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    I didn't know it was either. What happened?


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    Honestly, at this point in time I don't care that much. I'll wait till the trial, should reopen then. I'm tired too. Goodnight.


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    Oh dear. 70+ pages of posts from the time my migraine forced me off online.

    For those who requested the medical examiner testified the third day - a link to trial testimony:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ View Post
    Agreed! I won't get verified either. It would prevent me from stating my honest opinions in a frank and honest way. It would be very unprofessional for me to do so

    All I need us an IMO and its all good!


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    So there ya go. If you and I were verified, we'd have this locked down. Until then, we're just two Jersey chicks who had high hair in the 80's and now have too much time on our hands! Well, I really don't have too much time on my hands, but I make time to be inanely irrelevant to the process

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    I have a thought that's probably been mentioned but I haven't come across it. I hesitate to mention it because it's about the casing and where it was found, and I sure don't want to start the "which wound was first" debate.
    The casing may have been floated up like filling a bathtub with a floating toy or a pool with a raft. The item is on the bottom. When the fluid (blood or water) reaches the item it "lifts" it and the item rests on the surface.
    (okay, so it's not a mind-blowing revelation, lol)

    I'm soooooo ready for the tomatoes...let 'em rip!


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    Quote Originally Posted by smart blonde View Post
    I'm just a hotel front desk clerk.

    I'm just kicking back, waiting for the day when something happens at a hotel front desk, so that I can finally get verified, too!

    When that day comes, it just may prove to be my proudest moment.
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    Lisa Perry testified there was no blood on the top of the casing FWIW. (In my mind there'd be at least residue even if gravity weighted the blood but hey, I'm no CSI. )
    "Emotional abuse isn't calling someone a name; it isn't simply raising your voice at someone you're meant to love...it's a concerted effort, a campaign, designed with the sole purpose of destruction. Your destruction. Emotional abuse crushes your spirit. It steals a piece of your soul. It changes everything about you and how you interact with others. You are never the same having survived it. In its wake, you question everything you ever thought you knew. You wonder what's wrong with you. You believe you aren't worth loving. You doubt yourself - constantly. And you learn to live with scars no one sees."


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    Quote Originally Posted by christee View Post
    OMG I'm not alone!

    How cool! That makes us both verified experts in waiting!

    I try to follow these threads in between the busy times, checking in guests. Easy to get distracted. I think that explains why so many of my posts don't really even make sense!
    .... ....... My posts are my opinion, only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    The very fact that this portion of his brain was mush I would think would support the fact that there was significant brain damage from the bullet.

    If you listen to the doctor's testimony it will become clear that he did say for 100% certainty that he knows what type of damage was done to TA's brain from that bullet passing through and ending up where it did. I tend to believe him because of the number of autopsies he has performed and the fact that he has a medical degree. Not sure why there is so much mistrust of his findings. jmo
    Not to be gross, but the brain liquifies shortly after death - no matter what the cause of death was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritsKate View Post
    Lisa Perry testified there was no blood on the top of the casing FWIW. (In my mind there'd be at least residue even if gravity weighted the blood but hey, I'm no CSI. )
    No tomatoes!

    I know it's far-fetched but it worked when I tried it in the bathtub!


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    Quote Originally Posted by smart blonde View Post
    How cool! That makes us both verified experts in waiting!

    I try to follow these threads in between the busy times, checking in guests. Easy to get distracted. I think that explains why so many of my posts don't really even make sense!
    I feel your pain



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    Quote Originally Posted by johunt View Post
    Oh geeze I should have known this would come back at me...there are many gun shot wounds to the head and people live. I'm not sure how to articulate this but to say this ME said that decomp played a roll that he wasnt sure of, so therefore he had to go based on an EDUCATED guess. After all he hasent experienced this himself so he has to go on what? Still be sure of my position that she is guilty I just can't see JA overpowering TA with a knife IF he saw it coming so ALL I'm saying is gun shot first. NOT JA innocent!
    First, I am not attacking you. However, I am curious... have you actually listened to ALL of the ME's testimony? He explained this in a very detailed manner. Just because the brain was decomposing, he still knows what part of the brain would have been there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christee View Post
    No tomatoes!

    I know it's far-fetched but it worked when I tried it in the bathtub!
    Um, okay. If you were using a .25 casing and human blood I believe you might be going above and beyond the call of duty in Websleuths experimentation.

    (StephanieW was dragging her poor husband through the house to prove she could; Nurse kept a pizza box in her trunk during summer; and I wore my daughter's two sizes too small shoes! The things we do for our cases, I tell ya! )
    "Emotional abuse isn't calling someone a name; it isn't simply raising your voice at someone you're meant to love...it's a concerted effort, a campaign, designed with the sole purpose of destruction. Your destruction. Emotional abuse crushes your spirit. It steals a piece of your soul. It changes everything about you and how you interact with others. You are never the same having survived it. In its wake, you question everything you ever thought you knew. You wonder what's wrong with you. You believe you aren't worth loving. You doubt yourself - constantly. And you learn to live with scars no one sees."


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    Quote Originally Posted by BritsKate View Post
    Um, okay. If you were using a .25 casing and human blood I believe you might be going above and beyond the call of duty in Websleuths experimentation.

    (StephanieW was dragging her poor husband through the house to prove she could; Nurse kept a pizza box in her trunk during summer; and I wore my daughter's two sizes too small shoes! The things we do for our cases, I tell ya! )
    If I had a .25 casing I would definitely try it!
    Hmmm...I do have a shotgun shell


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    Here's the curriculum vitae of our good doctor, for those interested. And I'm not posting it just because it also has a picture of him. Really. No, really.

    http://path.upmc.edu/people/residents/horn/horn-cv.html

    As an aside though I believe the ME's testimony is only part of the puzzle. Initially there was some confusion as to which wound came first. Even the lead detective assumed the GSW was first because logically it should be. However blood spatter analysis in addition to ME testimony seems to suggest it was the stab to the chest, followed by multiple stab wounds, slit throat and finally the gunshot.
    "Emotional abuse isn't calling someone a name; it isn't simply raising your voice at someone you're meant to love...it's a concerted effort, a campaign, designed with the sole purpose of destruction. Your destruction. Emotional abuse crushes your spirit. It steals a piece of your soul. It changes everything about you and how you interact with others. You are never the same having survived it. In its wake, you question everything you ever thought you knew. You wonder what's wrong with you. You believe you aren't worth loving. You doubt yourself - constantly. And you learn to live with scars no one sees."


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    I firmly believe JA chose the knife because it wouldn't be heard by anyone. The gun was purely her back-up and she felt forced to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritsKate View Post
    Here's the curriculum vitae of our good doctor, for those interested. And I'm not posting it just because it also has a picture of him. Really. No, really.

    http://path.upmc.edu/people/residents/horn/horn-cv.html

    As an aside though I believe the ME's testimony is only part of the puzzle. Initially there was some confusion as to which wound came first. Even the lead detective assumed the GSW was first because logically it should be. However blood spatter analysis in addition to ME testimony seems to suggest it was the stab to the chest, followed by multiple stab wounds, slit throat and finally the gunshot.
    Good grief that list hasn't been updated since 1999!!?
    I'm thinking the dude knows his stuff, i.e., he has an impressive list of qualifications.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GobBluth View Post
    If the jurors are having reactions AT ALL similar to ours, the defense should be very worried.

    I am nervous to see how the defense is going to spin all of this. They are going to brutalize poor Travis all over again, I fear. I believe that this will backfire horribly, but what other strategy have they been left with, thanks to Jodi?

    I am just stunned by this calculating manipulative lying murderer. Stunned.
    I really like you. That's all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield View Post
    I have not heard about the bullet case, but I do know if the gun was a semi-automatic, the casing would fly out of the gun onto the floor. It could go quite a few feet in any direction depending on how she held the gun. When she finally dragged him back to the shower, blood could have easily got on the casing.
    No blood on the casing but there was plenty underneath it. This is a good photo showing the casing:


    Quote Originally Posted by m00c0w View Post
    I'm somewhat in agreement. I think she wanted to go "convince" him that she was the one, and if he disagreed, maybe go out Romeo and Juliet style. I don't think she intended to kill him while driving there, but was prepared for that scenario. I think she wanted to see how things went and was sure she'd be able to win him back. And obviously, things didn't go as expected.
    To my mind even preparing for such a scenario is intending to kill someone. The only other case I remember such resolute premeditation was when the perpetrator dug a hole for the body prior to murdering the victim. JMO

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ View Post
    No, she's not and never was legally insane
    Not to even begin to mention the legal burden to prove insanity is incredibly high. Precious few defendants are successful with such a claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by johunt View Post
    Ok I don't believe I'm saying this but it seems shooting first would be easy. Meaning less chance of TA defending himself and more chance of her gaining the upper hand. I'm just thinking TA could see knife and deflect it in time unless his eyes were closed. I'm not sure why but in her lie I think she may have told the truth, she shot him first stunning him and then went for the knife.
    He was wet, naked, and with someone he trusted enough to have in his home. I don't see why the element of surprise couldn't have factored in here.

    Quote Originally Posted by wenwe4 View Post
    Jodi mentioned Travis used to shave the old fashioned way . . . another poster postulated earlier today that he might have used an old straight edge razor.... maybe she just meant he didn't use an electric razor. One thing for sure . . . I would hope he wouldn't use a straight razor when doing his manscaping (oh my!)

    I don't remember seeing any razors on the sink area . . . .they might have been put away - anyone remember if there was a brush and shaving cream cup or anything of the like?

    ETA - I guess a straight razor would not have left the puncture wounds though
    Travis' Myspace profile picture shows him using a run of the mill razor (not straight).

    Quote Originally Posted by christee View Post
    I firmly believe JA chose the knife because it wouldn't be heard by anyone. The gun was purely her back-up and she felt forced to use it.

    JMO
    I agree and I believe the tassel and fibers collected back this theory. (Pillow as silencer.)
    "Emotional abuse isn't calling someone a name; it isn't simply raising your voice at someone you're meant to love...it's a concerted effort, a campaign, designed with the sole purpose of destruction. Your destruction. Emotional abuse crushes your spirit. It steals a piece of your soul. It changes everything about you and how you interact with others. You are never the same having survived it. In its wake, you question everything you ever thought you knew. You wonder what's wrong with you. You believe you aren't worth loving. You doubt yourself - constantly. And you learn to live with scars no one sees."


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    Dang it! I swore I would never get involved in another trial. I got sucked in to this one. I read on another forum last night, and I happen to agree.... There is most definitely a "Deadly Women" episode in Jodi's future.

    I swear, I keep expecting the state to show pictures of a boiling bunny soon.

    I happen to believe she used the knife first. Stabbed him a few times, he made it to the sink, she started stabbing him again. He tried to get down the hall. They were struggling. He couldn't run but he was trying to protect himself (maybe) and was crawling down the hallway. She probably ran in the bedroom and got the gun out of her purse then shot him. She might have shot him b/c she didn't think he was dying quick enough or was scared he wasn't dying at all b/c he was still moving.

    Watching her interviews yesterday made me think of that quote: I have the right to remain silent, but not the ability.

    It was painful to watch. I felt terrible for Travis' family. Heartbroken. I can't imagine the hell they are living right now and I know it's going to get worse as this goes on. I pray that the Good Lord gives them strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritsKate View Post


    Travis' Myspace profile picture shows him using a run of the mill razor (not straight).


    I agree and I believe the tassel and fibers collected back this theory. (Pillow as silencer.)

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    I can't see the picture that well, but if the razor is silver (usually stainless steel)...it is a straight razor. My hubby uses them. It looks like a regular razor, but it's not. It's loaded with a straight blade.

    My hubby has the one that looks like a switchblade, but he also has one that looks like a regular razor. You just get a straight blade and pop it in. Some men feel more comfortable using straight edges that way b/c it has a safety device on it. The razorblade type is pretty scary to use. LOL

    Most men keep the soap/soap bowl/ and blades in something instead of out on the counter. There are nice devices you can buy to display them on your counters, though. My husband swears he wouldn't ever use disposable razors again.

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    Reminder for all new members we cannot sleuth peeps that aren't named victim or perpetrator (with a few case specific exceptions) BUT for those wondering who Dustin & Ashley Thompson are (cell records were court ordered according to Mesa PD) Ashley is a friend of Travis' on Myspace.

    You can't sleuth her though. So take it FWIW.
    "Emotional abuse isn't calling someone a name; it isn't simply raising your voice at someone you're meant to love...it's a concerted effort, a campaign, designed with the sole purpose of destruction. Your destruction. Emotional abuse crushes your spirit. It steals a piece of your soul. It changes everything about you and how you interact with others. You are never the same having survived it. In its wake, you question everything you ever thought you knew. You wonder what's wrong with you. You believe you aren't worth loving. You doubt yourself - constantly. And you learn to live with scars no one sees."


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    1. Can someone think of a temporary medical condition I can have to allow me a leave of absence from work M-Th afternoons for 3 months? I'm never going to catch up with this trial at night!

    2. What's the Iphone app that has been discussed? I may try listening at work and hiding my ear phones so nobody can see!

    Keep up the good discussions!

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    Has the autopsy report been released? I did some google searching but caught glimpses of the photos (which I don't want to see). Is the text of the report available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollinginit View Post
    RSBM
    I can't see the picture that well, but if the razor is silver (usually stainless steel)...it is a straight razor. My hubby uses them. It looks like a regular razor, but it's not. It's loaded with a straight blade.

    My hubby has the one that looks like a switchblade, but he also has one that looks like a regular razor. You just get a straight blade and pop it in. Some men feel more comfortable using straight edges that way b/c it has a safety device on it. The razorblade type is pretty scary to use. LOL

    Most men keep the soap/soap bowl/ and blades in something instead of out on the counter. There are nice devices you can buy to display them on your counters, though. My husband swears he wouldn't ever use disposable razors again.
    Never used one but this is what I consider a straight razor:


    It's pretty easy to tell because you hold the blade differently. To me the Myspace pic looks to be a Schick, Gillette, etc. one would pick up at Walgreen's. That being said you could well be right.
    "Emotional abuse isn't calling someone a name; it isn't simply raising your voice at someone you're meant to love...it's a concerted effort, a campaign, designed with the sole purpose of destruction. Your destruction. Emotional abuse crushes your spirit. It steals a piece of your soul. It changes everything about you and how you interact with others. You are never the same having survived it. In its wake, you question everything you ever thought you knew. You wonder what's wrong with you. You believe you aren't worth loving. You doubt yourself - constantly. And you learn to live with scars no one sees."


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    Quote Originally Posted by BrownRice View Post
    1. Can someone think of a temporary medical condition I can have to allow me a leave of absence from work M-Th afternoons for 3 months? I'm never going to catch up with this trial at night!

    2. What's the Iphone app that has been discussed? I may try listening at work and hiding my ear phones so nobody can see!

    Keep up the good discussions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fruity View Post
    Has the autopsy report been released? I did some google searching but caught glimpses of the photos (which I don't want to see). Is the text of the report available?
    The text of the report isn't available that I know of. If you'd like the bulk of the ME's testimony though without photos to worry about you can check out this blog. http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com...ial-day-three/
    "Emotional abuse isn't calling someone a name; it isn't simply raising your voice at someone you're meant to love...it's a concerted effort, a campaign, designed with the sole purpose of destruction. Your destruction. Emotional abuse crushes your spirit. It steals a piece of your soul. It changes everything about you and how you interact with others. You are never the same having survived it. In its wake, you question everything you ever thought you knew. You wonder what's wrong with you. You believe you aren't worth loving. You doubt yourself - constantly. And you learn to live with scars no one sees."


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    Quote Originally Posted by BritsKate View Post
    Never used one but this is what I consider a straight razor:


    It's pretty easy to tell because you hold the blade differently. To me the Myspace pic looks to be a Schick, Gillette, etc. one would pick up at Walgreen's. That being said you could well be right.
    Yes, that's one and this is one. They both use straight razors.


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