But we have nothing concrete to file that away as fact. Is it possible her killer wasn't able to place her in burlap? Yes. But again, we have no way of knowing.
2. At this point, with the information available to us, we can not even reasonably conclude that SG was murdered. Setting aside gut feelings, what proof do we have?

I can't connect SG to the GB4 without knowing how she died. And since LE isn't inclined to tell us how she died...I'm stuck on the fence.
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This is exactly what I think, except I'd add another item to your first list. I think it's very suggestive that the final two GB4 victims were killed in relatively rapid succession after Shannan Gilbert's disappearance. They both also left their cell phones behind. It's almost as if the killer knew about Shannan's 911 call and changed his M.O. in response, while at the same time ramping up the frequency of the murders.
 
Aleph said:
This is exactly what I think, except I'd add another item to your first list. I think it's very suggestive that the final two GB4 victims were killed in relatively rapid succession after Shannan Gilbert's disappearance. They both also left their cell phones behind. It's almost as if the killer knew about Shannan's 911 call and changed his M.O. in response, while at the same time ramping up the frequency of the murders.
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Agreed, but if you take SG out of the picture, you could just as easily argue that the cell phone fiasco with Melissa's phone was the trigger. :dunno:
 
Mountain_Kat said:
Agreed, but if you take SG out of the picture, you could just as easily argue that the cell phone fiasco with Melissa's phone was the trigger. :dunno:
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Hi MK!

Great idea for a poll! Can you start one that asks if we think the GB4 and AC4 are related? I think it might start an interesting discussion...I'm personally "undecided" on that one...let's discuss it

Another poll might ask if we think the GB4 are related to Manorville...again, I'm "undecided" but I am leaning towards the GB4 being separate from Manorville.

IMO, Melissa's phone is the biggest insight we have into this creeps head...

One more suggestion: Start a thread to discuss MW's pimp.
They put him in jail - to me that says he's someone who should be looked at in more detail - let's start a Gilgo Beach big pimpin' thread...sheesh...these guys are in msm and we should have really researched/sleuthed them already - in detail...it's never too late! Maybe just a "big pimpin' thread so as to include the AC victims pimps! IMO DS (AC's roommate/pimp) has always known more than he said...MP and HA also fit this category.
 
twocuriouscats said:
Hi MK!

Great idea for a poll! Can you start one that asks if we think the GB4 and AC4 are related? I think it might start an interesting discussion...I'm personally "undecided" on that one...let's discuss it

Another poll might ask if we think the GB4 are related to Manorville...again, I'm "undecided" but I am leaning towards the GB4 being separate from Manorville.

IMO, Melissa's phone is the biggest insight we have into this creeps head...

One more suggestion: Start a thread to discuss MW's pimp.
They put him in jail - to me that says he's someone who should be looked at in more detail - let's start a Gilgo Beach big pimpin' thread...sheesh...these guys are in msm and we should have really researched/sleuthed them already - in detail...it's never too late! Maybe just a "big pimpin' thread so as to include the AC victims pimps! IMO DS (AC's roommate/pimp) has always known more than he said...MP and HA also fit this category.
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Are you asking ME to start all those threads and polls? :floorlaugh:

(You do know I'm board challenged, right?) ;)

ETA: Well, I managed to figure out how to do a poll. It's pretty raggedy, but it's there.
 
Mountain_Kat said:
Are you asking ME to start all those threads and polls? :floorlaugh:

(You do know I'm board challenged, right?) ;)

ETA: Well, I managed to figure out how to do a poll. It's pretty raggedy, but it's there.
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I know, right? I'm a coward lol. I feel like I'm board challenged too.
Typical of me - trying to find an easier, softer way haha. I still look up to you as a talented sleuther! That being said, I will see what I can doooooooo
 
OMG, I thought MK started that poll - today it looks like CriminalMinds started it. Please forgive, I was heavily medicated (but thought I was fine lol).
The foreigner already asked those questions...about the connections between the vics.
I'm still UTI so I won't be posting anymore today...heh heh Sorry for the confusion -
 
twocuriouscats said:
OMG, I thought MK started that poll - today it looks like CriminalMinds started it. Please forgive, I was heavily medicated (but thought I was fine lol).
The foreigner already asked those questions...about the connections between the vics.
I'm still UTI so I won't be posting anymore today...heh heh Sorry for the confusion -
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Take more meds, Curious. We could use the comic relief. :floorlaugh:
 
Mountain_Kat said:
I'm undecided. Here's how my uncertainty breaks down:

Connections
1. SG was an online escort, like our other 4 victims.
2. The location of her body was very close to the GB4 trophy case.
3. I assume SG's body could be viewed on a regular basis by someone who knew where to look, and had a desire to admire his handiwork.
4. Whatever the reason, SG definitely felt that her life was in danger. There's no disputing that.

Lack Of Connections
1. We do not know SG's cause of death. We know LISK asphyxiated his victims, and placed them in burlap bags before dumping them. We see none of that with SG. Is it possible she was ashyxiated? I think so. But we have nothing concrete to file that away as fact. Is it possible her killer wasn't able to place her in burlap? Yes. But again, we have no way of knowing.
2. At this point, with the information available to us, we can not even reasonably conclude that SG was murdered. Setting aside gut feelings, what proof do we have?

I can't connect SG to the GB4 without knowing how she died. And since LE isn't inclined to tell us how she died...I'm stuck on the fence.
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The problem with that is aside from superficial similarities (such as working in the sex trade and being found in the same general area), there is no MO correlation between SG and GB4 at all. None.

If there was to be a link made, some more specific correlation would be required, and there isn't any.
 
Tugela said:
The problem with that is aside from superficial similarities (such as working in the sex trade and being found in the same general area), there is no MO correlation between SG and GB4 at all. None.

If there was to be a link made, some more specific correlation would be required, and there isn't any.
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Which is precisely what I went on to say in the last half of my post.
 
" superficial similarities", surely, you jest?
 
This is how I see it. It's like that movie "Traffic". We can see this case from a number of different perspectives: The cops that responded to Coletti's 911 call, The homicide investigators that eventually were handed this mess, LE Administration/Top Brass, Politicians, OB Community, tax payers etc....And the victims' family and friends.

In a perfect world, all of the above would have seeking the truth their ultimate goal.
But unfortunately, it's not a perfect world. But I bet that if any of those mentioned above had a daughter that was murdered, they would not accept the "this is what probably happened" theory.
 
In the absence of evidence you don't have much more than the "this is probably what happened" theory. Evidence doesnt just materialize, it is either there or it isn't.
 
hawkshaw said:
" superficial similarities", surely, you jest?
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Ok, what similarities are there then?

And don't say they were all escorts. There are tens of thousands of escorts in the greater metropolitan area. That is their profession, not CoD.

And dont say it was because they were found in the same area, because a bunch of other bodies were found there as well. Obviously it is a convienent place to hide bodies.

What aspect of their deaths (or last day for that matter) are similar? Tell me that.

None as far as I can tell.
 
Tugela said:
And don't say they were all escorts. There are tens of thousands of escorts in the greater metropolitan area.
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You're kidding, right? There's thousands of plumbers, too, and bakers and cab drivers - but not found dead in the brush in one small area.

Tugela said:
Obviously it is a convienent place to hide bodies.
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It's a convenient place to dump dead hookers.
 
Tugela said:
In the absence of evidence you don't have much more than the "this is probably what happened" theory. Evidence doesnt just materialize, it is either there or it isn't.
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Do you mean like Shannan's jacket appearing in Brewer's driveway, or Shannan's sister finding her earring near his Steps? how about her belongings being found in the shrubs or her remains being found a year after her disappearance? give me a break. you know better. evidence can be there - right in front of your God damn nose and be missed. it happens to the best of them.
 
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