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    Wow! Thanks for the article MK, I looked for an entire work day while no one was there.

    Right now the server seems to be down so I will check it again later to read the entire thing.

    I have NEVER heard of LE taking along a news crew to anything, much less something potentially so volatile. Very interesting.

    Whatever was going on a whole lot of people seem to have been involved.

    Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21merc7 View Post
    Wow! Thanks for the article MK, I looked for an entire work day while no one was there.

    Right now the server seems to be down so I will check it again later to read the entire thing.

    I have NEVER heard of LE taking along a news crew to anything, much less something potentially so volatile. Very interesting.

    Whatever was going on a whole lot of people seem to have been involved.
    A local actually had to go to the library and look up the news article on microfische. Can you believe that? All this technology, and good old microfishe saves the day. Go figure.
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    Another thing that has me scratching my head...why on earth were Jones and Nixon charged with manslaughter? Even under the legal definition of voluntary manslaughter, I can't make that charge fit, given what we know. So, there either has to be something about the murder of Ernestine that we don't know, or...well... (I'm stuck for words here)...

    http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?s=4805465

    According to this article, Jones was originally charged with 2nd degree murder. So the charge was lowered to manslaughter for some reason. Is that an option in a plea deal? Cops say, "You roll over on so and so, and we'll lower your murder charge to manslaughter" ? I'm dumbfounded. Someone give me a clue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    Another thing that has me scratching my head...why on earth were Jones and Nixon charged with manslaughter? Even under the legal definition of voluntary manslaughter, I can't make that charge fit, given what we know. So, there either has to be something about the murder of Ernestine that we don't know, or...well... (I'm stuck for words here)...

    http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?s=4805465

    According to this article, Jones was originally charged with 2nd degree murder. So the charge was lowered to manslaughter for some reason. Is that an option in a plea deal? Cops say, "You roll over on so and so, and we'll lower your murder charge to manslaughter" ? I'm dumbfounded. Someone give me a clue here.
    I don't know anything about the case specifically, but certainly a criminal charge might be reduced (by the judge, by the prosecutor, or upon motion of the defense) without any "deal" at all if the evidence is clearly not going to be sufficient for a conviction on the original charge.

    Considering that even the manslaughter charges were eventually dropped for lack of evidence, that would be my guess here.

    "It would seem to me that June 16, 2008 was the last time that the victim was viewed by her grandparents. It became quite evident that from the OS of the Defense that the 16th was a date of great importance and that a so called time line of activities dealing with CA, LA, GA and ICA on the 16th and what, if any, activities took place on the 15th, 16th and 17th of June on 24 hour cycles would have been, at least, of a minimal requirement of review. I take it at some point you had a computer expert look at that data?" HHJP, 6/21/11
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...139910&page=94

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    I don't know anything about the case specifically, but certainly a criminal charge might be reduced (by the judge, by the prosecutor, or upon motion of the defense) without any "deal" at all if the evidence is clearly not going to be sufficient for a conviction on the original charge.

    Considering that even the manslaughter charges were eventually dropped for lack of evidence, that would be my guess here.
    Thanks so much, AZ. So, the charge was probably less about fitting the actual circumstances of the murder, and more about just trying to make anything stick? Seems like a hell of alot of wasted time and money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktgirl View Post
    This is an ongoing theme in many of these murders. People (often the same people/groups of people but different victims) are arrested/labeled as suspects but then released.

    However, we don't just have one guy (or one group of people) arrested/suspected for all (or of those murders that had POIs, suspects, arrests made, whatever). IMO, We seem to have at least 2 different people (& accessories) or different sets of groups.
    I agree. Though, I would add, the primary pattern for the two groups of POIs involves witnesses coming forward and then recanting, along with evidence going "pewf!" Which is why charges end up being dropped. Notably, the named POIs have been fingered for the first five murdered women. (i.e, FR, CS, & TC for Lopez, Lewis, & Dubois. BCJ & LN for Patterson, and RW, TC, BH, ML, & S for Brown).
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