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    MN - Amy Sue Pagnac, 13, Osseo, 5 Aug 1989



    Amy Sue Pagnac

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pagnac_amy.html




    Top Row and Bottom Left and Center: Amy, circa 1989;
    Bottom Right: Age-progression to age 33 (circa 2009)

    Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance


    Missing Since: August 5, 1989 from Osseo, Minnesota
    Classification: Non-Family Abduction
    Date Of Birth: June 15, 1976
    Age: 13 years old
    Height and Weight: 5'0, 100 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Brown hair, blue eyes. Pagnac has scars on her left cheek, left eyelid and the side of her nose. She has a circular-shaped scar on her left knee. Pagnac's ears are pierced. She has a petite stature.
    Clothing/Jewelry Description: Sweatpants, a light-colored shirt, and tennis shoes.
    Medical Conditions: Pagnac suffers from occasional seizures due to undetermined causes. She also has occasional fits of anger. She is required to take allergy medication.

    Details of Disappearance

    Pagnac and her father stopped at the Holiday Inn gasoline station in Osseo, Minnesota at 4:30 p.m. on August 5, 1989. They were on their way home from a visit to the family farm at the time; they lived in Maple Grove, Minnesota. Pagnac's father went inside the station for a brief moment to use the toilet. When he returned, he saw that she had disappeared from their parked vehicle. She has never been heard from again.

    Authorities initially believed Pagnac ran away from home. She had done so once before after packing clothing, but had only been gone for a day. She is no longer considered a runaway; it is thought that Pagnac may have had a seizure while her father was inside the building and became disoriented as a result. She may have walked away from their car afterwards.

    There was a possible sighting of Pagnac in July of 2002. Someone reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children that Pagnac, who would have been 26 at the time, may have been seen in Bay City, Michigan and was possibly a student at a local college or university in the area. Nothing came of the lead, however.

    Pagnac remains missing and her case is unsolved. Her family has kept the same telephone number since her disappearance in case she attempts to contact them. Maple Grove police are investigating her disappearance.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 01-07-2013 at 03:13 AM.

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    Thank you so much for starting this thread! Amy vanished from around my area, so it always has haunted me. And that sighting of her in 2002...in Michigan? What would be her reason to runaway, or why would someone take her?
    There has also been speculation that Amy got disoriented due to seizures and wandered away..but how often does that happen? To me, along with Jacob Wetterling, this is one of the most baffling missing persons cases in Minnesota. Also, with MN landscape, state of 1,000 lakes and woods and corn fields...it's like finding a needle in a hay stack:/
    But her family is amazing. I believe they have a website, possible facebook for her. I know they are looking to this day, wonderful people.
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    Amy's Case Still Open:

    http://kstp.com/news/stories/S2228695.shtml?cat=1

    Twenty-two years ago, a Maple Grove girl disappeared from her family's car at a gas station.

    Thirteen-year-old Amy Sue Pagnac was with her dad at the time. They were on their way home from a trip up north and stopped at a gas station in Osseo. While her dad was inside, Pagnac vanished.

    Today, she would be 35 years old.
    Police say each anniversary they get anywhere from six to 12 new tips. They investigate all of them. In fact, there's still an entire room at the Maple Grove Police Department dedicated to the search for Amy.
    "As long as we are actively investigating, it will stay open forever," said Detective Travis Pobuda, who's in charge of the investigation now. "I want to see this solved, I want to see this done, because we've put a lot of time and effort into it, and it's the right thing to do for Amy."
    If you have any information about the case, you're urged to call the anonymous Crimestopper Tip Line at 1-800-222-TIPS.
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    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/0...g-for-22-years

    Here's another article..does anyone know if her stepfather, who last seen her, if he was ever cleared?
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    The Springfield Three
    Fawn & Rozlin Abell
    The Forth Worth Trio
    Rachel Mellon Skemp

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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/20806
    Where is Sharon Rose Sons?
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    I went to college with Amy's younger sister. Her case is really what drew me to Websleuths in the first place (as a lurker...Mickey Shunick inspired me to actually join & post). Amy was her only sibling & her disappearance has left a hole in her family. They have kept the same phone number all these years, clinging to the hope that maybe Amy is alive out there somewhere & will one day call home. Last I knew, they still lived at the same address...just in case Amy ever comes home.
    I was a little girl when Amy went missing, but I do not believe her family had anything to do with it. My friend (Amy's sister) is close to her family & describes a loving childhood, marred - of course - by the unsolved disappearance of her only sibling.
    I pray that one day, the Pagnac family will be blessed with closure. It is so unfair for anyone to go so many years with no answers.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 01-07-2013 at 03:15 AM. Reason: Removed reference to date error which was corrected.

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    LarkBunting-thank you so much for your post! To think her family is in limbo, waiting for her tocome home, keeping everything the same just in case...it's just so heart breaking! Do you know what ever became of the sighting of Amy in MI as a possible college student there???
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    The Springfield Three
    Fawn & Rozlin Abell
    The Forth Worth Trio
    Rachel Mellon Skemp

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    Where is Sharon Rose Sons?
    Discuss her case here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...aron+rose+sons

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    From what I know of the "sighting" in MI, nothing came of it. LE investigated & found nothing to substantiate the claim.
    I wish gas stations had security cameras back in 1989. Maybe they did? Maybe the footage was unhelpful, of poor quality, or whatever happened occurred out of camera range?

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    I was just thinking that same thing! Or maybe any of the other facilities that are by Holiday gas station-since it's unsure what direction she (or the person who took her) went. A sighting of her on the security camera would be great just to narrow down if she wandered off or is someone took her-although I have always thought that someone abducted her. I wonder WHERE Holiday is located? In the middle of town? By lots of land and woods? Because if she got disoriented and wandered off...if it was in town...wouldnt someone have found her, even if she got injured in the process?
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    Deanie Marie Pyle Peters
    Mary Jo Lee Long
    Leanna "Beaner" Warner
    Jodi Huisentruit
    Amy Billig
    Rachael Garden
    Stacie Madison and Susan Smalley
    The Springfield Three
    Fawn & Rozlin Abell
    The Forth Worth Trio
    Rachel Mellon Skemp

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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/20806
    Where is Sharon Rose Sons?
    Discuss her case here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...aron+rose+sons

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    bumping for Amy...someone out there knows...
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    Deanie Marie Pyle Peters
    Mary Jo Lee Long
    Leanna "Beaner" Warner
    Jodi Huisentruit
    Amy Billig
    Rachael Garden
    Stacie Madison and Susan Smalley
    The Springfield Three
    Fawn & Rozlin Abell
    The Forth Worth Trio
    Rachel Mellon Skemp

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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/20806
    Where is Sharon Rose Sons?
    Discuss her case here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...aron+rose+sons

    "We lose our keys, we lose our glasses..but how, in America, do we lose our children?!"-Molly Bish's Mother
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    What caught my attention was "occasional fits of anger." What exactly does that mean? If investigators thought it was important enough to note in a case file, I'm thinking it was something more serious than typical teenage behavior. Did Amy have a history of violent or destructive behavior? Was there any possibility of her harming herself?


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    Usually, when someone has a seizure, they typically afterwards have a period of time known as a 'post-ictal state'. Persons in post-ictal states TYPICALLY are sleepy. In fact, my former son-in-law has epilepsy, and they discovered he was having night-time seizures when they had trouble waking him up in the morning.
    There is so little information - did anyone else at the gas station see her? Did anyone see them between the time they left the farm and the gas station? Did anyone see them at the farm for that matter?
    This is not to cast aspersion at the father - just asking the normal questions.

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    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/0...-for-22-years/
    I also wonder if anyone else say Amy at the gas station...I don't want to point fingers at the family, but did they also see her stepfather at the gas station? Were there cameras there? What were people's account of Amy at the farm? How did that visit go and how was she when she left? I feel validating she was at the Holiday gas station is of great importance. And did they stop anywhere else before the gas station?

    It just is so odd to me she vanishes like this...so weird, of all the cases I have read up on, Amy's is so different, can't really pin point one like it. Seems like she had no reason to runaway, unless she had a bad time at the farm, or something was happening that she kept to herself and was upset about??
    Have You Seen Me?
    Deanie Marie Pyle Peters
    Mary Jo Lee Long
    Leanna "Beaner" Warner
    Jodi Huisentruit
    Amy Billig
    Rachael Garden
    Stacie Madison and Susan Smalley
    The Springfield Three
    Fawn & Rozlin Abell
    The Forth Worth Trio
    Rachel Mellon Skemp

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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/20806
    Where is Sharon Rose Sons?
    Discuss her case here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...aron+rose+sons

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    In my experience, most gas stations at that time tended to have public restrooms accessible from the outside, for which you had to get a key from the clerk. It wouldn't take more than a moment to get it, unless there were a line inside to pay. And, given that Amy's stepfather was a man, he would most likely have been able to do his business very quickly in the restroom, much more so than the typical woman would have. Thus, if his account is correct, he really would have taken his eyes off Amy for only a couple of minutes at most. It seems very bizarre to have her completely disappear in such a short time.

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    I also agree, I just can't wrap my head around that, that someone would force her from the car in broud daylight in a public area, and just take her without anyone seeing a thing.
    And as for her leaving on her on, I also can't see that...someone would have seen something and she couldnt have gotten far in that short of time...I just question if that is how she really vanished. I hate saying that because I do not wanna point fingers, but it is just so odd!
    Have You Seen Me?
    Deanie Marie Pyle Peters
    Mary Jo Lee Long
    Leanna "Beaner" Warner
    Jodi Huisentruit
    Amy Billig
    Rachael Garden
    Stacie Madison and Susan Smalley
    The Springfield Three
    Fawn & Rozlin Abell
    The Forth Worth Trio
    Rachel Mellon Skemp

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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/photos/full/20806
    Where is Sharon Rose Sons?
    Discuss her case here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...aron+rose+sons

    "We lose our keys, we lose our glasses..but how, in America, do we lose our children?!"-Molly Bish's Mother
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    Hello everyone.
    I'm Amy's sister. Yes there were camera's at the gas station, however during the initial investigation, the police never obtained copies of the footage. Yes, they were able to verify my father was at the gas station, and yes, they were able to verify they left the farm. The gas station is near the middle of town on the main street. it is a very small town, main street is about 4 blocks long, and there are mostly businesses along the main street with residential homes behind it. The area was not very developed at the time, and there were significant areas of farmland around, corn fields specifically.

    Thank you for starting this thread and looking into my sister's disappearance.
    No, my father, or any of my family, myself included (yes, I was 8 at the time), has been cleared of wrong-doing in this case. In my opinion, much of this case has been mishandled, and vital information, such as gas station footage, has been forever lost.
    Recently, the Maple Grove police has renewed their efforts, and for that I applaude them. Unfortunately, it appears thier focus lies soley on my family and foul play. I am not aware if they looked into the sighting in MI. They tapped our phones and put us under surveillance - over twenty years after the occurance. Their equipment has yet to be removed. When they questioned my father, who has a severe allergy to latex and was later found to have significant heart diease requiring open heart surgery, they placed him in a warm room, using latex materials, and when he complained of feeling light-headed, short of breath, ignored it as a medical concern and took those very real physical symptoms as proof of his guilt. While I can understand their mistake in this matter, it makes me very upset that they would treat a victim's family member as such. Representatives interviewed by local newsstations have stated the investigation is on hold because we are not cooperating. Considering the major medical conditions, and the physical stressors caused by them, and their very recent methods of how they want us to cooperate, we are literaly unable to without significant injury to health.
    I'm sure that I will upset a few people with this post, I do not mean to, but it is extremely frustrating to be put in such a position that we need to choose between the current health and well-being of my mother and father, or the police continuing their investigation into my sister's disappearance. It is a horrible choice and saddens me beyond words.
    I want to thank you all again for keeping Amy in your thoughts. I hope you can help in any way possible. It tears at my heart to feel like there is nothing formally being done, but your time and energy is an amazing gift.

    Thank you all

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