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    CT - Little Miss 1565 & the Hartford Circus Fire, 1944

    does anyone remember this i was having a discusion with my dad on some of the cases that were solved through doe and such one of them being the tent girl he got confused beacuse he had never heard of the tent girl but of little miss 1565 who was parished in a fire at a circus in hartford ct. anyone know anything about it i read that some people thought she was to be of ellenor cook but cook family members from then had said that they didnt belive that it was her
    Little Miss 1565 & her true identity
    The most well-known victim of the circus fire was a young blonde girl wearing a white dress. She is known only as Little Miss 1565, named after the number assigned to her body at the city's makeshift morgue. Oddly well preserved even after her death in the fire, her face has become arguably the most well-known image of the fire.
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    Yes, they did discover her true identity. I read it a few years back. I don't know who it was though

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    i know i found a website after i had posted that said they did, but that dental reccords didnt match the body thus her not being who she really was according to the mother of the girl. i duno but its worth looking into to see if she really wasnt who they said she was

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    The full story of little miss 1565 with a current update is found part-way down the page:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Circus_Fire

    In a nutshell, they are now doubting her "true identity" and have reopened the investigation.


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    wouldn't exuming the unidentified bodies and little miss 1565 and doing DNA testing solve this once and for all?

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    Question CT - Hartford Circus Fire, 1944

    Not to be morbud-but of the five unknown victiums of the Hartford CT Circus Fire 1944-2 women;2 children; 1 man "burned beyond recognition" -could this mean "body parts" that couldn't be matched to known victiums?
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    unlikely

    Considering the tent was "fireproofed" with parafin and gasoline, and the whole tent was gone in about 6 minutes (see http://www.historybuff.com/library/reffire.html)
    I suspect that the bodies were just too badly burned, rather than anything else. This was a hot, fast fire.

    Also, one of the 2 children was later identified and buried next to her family (many years after the fact)

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    I believe several things contributed to there being some unidentified victims, including but not limited to:

    1. As previously mentioned, bodies were burned beyond recognition. They were laid out in the armory, covered with sheets, and labelled "girl, 8 to 10 yrs old" and so on. Because of these vague descriptions and the reluctance of the identifying parties to take a closer look, I am sure many bodies were incorrectly ID'd. Then it comes down to the last few remaining bodies that don't match up with the remaining victim descriptions, and you end up with unclaimed bodies.

    2. Many families suffered numerous losses, including the mother and children, some fathers and mothers and children, and in these cases perhaps a not-so-close relative was doing the identifying. This could have resulted in misidentifying.

    The case of Little Miss 1565 is a classic example - a Hartford detective has claimed to have uncovered her identity but he conveniently disregards the facts that the body size and features and age of 1565 do not match up with the girl who he claims it to be. I'm sure a lot of this happened in the days after the fire - find something close to what you are looking for, claim it and go on with the services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmerk View Post
    Considering the tent was "fireproofed" with parafin and gasoline, and the whole tent was gone in about 6 minutes (see http://www.historybuff.com/library/reffire.html)
    I suspect that the bodies were just too badly burned, rather than anything else. This was a hot, fast fire.

    Also, one of the 2 children was later identified and buried next to her family (many years after the fact)
    Palmerk it was not "fireproofing" it was actually water proofing. In doing genealogy we discovered we had an ancestor on my dads side who as a little girl died in that fire. My dad lived in Hartford then. He was 3 months old at the time. If you all want to know more I recomend reading The Circus Fire by Stewart O'nan. I listened to it on audio book.

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    Arrow CT - Robert Dale Segee confesses to cold cases, 1938-1950

    RoBERT DALE Segee in 1950 confessed to setting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartfor...re#cite_note-0 which killed over 160 persons. He also confessed to several other murders from 1938 to 1949-although only 1-a March 1943 murder of a Night Watchman in Portland Maine was confirmed.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=fUo...0Segee&f=false .pp.51-54


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    It turns out that evidence has emerged that strongly indicated that Eleanor Cook and Little Miss 1565 are not one and the same child. First, Mrs. Cook had been shown a picture of Little Miss near the time of the fire and had stated emphatically that this was not her daughter. Second Eleanor cook was a brunette not a blonde and pictures of the young Eleanor show that their faces were shaped quite differently. It is also believed that Eleanor and this young girl buried in her grave were different heights and that their dental records do not match.http://factoidz.com/the-face-that-ha...65-who-is-she/

    Article written Feb. 2010

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    There are no links to the photo of Miss 1565 on this thread, so I am posting a link.

    WARNING - POSTMORTEM PHOTO AT LINK:

    http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/...00x600Q851.jpg
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-09-2012 at 11:55 PM.

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    Stewart O'Nan wrote a fascinating book called "Circus Fire" about the events surrounding the fire, including a lot of time talking about the unidentified fire victims. It's an excellent read and faces some of the doubts about this victim. It was a while ago that I read it, but there was some speculation that another family had misidentified the Cook girl as theirs instead of this little girl, which seems plausible considering the way they had the makeshift morgue set up; families might have been hasty wanting to get out of there.

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    Question Unidentifed in Hartford Circus Fire 1944


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    I remember one theory about the unidentifieds was that they were all from one family and no one knew they were at the circus thus never came looking for them.

    One unidentified was believed to be a black woman so at least she would not likely fit that explanation.

    The baby was cremated right away because they said no identification was possible. With DNA, that view proved to be shortsighted.
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