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    Woman says hospital stole baby

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hological.html

    I don't understand. I guess up til that day maybe it somehow was a psychological pregnancy even though she had ultrasounds, but she had an ultrasound right before being taken to the operating room. It showed the placenta had detached and they did an emergency csection and found no baby. Who is wrong here. The mom who thought she was pregnant or a hospital performing a csection on a woman who wasn't even pregnant. An ultrasound she had a week before told her the baby was a girl about seven pounds!!!

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    On the day Ms Santos believed her baby would be born, doctors at the Santa Casa de Maua hospital performed yet another ultrasound scan.
    Hospital records report that the mother-to-be arrived on December 26 'with vaginal bleeding and abdominal pain, requiring urgent attention.
    'The obstetrician diagnosed premature separation of the placenta and the patient was immediately transferred to the operating room.'


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    um yeah,this is all kinds of strange. An ultra sound performed on the day of the C-section by hospital would appear to be what let to the preliminary diagnosis of placental separation.

    How then is there no pregnancy? Placenta would indicate pregnancy? What exactly did the person reading the ultrasound see that led to tech preliminary diagnosis?
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    The Santa Casa de Maua hospital claimed exams they performed before the delivery proved Ms Santos was not carrying a baby, but said they 'reserved the right to only present these exams at the opportune moment.'

    The couple's lawyer, Leila Salomao, confirmed they have asked a judge to seize the hospital's records relating to Ms Santos.

    The doctor responsible for Ms Santos' pre-natal treatment, Uesley Lima, has also reportedly promised to be a witness for the couple if they bring a criminal case against the hospital.


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    um what delivery? If what the hospital is saying is true, why the c-section, why the preliminary diagnosis, and why is this still being called a delivery?

    They opened her up knowing there was no pregnancy but told her there was because the timing was "inopportune" to inform the patient or her husband???

    WTH?
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    What a bizarre story, to say the least. If the hospital is saying that woman was not actually pregnant, why did they do a c-section on her?
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    I thought there was some kind of rule about not doing unnecessary surgery in the hippocratic oath? Can doing something against what the hippocratic oath says be found illegal? I don't think there's any way they can claim it was an "inoppourtune" time to mention it--a c-section would be pretty expensive, I would imagine.

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    bizarre to say the least.
    re: c-sections,they are expensive in south america and they mean a lot of dollar$ for hospitals. off topic but none of my friends back home has had a vaginal delivery,their babies are all c-sections. only women w no insurance in public hospitals have vaginal deliveries unless the pregnancy is a high risk one.

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    Well, to me the obvious first question (seeing as the alleged victim here seems a whole lot more kosher than the hospital, imo) --- are they trafficking in babies???

    I wonder how many other cases of 'phantom third trimester pregnancy w/ultrasound & placenta' there have been in that hospital..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian4 View Post
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hological.html

    I don't understand. I guess up til that day maybe it somehow was a psychological pregnancy even though she had ultrasounds, but she had an ultrasound right before being taken to the operating room. It showed the placenta had detached and they did an emergency csection and found no baby. Who is wrong here. The mom who thought she was pregnant or a hospital performing a csection on a woman who wasn't even pregnant. An ultrasound she had a week before told her the baby was a girl about seven pounds!!!
    Something is up with this hospital.

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    She had received pre-natal treatment during her entire pregnancy, with nurses recording the growing size of her baby and even measuring the foetal heart beats.
    Ms Santos, a kitchen assistant, even had an ultra-sound scans in the final week of her pregnancy, which showed she was carrying a baby girl who weighed 7lbs and measured 42cm.


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    A rum tale indeed.

    So far in English-speaking media only the Daily Mail account and another a bit later from The Sun - two UK tabloids. Just checked and Sun's is identical to the Mail's. Both cite a Brazilian source for the story: "Tribunal Hoje" (it's actually Tribuna Hoje - it doesn't seem to have made Wiki's Brazilian newspapers page; appears to be more of a blog-run site - and seems to specialize in being "the news portal of Alagoas with the largest collection of information, videos, and entertainment columnists"; Mauá is a part of the São Paulo regional district, a very, very long way from the state of Alagoas) and same hospital (it's actually Santa Casa de Misericórdia de Mauá).

    Perhaps one of the two national papers in São Paulo or one of its regional papers (ten of 'em), have published the story, but I haven't happened on one yet. And as my knowledge of Portuguese is limited to one train ride in Canada years and years ago, trying my best to understand - with my fairly limited knowledge of Spanish - what a guy from Brazil in the seat in front of me was talking about, I certainly could have missed them. So I'm not saying that this story is "just not so" - I'm only saying that its provenance is currently a bit sketchy.

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    How can she have had premature separation of the placenta if she wasn't pregnant? You don't develop a placenta in a purely psychological pregnancy imo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    How can she have had premature separation of the placenta if she wasn't pregnant? You don't develop a placenta in a purely psychological pregnancy imo.
    Yea, none of it makes any sense, does it?
    There is no need for a c-section in a psychological pregnancy.
    The hospital would be subjecting a patient to unnecessary surgery if they performed a c-section on a woman that was not pregnant.
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    A rum tale indeed.

    So far in English-speaking media only the Daily Mail account and another a bit later from The Sun - two UK tabloids. Just checked and Sun's is identical to the Mail's. Both cite a Brazilian source for the story: "Tribunal Hoje" (it's actually Tribuna Hoje - it doesn't seem to have made Wiki's Brazilian newspapers page; appears to be more of a blog-run site - and seems to specialize in being "the news portal of Alagoas with the largest collection of information, videos, and entertainment columnists"; Mauá is a part of the São Paulo regional district, a very, very long way from the state of Alagoas) and same hospital (it's actually Santa Casa de Misericórdia de Mauá).

    Perhaps one of the two national papers in São Paulo or one of its regional papers (ten of 'em), have published the story, but I haven't happened on one yet. And as my knowledge of Portuguese is limited to one train ride in Canada years and years ago, trying my best to understand - with my fairly limited knowledge of Spanish - what a guy from Brazil in the seat in front of me was talking about, I certainly could have missed them. So I'm not saying that this story is "just not so" - I'm only saying that its provenance is currently a bit sketchy.
    A few things I'd like to add. I have been involved with women who have true phantom pregnancies. In a phantom pregnancy there would be no placenta. The placenta is an organ that provided nutrients, fluids and oxygen to that baby during pregnancy. If in fact the doctors had seen by ultrasound that the placenta had become fully or mostly detached from the uterine wall (placental abruption) this would be an emergency situation requiring immediate intervention (cesarean section). In cases of a full placental abruption, the baby may not survive. That being said, while performing an ultrasound on the placenta, they could not have missed seeing a baby! This leaves a few possibilities.

    If there was actually a placenta or placental fragment removed by cesarean section:

    1. The baby had been born outside the hospital and the patient was not able to deliver the placenta. (this can happen if the placenta does not detach normally after vaginal delivery. A retained placenta or placental fragment can be a dangerous thing causing a mother to hemorrhage risking possible loss
    of life.

    2. The baby was deceased and for whatever strange, heartless (fraudulent, unethical, illegal, I could go on) reason, they felt the need to hide this from the patient. I personally find this very unlikely.

    If there was no placenta present, I can see no reason to open the uterus unless the mother was hemorrhaging so badly that her life was at risk and they needed to find the source of the bleeding.

    In the US, she would have presented to the hospital and been evaluated or "triaged." One of the first things we do in triage is place the baby on a monitor. There is no mention of fetal heart tones in the article. The whole story is fishy if you ask me.

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    I found another article which talks about the ultrasound results a little bit different. This isn't MSM and could just be written from information from the dailymail articles...who knows. The whole thing is really strange.

    When Layane Santos went to the hospital due to her pains, the doctors performed an ultrasound scan. It was revealed that day, December 26, that Santos had a heavy amount of vaginal bleeding and abdominal pain that required immediate attention.
    http://americanlivewire.com/layane-santos/
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    I call shenanigans on the woman and her husband - the doctors "showed him the empty womb"?????

    NOT

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    I call shenanigans on the woman and her husband - the doctors "showed him the empty womb"?????

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