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    Media thread for Abby and Libby.


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    I was surprised to see that this isn’t being discussed here (Or maybe it is somewhere and I’ve missed it LOL) . I haven’t watched- it’s taping right now I plan to watch in the morning.


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    Thanks for the link Tulessa. I found this comment by Cheney Mason interesting.

    Defense attorney Cheney Mason says the evidence did not establish how, when or where Caylee died.
    Since when does the prosecution have to establish how, when or where a murder victim died?

    They only have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused murdered the victim. In many cases,like this one,that is achieved using circumstantial evidence.

    Murderers should not get a pass because they conceal the way they killed the victim or the time or the place that the murder occurred.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/enter...011-story.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    Thanks for the link Tulessa. I found this comment by Cheney Mason interesting.



    Since when does the prosecution have to establish how, when or where a murder victim died?

    They only have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused murdered the victim. In many cases,like this one,that is achieved using circumstantial evidence.

    Murderers should not get a pass because they conceal the way they killed the victim or the time or the place that the murder occurred.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/enter...011-story.html
    That annoyed me too. Wasn't surprised---still cannot believe she didn't get anything for child neglect at the least...still angers me

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    I think this is where the judge really made a mistake in allowing the defense to “instruct “ the jury on points of law. Sure you can bring up that you don’t think the prosecution has established X, Y, or Z, but he shouldn’t have been allowed to tell the jury what they “had to have” for a conviction.
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    There is nothing in Common Law that permits defense attorneys to lie and accuse others without evidence. The minute Baez started accusing George and the meter-reader (!) he should have been taken off the case, put into custody, and charged with criminal libel and slander if he could not back up his claims.

    This isn't the 1970s. Forensic evidence shows up the lies of criminals and their attorneys again and again. It is time to hold defense attorneys personally, legally, financially, and criminally responsible for not only the actions of their clients but their own lying words.

    If a defense attorney gets a serial rapist off on a technicality, and that rapist goes out and rapes again, not only should the rapist be put in prison forever, but the attorney must be punished too. We are done with amoral devil's advocate liars. Charge them wtih obstruction of justice, take their law degree away, and give everything they own to the families of the victims.

    Punish the criminals and their protectors, hard.

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    I walked away from this forum after the verdict and haven't been back until now. I was so angry and heartsick and couldn't wrap my head around the fact that she got away with it. So many mistakes, but in my mind, though there were mistakes on so many levels, it was Judge Perry, and his fear of an appeal, who let this happen. Time has not softened my feelings about any of this.

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    I might be inclined to say that it was the miss on the "foolproof suffocation"....but I want to get ahead of that; I think it was jury selection. Allowing a juror in who stated she could not give the death penalty in sentencing phase but was still impaneled simply because she was a minority...blows my mind.
    And the rush job throughout voir dire, Judge Perry lecturing about $ constantly. All absurd.
    You can argue the details of the case-in-chief all day long, but explain to me how that jury did not even convict her on child neglect when her defense was that she neglected her child in a pool? Nullification because they were put out by being selected. They had cruises to attend, after all.
    I could actually go back earlier and suggest Judge Strickland never have recused himself, but that's my own personal pipe dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jayla View Post
    I might be inclined to say that it was the miss on the "foolproof suffocation"....but I want to get ahead of that; I think it was jury selection. Allowing a juror in who stated she could not give the death penalty in sentencing phase but was still impaneled simply because she was a minority...blows my mind.
    And the rush job throughout voir dire, Judge Perry lecturing about $ constantly. All absurd.
    You can argue the details of the case-in-chief all day long, but explain to me how that jury did not even convict her on child neglect when her defense was that she neglected her child in a pool? Nullification because they were put out by being selected. They had cruises to attend, after all.
    I could actually go back earlier and suggest Judge Strickland never have recused himself, but that's my own personal pipe dream.
    I agree this case was shot with jury selection. All Caylee needed was one person willing to do their civic duty, actually care about whether they were letting a murderer back out on the streets again and hang the jury and she would have been at least given another chance at justice.

    Instead a bunch of lazy fools were seated. I blame Judge Perry for that. The defense, repulsive as they were, did what they were supposed to in jury selection, the prosecution did what they were supposed to during jury selection.

    Judge Perry was the only one making bizarre decisions such as not allowing the prosecution to strike a juror who said her religion didn't allow her to judge people, and talking about raiding the homeless shelters for potential jurors if they weren't able to seat a jury with the prospective jurors available.

    This does not, however, mean I think the defense did what they were supposed to at trial. Baez broke all sorts of rules. He should have been held responsible for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    Thanks for the link Tulessa. I found this comment by Cheney Mason interesting.



    Since when does the prosecution have to establish how, when or where a murder victim died?

    They only have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused murdered the victim. In many cases,like this one,that is achieved using circumstantial evidence.

    Murderers should not get a pass because they conceal the way they killed the victim or the time or the place that the murder occurred.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/enter...011-story.html
    They don't. It says in black and white in the jury instructions that they don't. Too bad that "jury" had no critical thinking skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebLynnA View Post
    I walked away from this forum after the verdict and haven't been back until now. I was so angry and heartsick and couldn't wrap my head around the fact that she got away with it. So many mistakes, but in my mind, though there were mistakes on so many levels, it was Judge Perry, and his fear of an appeal, who let this happen. Time has not softened my feelings about any of this.

    I'm the same as you. And i refuse to watch anything made about it since. It really affects my levels of rage everytime i see anything about that family, then my heart breaks a little all over again for wee Caylee. Hopefully one day a brilliant new piece of evidence will unfold here to get a conviction and Caylee can then truely RIP. I commend the people here who worked as hard as the law to try and help get justice.

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