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    Balcony?

    The more I read, the more I am interested in the fact that there is little mention of the balconies. On the morning of the 26th, did JR check all the balcony doors and windows both to JBR's bedroom and to the playroom?
    I can find nothing to indicate that he went out on the balcony that morning. I find it interesting, if in fact there was no close inspection of the CLOSEST and MOST CONTIGUOUS possible entry points to where JBR was last seen.
    Imo it seems that this would be intuitive. Possibly he did, but a supposed report menioned no footprints in the frost? Imo, I don't see how your child is taken from her bedroom, and you don't give strong consideration to the EXTERIOR door in that very bedroom.
    Then I contrast this to the apparent basement fixation. One search of the basement by JR, possibly a previous trip to the basement if he placed that chair in the way of the door, and finally when instruced by Arndt to search the house - again directly to the basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wengr View Post
    The more I read, the more I am interested in the fact that there is little mention of the balconies. On the morning of the 26th, did JR check all the balcony doors and windows both to JBR's bedroom and to the playroom?
    I can find nothing to indicate that he went out on the balcony that morning. I find it interesting, if in fact there was no close inspection of the CLOSEST and MOST CONTIGUOUS possible entry points to where JBR was last seen.
    Imo it seems that this would be intuitive. Possibly he did, but a supposed report menioned no footprints in the frost? Imo, I don't see how your child is taken from her bedroom, and you don't give strong consideration to the EXTERIOR door in that very bedroom.
    Then I contrast this to the apparent basement fixation. One search of the basement by JR, possibly a previous trip to the basement if he placed that chair in the way of the door, and finally when instruced by Arndt to search the house - again directly to the basement.
    fixation ain't apparent....i don't believe in such coincidences....this is one of those strange things about this case....so many people went down to the basement,the father,the friend,police officer yet the victim wasn't found...unbelievable!
    his trips to the basement always raised big suspicions...I also find it odd that FW went down there right after he arrived!strange,huh?
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    he didn't check because he probably knew....same re the note...it threatens not to call the cops and what did they do?not only called the cops but also half town....come on,it doesn't fit JR's profile,he is a calm,calculated man,he was used to think about consequences
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    fixation ain't apparent....i don't believe in such coincidences....this is one of those strange things about this case....so many people went down to the basement,the father,the friend,police officer yet the victim wasn't found...unbelievable!
    his trips to the basement always raised big suspicions...I also find it odd that FW went down there right after he arrived!strange,huh?
    Agreed. I find it quite odd. If the R's had no involvement, then early on the 26th they know only two things for sure - JBR last seen in her 2nd floor bedroom, and a ransom note found on stairs which connect 1st floor to 2nd floor. In this scenario, what they know to be fact has nothing to do with the basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wengr View Post
    Agreed. I find it quite odd. If the R's had no involvement, then early on the 26th they know only two things for sure - JBR last seen in her 2nd floor bedroom, and a ransom note found on stairs which connect 1st floor to 2nd floor. In this scenario, what they as know to be fact has nothing to do with the basement.
    exactly....cause if he went down there because he thought an intruder might have entered the basement through the broken window this is one of the FIRST things he would have told LE or Linda Arndt but he didn't....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wengr View Post
    The more I read, the more I am interested in the fact that there is little mention of the balconies. On the morning of the 26th, did JR check all the balcony doors and windows both to JBR's bedroom and to the playroom?
    I can find nothing to indicate that he went out on the balcony that morning. I find it interesting, if in fact there was no close inspection of the CLOSEST and MOST CONTIGUOUS possible entry points to where JBR was last seen.
    Imo it seems that this would be intuitive. Possibly he did, but a supposed report menioned no footprints in the frost? Imo, I don't see how your child is taken from her bedroom, and you don't give strong consideration to the EXTERIOR door in that very bedroom.
    Then I contrast this to the apparent basement fixation. One search of the basement by JR, possibly a previous trip to the basement if he placed that chair in the way of the door, and finally when instruced by Arndt to search the house - again directly to the basement.
    BBM wengr I'm glad you brought this up. Can someone explain this to me please? I never did understand about this chair business. TIA

    His fixation with the basement was a "tell" IMO. Arndt told him to search "top to bottom", so what does he do? Heads straight to the basement. I guess in all the excitement and stress he forgot which way was up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nom de plume View Post
    BBM wengr I'm glad you brought this up. Can someone explain this to me please? I never did understand about this chair business. TIA

    His fixation with the basement was a "tell" IMO. Arndt told him to search "top to bottom", so what does he do? Heads straight to the basement. I guess in all the excitement and stress he forgot which way was up.
    not only that be he was down there before,he ALREADY checked THAT area!why didn't he use the time to check other areas like the balcony for ex since we're talking about it

    there's something about all these trips (INCLUDING FW's)....but I just can't put my finger on it and it annoys me!also....the fact that it was JR and not FW who opened the door to the room and found her...oh he must have been so relieved that he didn't have to go alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nom de plume View Post
    BBM wengr I'm glad you brought this up. Can someone explain this to me please? I never did understand about this chair business. TIA

    His fixation with the basement was a "tell" IMO. Arndt told him to search "top to bottom", so what does he do? Heads straight to the basement. I guess in all the excitement and stress he forgot which way was up.
    Nom de plume,
    From memory the chair is anomolous. Since the intruder was meant to have exited by that door, so how come there was chair in front of it?

    Some see this as evidence that John was in the basement moving stuff about?



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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy View Post
    Nom de plume,
    From memory the chair is anomolous. Since the intruder was meant to have exited by that door, so how there was chair in front of it?

    Some see this as evidence that John was in the basement moving stuff about?



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    you just made me think of something...what if that chair was originally used in the staging (JB TIED to the chair?hands behind her back) it still doesn't make much sense to me why she was tied up and why the cord was so long (wrist to wrist)...could it be possible?

    also ..don't recall now where I read something about some tape on her legs as well....I really forgot
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    you just made me think of something...what if that chair was originally used in the staging (JB TIED to the chair?hands behind her back) it still doesn't make much sense to me why she was tied up and why the cord was so long (wrist to wrist)...could it be possible?

    also ..don't recall now where I read something about some tape on her legs as well....I really forgot
    madeleine,
    Absolutely possible, except that the livor-mortis patterns do not seem to agree?


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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy View Post
    Nom de plume,
    From memory the chair is anomolous. Since the intruder was meant to have exited by that door, so how come there was chair in front of it?

    Some see this as evidence that John was in the basement moving stuff about?



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    I still don't understand. In front of the door inside the room or outside of the room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    not only that be he was down there before,he ALREADY checked THAT area!why didn't he use the time to check other areas like the balcony for ex since we're talking about it
    Great point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    you just made me think of something...what if that chair was originally used in the staging (JB TIED to the chair?hands behind her back) it still doesn't make much sense to me why she was tied up and why the cord was so long (wrist to wrist)...could it be possible?

    also ..don't recall now where I read something about some tape on her legs as well....I really forgot
    UK is right about the livor not being right, but maybe she was tied in that chair before she died.

    The "tape on the legs" was in Kolar's book and is thought to be a misprint. It should have been "tape on the lips". I'm not sure if he cleared that particular misprint up on Tricia's show or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy View Post
    madeleine,
    Absolutely possible, except that the livor-mortis patterns do not seem to agree?


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    forgot about that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nom de plume View Post
    UK is right about the livor not being right, but maybe she was tied in that chair before she died.

    The "tape on the legs" was in Kolar's book and is thought to be a misprint. It should have been "tape on the lips". I'm not sure if he cleared that particular misprint up on Tricia's show or not.
    I read it somewhere else as well but don't recall now....in some other book or police interview...ugh,dunno where
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