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    NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 4


    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...ing_woman.html
    Authorities say missing woman was on her way to shop at Destiny USA
    Syracuse, NY – Authorities are looking for a Chenango County woman who has been missing since Tuesday when she told her husband she was driving to Syracuse to shop at Destiny USA.
    She was driving a maroon 2006 Chrysler Town and Country minivan with a New York license plate of EFA1962.
    Deputies said Ramsaran may have changed her hair color and style before she left. Her cell phone was found Wednesday on State Route 23 in the Town of Plymouth.
    Deputies ask that anyone with information about Ramsaran call them at 607-334-2000 and push option 1.

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    Finding Jennifer


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    Please continue here...
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    NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #4

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    I have a question-was the theory that JR was using diet pills ever confirmed? I feel like her weight loss could have easily been due to something else i.e. stress in the home, or maybe just resolve to start taking better care of herself. As far as I know we only have GR's word that it was an unhealthy weight loss and from what I've seen he does sometimes remove certain facts (it's called lying by omission...just sayin') in order to get his account of events across.
    Also, I am really enjoying "thinking out of the box". I got very excited when someone theorized that maybe she was on illegal drugs, because that would definitely be an explanation. But it seems it's already been confirmed that she wasn't on illegal drugs. And a doomsday theory is a good one, but why would she abandon her family (especially the kids) if she thought that she needed to go somewhere safe in preparation for the end of the world? Today I will be racking my brain for other out of the box ideas. But can I just say that for the sake of fairness, I would encourage those who refuse to consider that GR may have caused her disappearance to maybe try giving that theory some thought. Blinders (either for or against) doesn't solve cases.
    And a question for Lavanda or RB: do either of you know if anything forensic like blood was/wasn't found in the van?
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    From the 3rd thread

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    Originally Posted by Lavanda Dolce View Post
    I cannot give the times for GR but can tell you that nearly everything that day, in some form or another, was either on record and accounted for via his work, surveillance cameras of places he went and people he encountered throughout the day and includes witnesses who are "strangers" that saw him. My understanding from GR is that he is accounted for in his whereabouts. It's the police's job to investigate and document his accountability. That is part of the investigation so that information is not released.

    Question: LaVonda, does this "accounting of time" include a ride home from the Y from ES? Supposedly, the affair was over, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffRoadRunner View Post
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    Originally Posted by Lavanda Dolce View Post
    I cannot give the times for GR but can tell you that nearly everything that day, in some form or another, was either on record and accounted for via his work, surveillance cameras of places he went and people he encountered throughout the day and includes witnesses who are "strangers" that saw him. My understanding from GR is that he is accounted for in his whereabouts. It's the police's job to investigate and document his accountability. That is part of the investigation so that information is not released.

    Question: LaVonda, does this "accounting of time" include a ride home from the Y from ES? Supposedly, the affair was over, correct?
    I don't remember a ride from ES being discussed. Can you refresh my memory?

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    Trying to catch up. I am curious why the theory that Jennifer "disappeared herself" is peppered throughout the threads. Is there strong evidence leading to that conclusion? I find it nearly impossible to believe this wife and mother just up and voluntarily vanished, unless she had a break with reality, I ain't buying it. MOO.

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    I had thought of illegal drugs too. RB, can you confirm that this was not a possibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffRoadRunner View Post
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    Originally Posted by Lavanda Dolce View Post
    I cannot give the times for GR but can tell you that nearly everything that day, in some form or another, was either on record and accounted for via his work, surveillance cameras of places he went and people he encountered throughout the day and includes witnesses who are "strangers" that saw him. My understanding from GR is that he is accounted for in his whereabouts. It's the police's job to investigate and document his accountability. That is part of the investigation so that information is not released.

    Question: LaVonda, does this "accounting of time" include a ride home from the Y from ES? Supposedly, the affair was over, correct?
    I'm confused. Has it been stated that he DID get a ride home from the Y with ES? - or is that what you're trying to find out?

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    I don't remember a ride from ES being discussed. Can you refresh my memory?

    Sharoneonta - that is part of the question....

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    I can't. I'm sorry. I really want to believe that JR just decided on December 11th, a random Tuesday to lie and say that she was going shopping at a well thought out plan (or so it would seem) to pick up a special gift for her hubby and a dress for her daughter's concert all the while - she just vanished, leaving her life. Sorry for the poor sentence structure. I type how I talk!

    I just don't buy it. I would LOVE for her to be alive but nothing im my opinion even points in that direction. I'm open to sleuthing all possibilities but foul play has more credence IMO.

    I wouldn't be surprised if she was talking to someone she met online or via an online/phone game. Lots of those medieval, sci-fi games out there that require constant interaction. Not my thing, but people love it.

    I'm sure she was lonely. From what I heard,<Mod Snip>

    Anyways, I'm trying to have an open mind here but it's hard when there are some deceptive players involved.

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    The wedding rings in the jewelry box are a HUGE deal to me. My first thought: GR planted them there to fit in with his story of her running away. The rings and the mud on the van are the 2 major things that got me thinking GR had done something.

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    I think it’s a possibility that Jennifer may have withdrawn from the family long before the alleged affair started.

    KF indicated that GR and the best friend had an affair that lasted almost 6 months which ended on Dec. 2nd. This would indicate that the affair started around the July time-frame. Jennifer was posting on the AARDA Facebook page on August 23rd (shortly after the affair started) and expressing her frustration with her health issues - health issues of which she had struggled with for some time. She indicted one of those health issues was lichen sclerosus. This skin ailment mostly affects the genitals and, for obvious reasons, affects sexual desire, which in turn affects relationships. Kind of a snowball affect. (However, we don't know that Jennifer's case of LS was on her genitals - I'm just assuming (sleuthing a scenario)). So, she is experiencing awful health issues, withholds (refrains from) sex (for obvious and understandable reasons), withdraws emotionally from GR because he doesn't understand how she feels and she "folds into herself" and finds solace in on-line gaming and finding someone who can understand/help her/connect with her/listen to her, etc. GR is left carrying on daily life with kids, work, etc. all while dealing with being rejected by his wife (which, is a big blow to a man's feelings, really.) and not understanding what the heck is going on with life - life as he "knew" it. He turns to best friend for help/advice/support and “bazinga” – an affair is born. NOW, of course, NO EXCUSE for an affair. Not at all. Ever.

    BUT, we’ve all sleuthed on the theory that Jennifer’s changes were because of circumstances surrounding the affair. Perhaps the affair was a result of circumstances surrounding Jennifer’s withdrawal from the family.

    Two sides to every story, I guess. I don’t know... just throwing things out there.

    And, don’t know if I can put the info from KF out there so..mods, please snip if need be.

    My heart aches for Jennifer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krey View Post
    The wedding rings in the jewelry box are a HUGE deal to me. My first thought: GR planted them there to fit in with his story of her running away. The rings and the mud on the van are the 2 major things that got me thinking GR had done something.
    Krey, its funny but I can't get past the mud either. As soon as I heard about the mud my stomach flipped flopped.

    The rings.. eh. I don't always wear mine. I take them off and forget to put them back on, etc. I hate not having them on but I DO forget.

    Although..... I NEVER put them in my jewelry box - always on the counter or night stand or something (not good, i know)........ hmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PennyFlower View Post
    Krey, its funny but I can't get past the mud either. As soon as I heard about the mud my stomach flipped flopped.

    The rings.. eh. I don't always wear mine. I take them off and forget to put them back on, etc. I hate not having them on but I DO forget.

    Although..... I NEVER put them in my jewelry box - always on the counter or night stand or something (not good, i know)........ hmmmm.
    bbm: what will be important here is what was normal for Jennifer. I hope investigators have talked with her parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PennyFlower View Post
    I think it’s a possibility that Jennifer may have withdrawn from the family long before the alleged affair started.

    KF indicated that GR and the best friend had an affair that lasted almost 6 months which ended on Dec. 2nd. This would indicate that the affair started around the July time-frame. Jennifer was posting on the AARDA Facebook page on August 23rd (shortly after the affair started) and expressing her frustration with her health issues - health issues of which she had struggled with for some time. She indicted one of those health issues was lichen sclerosus. This skin ailment mostly affects the genitals and, for obvious reasons, affects sexual desire, which in turn affects relationships. Kind of a snowball affect. (However, we don't know that Jennifer's case of LS was on her genitals - I'm just assuming (sleuthing a scenario)). So, she is experiencing awful health issues, withholds (refrains from) sex (for obvious and understandable reasons), withdraws emotionally from GR because he doesn't understand how she feels and she "folds into herself" and finds solace in on-line gaming and finding someone who can understand/help her/connect with her/listen to her, etc. GR is left carrying on daily life with kids, work, etc. all while dealing with being rejected by his wife (which, is a big blow to a man's feelings, really.) and not understanding what the heck is going on with life - life as he "knew" it. He turns to best friend for help/advice/support and “bazinga” – an affair is born. NOW, of course, NO EXCUSE for an affair. Not at all. Ever.

    BUT, we’ve all sleuthed on the theory that Jennifer’s changes were because of circumstances surrounding the affair. Perhaps the affair was a result of circumstances surrounding Jennifer’s withdrawal from the family.

    Two sides to every story, I guess. I don’t know... just throwing things out there.

    And, don’t know if I can put the info from KF out there so..mods, please snip if need be.

    My heart aches for Jennifer.
    Thank you for this post PF. I hadn't really thought of the lichen sclerosis in regards to intimacy issues. I agree, not an excuse for the affair but I can see how, if it was on her genitals, that could have a big impact on a woman's self esteem and also on her marriage.

    Also, if she did meet up with someone she may have had feelings or flirtation with it could be that she was reluctant to be intimate with them, which could have caused some sort of rage.

    Just trying to keep an open mind...
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