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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    February 20, 2013 8:48 AM

    (CBS/AP) LOS ANGELES - A woman's body found wedged in a water tank on the roof of a downtown Los Angeles hotel was identified as that of a missing Canadian tourist, police said Tuesday.

    Lam traveled to California alone on Jan. 27 from Vancouver, British Columbia. She was last seen by hotel employees on Jan. 31.


    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...nk-police-say/



    Friday, February 22, 2013

    DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- It could take several more weeks before we learn how a Canadian tourist, found dead in a hotel water tank, died.
    A toxicology report and other tests on Elisa Lam's brain and other organs have been ordered.


    http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...les&id=9002570


    By Alan Duke, CNN
    updated 7:07 AM EST, Fri February 22, 2013


    The decomposing body of Elisa Lam floated inside a water tank on the roof of the Cecil Hotel while guests brushed their teeth, bathed and drank with water from it for as long as 19 days.

    A maintenance worker, checking on complaints about the hotel's water, found the 21-year-old Canadian tourist inside one of four water cisterns Tuesday morning, Los Angeles Police Sgt. Rudy Lopez said.

    An autopsy was completed, but the cause of death is deferred pending further examination, assistant chief coroner Ed Winter said Thursday. That may take six to eight weeks.


    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/21/us/cal...pse/index.html


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    I've been following this case for the past week or so and wanted to begin by saying this forum has been the hands down greatest resource for info. and possible theories. Nice work.

    I stayed at the Cecil on August 15, 2008 - so my info. is possibly dated since they were apparently just beginning the "remodel" when I was there so what I saw and remember may have changed in the 4+ years since.

    Our room was on the 10th floor in the back left corner of the building.

    Again, this may have changed in the years since, but our room key had a 4 digit number starting with "10" (can't remember the exact number any longer) so it seems plausible to me the first digit(s) of the apartment numbers people are finding for the RSOs likely, at least at one time, did indicate floor # - ie. 14xx = room on 14th floor, etc.

    Security seems to be arbitrary. I've read reviews online that complain about their "strict no guests" policy, but when I stayed, there were 5 people in our room for the night despite only two people officially checking in at the front desk. No one in our group was questioned using the elevators and I personally never saw any hotel staff (security or otherwise) anywhere other than behind the front desk.

    That was just my (limited) experience with the Cecil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princessofmirth View Post
    They waited almost 3 hours?? Why? This seems to support my hypothesis of a cover up.
    I would think it's because the LAPD was investigating a crime scene and didn't want additional feet and hands to contaminate it before they were done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by houndstooth View Post
    Does anyone recall how she came to be on the set of George Strombouloupoulos?
    As seen in a fb photo?

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    She visited Toronto in Dec, the show is filmed here. Easy to get tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillybilly View Post
    Was going through the timeline thread, and found the explanation for those questioning when LE may have gathered evidence in relation to when firemen were retrieving Elisa's body:

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    http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2...os_angeles.php
    Thanks. Now why in the world would a maintenance man call the Fire Department and not the police 911 upon finding a body in their water tank?
    And then in turn, why would the Fire Department not let police in first to the scene in case it's a crime scene?

    This makes no sense to me that they would have been informed 3 hours later.
    If that is the case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by medsleuth View Post
    Well I would say there is no evidence of anything sinister through the elevator video. Looks to me like an adventurous young gal roaming an interesting old building - probably with some others she met at Stay. Some dope or alcohol may have been in the mix. And those might have interacted with her medications and/or her self-acknowledged bi-polar condition. The police found no evidence of malice to the body. So she was likely not raped, beaten, choked, dragged to the top of the cistern and dumped in based on that. I've flip-flopped a few times now. But that's where I stand now.
    The police have been saying/hinting that it could be a "very strange accident" in their own words. They also also said they had interviewed all the residents in the hotel. They are not considering foul play although they have not ruled it out yet.

    Also, the video has generated many opposing views - some see threat and fear, some see calm and playfulness - I think mainly because of its poor resolution. For example, some said they cannot see the smile at 1:58-1:59 no matter how hard they look. To them, I suggest they re-play the video on a much smaller screen size (not larger) and watch the video real close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figuring View Post
    She visited Toronto in Dec, the show is filmed here. Easy to get tickets.
    She is sitting on the set though, where guests sit. Not in the audience.

    Do you think they allow people to do photo ops on the set of his show?
    Just curious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by windbags View Post
    There were no signs of trauma on the body. So how would she have died on top of the maintenance building with no physical signs of trauma?

    Also the tank is at least a good six foot or more drop from the top of the maintenance building. I also though at first she could have come from there, but after further examining the layout it seems like it would be extremely difficult to drop a dead body from that height and have it land perfectly in such a small opening. It would have been much easier to climb up the ladder attached to the tank to insert it in the hole.
    I think you could be right--I'd missed Anasie's translation of the Chinese forum post where someone actually went and looked down from the maintenance building. I'd imagined the tank being close enough to drop a body on top of it, then climb down and put it in the opening (I didn't really imagine lowering it perfectly). But since they've been there and I haven't, I'm not too sure. It's because of the "no trauma" finding that we're assuming she couldn't have been dropped, isn't it? I've really been wondering if "no trauma" really means absolutely no trauma, or if it means that they couldn't find any trauma that would have led to her death. It seems like in the process of moving a body, it would pick up some post-mortem bruising. It's so weird, and I often wonder if all of our assumptions are off because we're missing key information.

    I do still think that it's not impossible that she could have been murdered with minimal trauma that was obscured by the fact that she was in water so long, as in the case I linked above. I don't think it happens too often, and I suspect that EL was in better condition than that woman, but I'm not really ruling it out either.

    Elisa's death really bothers me...she's so many girls I've known, and to a lesser extent a girl I've been.

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    BiPolar

    I know someone with bipolar disorder who became entirely delusional and irrational. Couldn't stop talking and gesticulating. Her family was able to talk her out of running down the street naked but that's where her mind was going. And that's what makes me think that this could a case of someone off their meds or their condition was triggered by alcohol or other drugs in combination with prescription medications for the treatment of bipolar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Figuring View Post
    Something occurred to me tonight. Two things:

    Was she robbed?

    When I stay in a hotel, I never leave my room without my purse/wallet/tote, always carrying my wallet, phone, medication, keys. In the video, Elisa has nothing with her.

    She had no glasses on and is farsighted. We know she 'lost' her phone. My feeling all along has been that she might be off her medications, as opposed to being drugged, and it hadn't occurred me that her wallet or bag could have been taken. In addition to her belongings, some medications are valuable on the street, too.

    Was she hiding the only place she thought was safe?
    If her purse/keys/glasses meds were stolen, say from her room--or if someone accosted her for them--she could have gotten utterly paranoid, and didn't know who to trust, and was scared of her room, and security, and the street. And if she had no money, and didn't want to tell her parents, maybe she was looking for a place to hide.

    What if she went to the roof to hide out the night? What if once there it was cold or she was very scared, and what if she lowered herself into opening of the cistern, thinking it was empty, and that she could sleep there till the morning? It it's 10ft tall, say (I'm not sure) and was only 4or 5ft full, she could have lowered herself down inside too far before she realized there was water, and then couldn't get out. She would not have drowned so much as died from the cold, and any sound she made would be muffled.


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    Quote Originally Posted by houndstooth View Post
    She is sitting on the set though, where guests sit. Not in the audience.

    Do you think they allow people to do photo ops on the set of his show?
    Just curious.
    Yes, they do. Especially if you say you're visiting from out of town. I had two friends from BC say they were visiting to the person seating them, and George S came over to take his picture with them on the set and moved them to the front row. There's alot of horsing around with the producers and host before the taping.

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    Its frustrating to know that we, and maybe even the police, wouldn't have to be guessing about her emotions / facial expressions, if the hotel simply used some HD security cameras installed in more places. I mean.. it seems the very least they can do with all the hotel's previous history. In the long run, probably cheaper and more efficient than hiring a bunch of shady security guards too. According to my friend who works at an HD camera company, all the banks around here use low-res cameras. Same with our transit system. And yet many art galleries and sports stadiums use the hi-res ones. Where are the priorities? Ridiculous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by medsleuth View Post
    I know someone with bipolar disorder who became entirely delusional and irrational. Couldn't stop talking and gesticulating. Her family was able to talk her out of running down the street naked but that's where her mind was going. And that's what makes me think that this could a case of someone off their meds or their condition was triggered by alcohol or other drugs in combination with prescription medications for the treatment of bipolar.
    Yes, I agree. I've worked in a mental hospital for a while so have seen this too. I feel quite firmly that it's possible she went off her meds, either because they were lost or stolen. A sudden stoppage, coupled with any external stressors, is a very bad recipe.

    What's interesting though, is if they perform toxicology tests, they won't be able to tell if she missed doses of what she was prescribed, only if she was given something illicit. So I am afraid this might be hard to detect/prove/disprove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figuring View Post
    Yes, I agree. I've worked in a mental hospital for a while so have seen this too. I feel quite firmly that it's possible she went off her meds, either because they were lost or stolen. A sudden stoppage, coupled with any external stressors, is a very bad recipe.

    What's interesting though, is if they perform toxicology tests, they won't be able to tell if she missed doses of what she was prescribed, only if she was given something illicit. So I am afraid this might be hard to detect/prove/disprove.
    How long would she have to have been off an antidepressant for them to tell she'd stopped taking it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello people View Post
    What's up with her swinging round house arm as she first enters the elevator to press the buttons?

    Who does that? In what situation and why?
    It gave me an eerie weird feeling watching the video 2X that I quit after that as I think if ya watch it too much it will get on a person's mind, kind of mesmerizing you could say. Gives me the heebeegeebees, so sad as this was likely the last time she was alive LE I hope is on the case night and day to find out what caused her death, following up on leads etc

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