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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #2

    February 20, 2013 8:48 AM

    (CBS/AP) LOS ANGELES - A woman's body found wedged in a water tank on the roof of a downtown Los Angeles hotel was identified as that of a missing Canadian tourist, police said Tuesday.

    Lam traveled to California alone on Jan. 27 from Vancouver, British Columbia. She was last seen by hotel employees on Jan. 31.


    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...nk-police-say/



    Friday, February 22, 2013

    DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- It could take several more weeks before we learn how a Canadian tourist, found dead in a hotel water tank, died.
    A toxicology report and other tests on Elisa Lam's brain and other organs have been ordered.


    http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...les&id=9002570


    By Alan Duke, CNN
    updated 7:07 AM EST, Fri February 22, 2013


    The decomposing body of Elisa Lam floated inside a water tank on the roof of the Cecil Hotel while guests brushed their teeth, bathed and drank with water from it for as long as 19 days.

    A maintenance worker, checking on complaints about the hotel's water, found the 21-year-old Canadian tourist inside one of four water cisterns Tuesday morning, Los Angeles Police Sgt. Rudy Lopez said.

    An autopsy was completed, but the cause of death is deferred pending further examination, assistant chief coroner Ed Winter said Thursday. That may take six to eight weeks.


    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/21/us/cal...pse/index.html


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    Please continue the discussion here in Thread #2

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    I hope I'm not violating any rules by referring to a certain tumblr page that might or might not have been Elisa's. (See Thread 1.) You can make that page much more readable by setting your browser to not let webpages choose their own colors. You can definitely do that with Firefox. The default color scheme scheme seems to be aimed at straining your eyes. (Though I'm not familiar with tumblr so there may be another way to change the colors.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousB View Post
    I hope I'm not violating any rules by referring to a certain tumblr page that might or might not have been Elisa's. (See Thread 1.) You can make that page much more readable by setting your browser to not let webpages choose their own colors. You can definitely do that with Firefox. The default color scheme scheme seems to be aimed at straining your eyes. (Though I'm not familiar with tumblr so there may be another way to change the colors.)
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    Brought over from serenerelief:
    For those who suspect her actions in the elevator (hand gestures, behavior etc.) are due to Chinese culture I recommend you see this link which compiles and translates Chinese reactions to the video http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/video...reactions.html
    brought over from wilbee:
    hahah I could never say with 100% certainty but with the internet and globalisation now plus its 2013,

    no I'm pretty sure there aren't any dance movements like that.
    I was thinking more of the positioning of her hands, the splaying of her fingers are similar to some traditional Asian dance/ritual hand movements, not that she WAS dancing per se, but that the hand movements might be less odd than they seem to my western eye.

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    I would look at residents and staff. LE should. Someone who is familiar with the hotel's past would be drawn to live here. Serial Killer Richard Ramirez aka The Night Stalker lived there in 1985, and that attracted another serial killer to move there in 1991 Jack Unterweger he was inspired by The Nightstalker.

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    Posters are still referring to the sighting of Elisa on the street corner, and I’m interested in the rationale as to why anyone is considering that a credible sighting. The ”sighting” was posted on the net Friday, Feb 15. The poster said it was the previous Saturday, which would be Feb 9.

    Where do you think she was from Jan 31 to Feb 9, and how do you think she ended up back in the water tanks at the Cecil without anyone seeing her there?
    Last edited by sillybilly; 02-22-2013 at 11:22 PM. Reason: typo

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    I just returned from the conference, and as stated, I would post anything of relevance.

    Note that these are individual thoughts, and do not reflect the collective thoughts of either Canadian or American military.

    I am just going to list them in random order off the top of my head, and paraphrasing as it was casual talk.

    - Elisa Lam was likely alone throughout the video. Taken into account is her overall being throughout the video (ie. her stance does not reflect what we know as the fight or flight posture). Some members have stated this is exactly how they would react given a stressful situation. I would argue (generally) that it is highly unlikely anyone, male or female would display Elisa's actions. A colleague of mine brought this up: Typical control situations demand one of two things, blatant threat to yourself, or to someone you know. Since we can likely rule out threat to others, we are to assume it was threat to her. Given that someone is not visible the entire video, the control level weakens. Again, going back to the fight/flight, it simply is not present. I admit this requires a bit more explanation, but I'm a bit lazy at the moment...

    - Drugs under the "date rape" umbrella is highly unlikely. Known effects do not leave you with this much mobility. However, that is not to say Elisa was not under the influence of other drugs, or alcohol.

    - One individual noted that the video in his opinion plays a small part in this, and only so much can be derived from reviewing it (behavioural/body linguist required). Key evidence will lie else where.

    I actually had more to write, but I haven't reviewed the last 10 pages since I was on last night. So please don't hesitate to ask me something specific.

    Sorry for what I thought was going to be a good post - little mundane!

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    Throwing this out there as it just occurred to me. I try to read all posts, but missed it if discussed. Hypersexuality is a common issue when in mania. Might she had hooked up with some poor choices that could have led to her passing intentional or not. Thinking about prison, hides body until it ends up in tank.

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    I want to think someone put her in the water tank but it seems quite an endeavor after reading this:

    "Since the water tanks are on a platform at least 10 feet above the surface of the roof, a person would have to go to the top floor of the hotel, take the staircase to get to the roof, pass through the roof’s locked door without setting off the emergency alarm, use a ladder to get up to the 10-foot-high platform on which the water tanks are located, and then again use the ladder to climb up the side of the 10-foot-high water tank.

    Because of the unlikely chance that anyone would even go to the top of the roof, there are no security cameras installed."

    http://www.examiner.com/article/elis...ong-as-19-days


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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousB View Post
    I hope I'm not violating any rules by referring to a certain tumblr page that might or might not have been Elisa's. (See Thread 1.) You can make that page much more readable by setting your browser to not let webpages choose their own colors. You can definitely do that with Firefox. The default color scheme scheme seems to be aimed at straining your eyes. (Though I'm not familiar with tumblr so there may be another way to change the colors.)
    Does anyone know how to fix this with explorer? I can't see the writing b/c it's a really light blue. I don't know anything about tumblr either. TIA

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    In the video, I see her expecting someone to be coming with her on the elevator. Her attitude is playful at first. She hits a bunch of buttons because she's a teen/20s kid and still acts cutesy like that. Totally normal. She hides in the elevator corner so the person won't see her in it immediately. All in play.
    Then she's like, where the hell is s/he? She looks but pulls back into elevator because she still wants to jump out and yell boo, or whatever.
    Then she's just getting exasperated that the person isn't coming. She stands right outside, does half-hearted dance moves, may be singing or just la-la talking, like "now where'd you go, you?"
    To me, she does not appear mentally compromised, by illness or drugs. She's having a good time with someone who she doesn't know very well.
    I suppose the most logical thing I can think of from that is that the person turned malevolent or was accidentally violent, killed her, and dumped her. I think he may work in the hotel or have made himself familiar enough with it to have already known about the roof and tanks. Or, the fatal incident may have taken place on the roof and then he used the tank.

    (I think a big guy could get her little body into that tank, too, fwiw.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmom View Post
    Does anyone know how to fix this with explorer? I can't see the writing b/c it's a really light blue. I don't know anything about tumblr either. TIA
    Try highlighting the text. Click the mouse button from the beginning of the text and drag it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred&edna View Post
    I want to think someone put her in the water tank but it seems quite an endeavor after reading this:

    "Since the water tanks are on a platform at least 10 feet above the surface of the roof, a person would have to go to the top floor of the hotel, take the staircase to get to the roof, pass through the roof’s locked door without setting off the emergency alarm, use a ladder to get up to the 10-foot-high platform on which the water tanks are located, and then again use the ladder to climb up the side of the 10-foot-high water tank.

    Because of the unlikely chance that anyone would even go to the top of the roof, there are no security cameras installed."

    http://www.examiner.com/article/elis...ong-as-19-days
    If no one else took her up there, how did she get past the alarm system without it sounding and without a key??? If she went up there on her own, how did she bypass the security measures??
    Where is Sky Metalwala???

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    Quote Originally Posted by flexiblehawk View Post
    Try highlighting the text. Click the mouse button from the beginning of the text and drag it down.
    Thank you !! That was easy (I feel silly)
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