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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    Having coffee this morning, and re-reading some threads. Can't help but think that there's something about Ernestine that we're all missing. There isn't alot of background info on her, but from what I have read from those who knew her, she lived a fairly "upright" life until shortly before her murder. Assuming that's true, I wonder which came first...her descent into the life, or her employment at Wendy's under Teresa Gary.
    You may have a very good point, the missing one!

    I never thought of it like that. I just thought the family is more private. Got to stop thinking what my family would do if or what. My family would do nothing and say nothing.

    Hmmm. You are quite the detective.

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    I can figure out what happened to these girls in terms of "life choices". That much is clear. The south side is it's own little world...and these girls were indoctrinated into this world at an early age. High risk lifestyle? No doubt. But high risk for things like drug addiction, overdose, prostitution, homelessness, robbery, beatings, jail time, etc. Murder is a much less common thing. Not that it doesn't happen in high risk life styles, it certainly does, but it's a far less common occurance than the other things I listed. And here we have 8 women from a very small town, who all had strong connections to one another, and who all end up murdered and dumped in similar ways. If murder is such a common occurance for high risk women in Jennings, where are the murders of other women who can't be linked to these 8? Why don't we see a rash of reports of women shot to death in their homes? Or beat to death leaving bars?

    These 8 women must have had more in common than their high risk lifestyles, and the fact that they all knew one another. So what common denominators, other than that, can we find? Let's see...

    1. Frankie Richard. They all knew him, and by his own admission, he slept with most of these women. He claims he didn't sleep with Brittney because she was just a child...I don't believe that for a second.But anyway, we know that FR, at one time, ran or owned strip clubs in Lake Arthur that served as fronts for prostitution, so in my mind, it's no great stretch to think he was running a prostitution ring in Jennings. Does that add up to murder? No. Unless there's more to the story.

    2. Teresa Gary. She knew all of the victims. Not much of a reason for murder, is it? I do think she brought many of these women into prostitution (jmo), and probably encouraged their drug use, but apart from that, I can't see TG being connected to the murders of these women.

    3. The Andrews St. House. All of the victims, as well as Teresa Gary and Frankie Richard, frequented this house. On the face of it, one might think "Well, so what? It was a known drug house (allegedly) and they were all know drug addicts (allegedly)." But there's alot more to this house than just that. All the local chatter about this house (and believe me, there's ALOT of chatter!) is that the activities in that house went on in front of everyone, blatantly...everyone knew. And yet, we never really see LE swooping in there and cleaning house, do we? But we do have reports from locals (take them as truth or rumor) that members of LE were at that house all the time. Sometimes in uniform, sometimes not. Sometimes late at night. Maybe they were doing "undercover" work. Who knows? (ahem) But anyway, setting all the local chatter aside for a moment, we do have some known facts here that we can use to draw our own conculsions: this house was a haven for drug activity, it was well known by everyone, and it went on for a long time without being stopped by LE. Conclude away.

    4. LE. Do alittle digging, and I'll bet you guys will be surprised how many of these girls can be connected to members of law enforcement. I won't put it all out on forum, but it's there for all to see. Apart from the obvious connections, though, let's consider some not so obvious connections for a moment. Muggy Brown, for example, is said by many to have done "ride alongs" with MJ. Her body is later discovered near a police firing range by none other than MJ. Crystal Zeno was last seen at Phillips 66 placing a call to LE. According to Kirk Menard, Kristin was last seen at the corner of W Academy Ave and Clara street where she placed a call to LE.
    And then we have this mindboggling post from Baffled:

    hi everyone i have something to add about necole last year when they picked up my daughter an quetioned her about brittanys murder...
    http://murderinjdp.49.forumer.com/vi...php?f=91&t=100

    And then, of course, we have Paula Guillory (who "loses" evidence against FR), Det. Warren Gary who buys a truck suspected in being connected to the murder of Kristin Lopez, jail warden Terrie Guillory (Paula's ex, and Necole's first cousin) who accompanies Warren Gary and Connie Silar to the bank to complete the money transaction for the sale of the truck, etc. etc. (I could go on and on.)

    But,I'll stop here. Because....well, just because.
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    One more quick thing...any chance Loretta Chaisson was related to Welsh police chief Tommy Chaisson? Anyone know?
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    MK;

    Post 17 asks me for login when I go to the link (your number 4). Does it require registration? I haven't registered to other boards, although it might be good to do so. (Should we trust what Kirk Menard says being that it is a huge conflict of interest?)

    All of your questions for my negative thinking self, result in who is the common denominator in all of this. I'm sure locals know, but can we trace it back to one or two?

    Don't know if L. Chaisson is related to chief Tommy, but am willing to bet so. (Another small town awful thing I do not want to say out loud. Think of Atilla.)

    Good thing is, once all of this got some attention, so far it seems it has stopped. Or has it? Has everything else connected just been said not to be. There is one big bad man, or group, in Jennings. More national attention would help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21merc7 View Post
    MK;

    Post 17 asks me for login when I go to the link (your number 4). Does it require registration? I haven't registered to other boards, although it might be good to do so. (Should we trust what Kirk Menard says being that it is a huge conflict of interest?)

    All of your questions for my negative thinking self, result in who is the common denominator in all of this. I'm sure locals know, but can we trace it back to one or two?

    3.Don't know if L. Chaisson is related to chief Tommy, but am willing to bet so. (Another small town awful thing I do not want to say out loud. Think of Atilla.)

    Good thing is, once all of this got some attention, so far it seems it has stopped. Or has it? Has everything else connected just been said not to be. There is one big bad man, or group, in Jennings. More national attention would help.
    1. Yes, you do have to register to read and post on that site. Like the JDPkiller site, it's run by G8tergirl, and is really just a forum extension of the JDPkiller site

    2. I think Kirk's information is pretty reliable. I certainly don't think he throws information out there unless he's checked it out thoroughly.

    3. I also think certain locals who post on that site have ALOT of valuable information to offer. Others, imo, are either full of spit or attention seekers. My approach was to simply read for awhile, get a feel for regular posters, and then check into some of what they had to say to see if they were spot on or not. Some of the posters I've found to be the most reliable in terms of accurate information are G8tergirl, Kirk Menard, Alou, ea, Mysterious, Baffled, Popeye, Silencedogood, Shiela's Daughter, Brittney's sister, and a few others I can't recall off the top of my head right now.
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    Mountain Kat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiceforever View Post
    Mountain Kat!
    Very strange that Baffled's daughter would be brought in for questioning regarding Brittney, and shown a pic of Necole, who was at that time, very much alive.

    Still rolling that one around in my brain. And KM also just happens to film Necole prior to her going missing? Did KM and LE know something was going to go down with Necole? If so, what was it? If not...that's one heck of a bizarre set of coincidences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    KM also just happens to film Necole prior to her going missing? Did KM and LE know something was going to go down with Necole? If so, what was it? If not...that's one heck of a bizarre set of coincidences.
    KM had set up surveillance on the Andrews Street house based upon a theory that [that] place linked all of the victims ( link )



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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowraiths View Post
    KM had set up surveillance on the Andrews Street house based upon a theory that [that] place linked all of the victims ( link )
    I know. But it's still strange that he gets video of Necole shortly before her death, and Baffled's daughter is shown a pic of Necole shortly before her death. Makes me wonder if there's more to things than we're being told. It's my suspicious nature, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    Very strange that Baffled's daughter would be brought in for questioning regarding Brittney, and shown a pic of Necole, who was at that time, very much alive.

    Still rolling that one around in my brain. And KM also just happens to film Necole prior to her going missing? Did KM and LE know something was going to go down with Necole? If so, what was it? If not...that's one heck of a bizarre set of coincidences.
    It sure is! I have to wonder if anybody tried to warn her, obviously no one did anything to protect her. SMH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    I know. But it's still strange that he gets video of Necole shortly before her death, and Baffled's daughter is shown a pic of Necole shortly before her death. Makes me wonder if there's more to things than we're being told. It's my suspicious nature, I guess.
    somebody had to have dropped a "tip" to be on alert--maybe another girl tied to the "house"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    I know. But it's still strange that he gets video of Necole shortly before her death, and Baffled's daughter is shown a pic of Necole shortly before her death. Makes me wonder if there's more to things than we're being told. It's my suspicious nature, I guess.
    I agree it is strange. I also think it is very strange how the connection to KM's daughter went unnoticed by him at first.

    I cant wrap my head arround a PI being asked to investigate a case and not making the connection to the area ,house,people and his daughters case which was according to an article posted upthread proceding thought the legal system with arrest and charges having been brought .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    I agree it is strange. I also think it is very strange how the connection to KM's daughter went unnoticed by him at first.

    I cant wrap my head arround a PI being asked to investigate a case and not making the connection to the area ,house,people and his daughters case which was according to an article posted upthread proceding thought the legal system with arrest and charges having been brought .
    I absolutely agree with you, SM. No disrespect to Kirk, but I find that very difficult to believe.

    On the other hand, it is possible that Kirk got involved in this case prior to the discovery of Muggy Brown. If that was the case, then I can see where he might not be aware that there was a connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    I absolutely agree with you, SM. No disrespect to Kirk, but I find that very difficult to believe.

    On the other hand, it is possible that Kirk got involved in this case prior to the discovery of Muggy Brown. If that was the case, then I can see where he might not be aware that there was a connection.

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    VERY difficult to believe--maybe someone that has contacted him previously(MK?/JF?) can ask him when he got onboard---either way, he HAD to at least make the connection to the area

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriminalMinds View Post
    VERY difficult to believe--maybe someone that has contacted him previously(MK?/JF?) can ask him when he got onboard---either way, he HAD to at least make the connection to the area
    I thought KM lived in Jennings? Or at least grew up in Jennings. Am I mistaken?
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