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    PA - Joy Hibbs, 36, Bristol Township, 19 April 1991

    This article was mentioned in another thread, due to the circumstances surrounding Joy;s death. She was stabbed and then her body was set on fire.

    Apparently, her son, who discovered her body, came home from school, tried to enter the house and black smoke billowed out the door.

    Joy's husband was ruled out, as he had been at work, where fellow construction workers validated that he was working. Here is the article this information comes from:

    http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/crim...c93906330.html

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    In an hour, David Hibbs learned his mother was dead. In two days, he found out someone strangled and stabbed her before setting fire to their Bristol Township home.
    Joy Hibbs, 36, died in her son's bedroom - one of his computer's cords wrapped around her neck. Her killing, which occurred 20 years ago this month, remains unsolved.

    For years, the case has been cold, stymied from the beginning by a charred and waterlogged crime scene, police said. The closest the cops came to a suspect was a pot dealer who knew Joy Hibbs and her husband, according to retired Bristol Township Detective Lieutenant Richard Bilson. An alibi and the lack of hard evidence ended their pursuit of the man, Bilson said.
    But David Hibbs is far from satisfied with the efforts of Bristol Township police. He wants to know what happened to the evidence, which according to 1991 news accounts included a flannel shirt, possibly stained with blood, which had been tossed into a closet and didn't belong to his father.


    Charlie Hibbs worked construction; Joy at the front desk of Dr. Leon Cattolico's medical practice in Bensalem. The doctor said he hired her on the spot.
    "Everybody in the office loved her," said Dr. Cattolico, who now lives in Arizona. "So did the patients. When this happened, it was just dreadful. It hurt my office staff and my family."

    Guilt consumed her son. She died in his room. He thought he did something wrong, like leave his computer on too long, causing her to die trying to extinguish the blaze.
    But an autopsy the following day revealed that Joy Hibbs was strangled and stabbed five times - in the neck, back, stomach and abdomen. Smoke from the fire never entered her lungs.

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    There is more information in the article, but unfortunately no leads. I am hoping some of you wonderful Websleuthers can find more information on this case!
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    http://articles.philly.com/1991-07-2...late-neighbors

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    The murder of Joy Hibbs, 36, on a narrow street of trim homes and neat lawns in the Croydon Acres section of Bristol Township, Bucks County, has baffled police, who say they have no suspect, no motive and no clues.

    The slaying occurred on a warm, sunny Friday between noon and 1 p.m.

    Several of her neighbors on Spencer Drive, where the houses are only 12 to 15 feet apart, were home that day with doors and windows open.

    A few were outside and within yards of the death struggle.

    Yet none of them heard or saw any sign of the violence inside.

    The last people to see her before the killer may have been two men from Bensalem Baptist Church, who visited that morning to talk and pray with her on an evangelizing visit.

    Detective Lt. Richard Bilson said the Bristol Township police were stymied. His five-inch-thick file on the case offers few clues.

    "It's unusual when you don't have something to go on," he said.

    The only thing out of the ordinary that two neighbors saw that day was a car they didn't recognize parked three feet from the curb in front of Hibbs' house: a 1980s-model, dark-blue Chevrolet Monte Carlo.

    Bilson said they did not notice the license plate of the car, which was seen at 12:30 and gone by 1 p.m.

    "I can't even say for sure the car was involved in the case. All I know is it didn't belong to anyone who lived on the street. But chances are whoever drove the car had something to do with it."

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    Although three months have passed since Joy Hibbs was killed, the neighborhood is still filled with fear.

    "My daughter-in-law was in the back yard playing with the dogs, and she didn't hear anything. Not a sound," said Rose Craft, 55, who lives next door to the Hibbs house. "That's one of the things that makes it so scary. Somebody got in and out so quickly and killed her without making a sound."
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    Same family picture posted here:

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    There was an article about this case in the Huffington Post today (3/26/14). I hope I'm allowed to post the link to it:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4991710.html

    In reading the article I wonder about the pot dealer who wouldn't take a polygraph, because he complained of a "torn nerve in my shoulder".

    Did LE check this out and make sure it wasn't a stab wound in his shoulder instead?

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    From the Huffington Post article:
    "I've grown up feeling like there is always something missing," David Hibbs said. "I feel cheated by the person that did this. I want people to ask questions about what happened. I want them to care about what happened. I want them to care that police could not solve it and I want them to be outraged by that."

    Anyone with information about the murder of Joy Hibbs is asked to contact the Bristol Township Police Department at (215) 788-8289.

    Angie, Joy and David Hibbs


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    I won't criticize LE because what do I know? I wasn't there. But it is hard to believe this case is unsolved.

    Reasons:
    -- Neighbors at home; people working outdoors
    -- Brief window of time
    -- eyewitness description of a car at the home
    -- eyewitness account of a "garbage man" walking around to the back of the house

    Timeline:

    8:30 a.m. (approx.) -- Joy drives the kids to school, then cashes her paycheck at a local bank.

    9:53 a.m. -- Leaves the bank, and heads to grocery store.

    10:54 a.m. -- Leaves the store and drives home

    11:00 a.m. (approx.) -- Baptist minister and associate pay a visit to Joy at home. The leave "just before noon".

    Noon-1:00 p.m. -- Neighbor saw garbage man walk to the back of the house.

    12:30-1:00 p.m. -- Neighbor spots an 80's model, dark blue, Chevrolet Monte Carlo parked in front of the Hibbs home.

    1:00 p.m. -- David Hibbs arrives home from school, and finds the house on fire.
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    Did they ever find the owner of the Monte Carlo?

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    Yes. That was Robert Adkins.. Apparently they did by some small amounts of pot together.

    This is so sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta View Post
    Yes. That was Robert Adkins.. Apparently they did by some small amounts of pot together.

    This is so sad.
    That's uncertain. The neighbor adamantly denied Adkins' car was the same one seen at the house. Also, Adkins was out of town with his family at the time of the murder.
    "He was in the Poconos," said Bilson. "I sent two detectives up there to where he was staying, along with a photo of him, and my detectives came back and said they had verified he had been there at the time of the murder."
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4991710.html

    Adkins did admit that he used to buy small amounts of marijuana for his own use, and the Adkins would sometimes give him money to purchase some for them, also.
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    Thanks bessie. It was also reported that a garbage man was seen going behind the house. but that it was not followed up on.
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    I remember that case

    Its important to note this is all speculation based upon several articles about the crime, I apologize in advance for the long post

    Sadly this is another instance, of too little evidence, even if they were to develop a suspect, it seems they'd be hard pressed to prosecute, because of lack of evidence

    But also I have a hard time believing someone doesn't have more information about this crime

    No noise to me would indicate she was strangled, 1st, and it doesn't seem as if this was planned, since it was an electrical cord, I assume originated from within the residence itself. Now there were stab wounds to the victims neck, which could mean she was incapacitated and unable to make a sound , then strangled, .

    The stabbing, itself could have different meanings, though it sounds like she was most likely stabbed after she had been strangled, to unconsciousness, or to death. Its possible her killer did that to "finish her off" because she was still alive, its also possible it was done to make sure she was dead post strangulation.

    Which poses another interesting question, IF homicide WERE the motive, why didn't her killer bring a weapon (unless the knife was brought)

    What it does not appear is that it was done to "destroy her" as one would expect several deep penetrating mutilating wounds to the face , neck and chest, representing hatred.

    Now this is all based on the theory that she would've fought violently against an attacker, especially one that was stabbing her

    Another thing is the high lethality placement of the stab wounds, and the concentrated areas they are located in.. not spread over her body as if she was fighting with her attacker, (think Ron Goldman) more as if she was already incapacitated to some point

    The impression given by her husband is that she would've fought an attacker, so Id assume, if she had a struggle with an intruder per se' someone, would've heard something, though its entirely possible that they would not either.

    Which leads me (at least) to speculate, that her killer was most likely someone she knew or was familiar with. Someone she would let into the house , especially occurring in the middle of the day in broad daylight.

    It would be important to note where the weapon that caused the stab wounds originated from, for instance, was it from their own kitchen, or did her killer bring the weapon, and remove it as well.

    The use of 2 separate weapons is interesting, especially if the extension cord was from the residence itself , though it could indicate several possibilities,
    -inexperience
    -immaturity
    -lack of physical ability to kill the victim, by one method
    - morbid curiosity
    - it could also indicate the possibility of more than one killer

    Some reports say she was laying on the floor of the bedroom, some say the bed itself , this is a significant finding, especially since the coroner, states he believes she was not sexually assaulted ante or post mortem...though I'm unsure about the significance of the room she was found in, the fact she was found on the bed, could indicate some connection to the victim (personal etc..) it would be pertinent to note if they could determine if she was covered over by something for example a sheet or blanket (flannel shirt?) ... sometimes known as "undoing" when a killer feels remorse for what he/she has done, for any variety of reasons, most often because they knew them .

    The floor may indicate another, though the same conclusion could be drawn from any post mortem undoing ..

    in some aspects the fire itself could be seen as a method of "undoing"

    One article says nothing of value was taken, except possibly 70 dollars that could've been burned in the fire, which law enforcement didn't consider significant. Which leads the reader to believe this wasn't a robbery, or a burglary gone wrong. Unless of course 70 dollars wasn't enough for someone who wanted more money .

    The apparent lack of sexual assault itself is also interesting, though its entirely possible an assault did occur, or was "attempted" her body was too badly burned to make a conclusion, though the article states, her pants, were still buttoned. SO why if she wasn't a victim of sexual assault was she killed then?

    One possibility is that a sexual assault WAS the primary motive , however was thwarted, either physically, or verbally, which lead the attacker to kill the victim, where sexual assault was no longer desirable or possible from the killers point of view, this may explain WHY she was on the bed, (if she was) .

    Why would someone who didn't know her lay her on the bed ?.. unless she was killed there , to pose her ,? maybe, but more likely because there was an aspect of "caring, or association " if you will

    The timing is also another thing, she only had an hour or less, after the clergy people left the house for all this to occur, even if her killer was already in the house, he /she would have little time, to pull it off , and yet it was JUST before David got home , which seems odd to me .

    This could also explain why she wasn't sexually assaulted, though I don't think its the case, they knew they didn't have time to clean up the evidence .

    I have a hard time envisioning, a trash collector having the time to break in , strangle /stab someone to death, set the house on fire, then get right back to work on his route without any of their co workers, noticing SOMETHING.

    The Monte Carlo is a tantalizing piece of evidence, parked haphazardly, 3 feet from the curb, but right in front of the residence, as if whomever owned it didn't mind if it was seen, most likely either because the murder wasn't planned, or poorly planned. Yet it seemed her killer knew they had to be gone before her son arrived home.

    Did her killer know he would be home soon ? maybe, but he sure knew she was alone, which to me, at least indicates, prior knowledge, or knowledge gained through surveillance

    Other possible scenarios could be stalking, which wasn't as well known back in the early 90's, or even murder for hire
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    Oh and 1 more thing, I believe whoever was responsible for this killing, was interviewed by police already, and would've demonstrated odd behavior following the crime, such as altering their appearance, or even moving to another location

    I also believe someone knows who is responsible

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    Atticus Finch: “You never really understand a person . . . until you consider things from his point of view.” To Kill A Mockingbird

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    https://www.google.com/maps/place/12...7f10a7!6m1!1e1

    1200 Spencer drive.. It is the house that is beige now.. That makes sense all the others are original.. That one is rebuilt.
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