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    jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #65 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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    jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #65 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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    Thread closed just as I asked my last question - was there a search effort ever done in the "desert" for the gun?

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    Carrying this over from previous thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by paperwing View Post
    I was wondering how much (if any) of the mountain of post-crime coverup adds any weight towards proving premeditation. I'm guessing it doesn't.

    I know innocent people aren't likely to cover up crimes, and I absolutely do not believe JA is innocent via SD, but I get the impression that her actions after the fact are getting mixed up and applied as additional evidence of premeditation.

    I don't think that's accurate, but I don't know. Even after reading the statute on premeditation, which mentions nothing about actions after - so I guess therein lies the answer.

    There is so much more strong evidence of coverup.

    Bad analogy, probably, but a kid who comes home to find his mother's favorite vase shattered on the floor, might clean it up and try to hide it - to avoid his mother being sad, or mad or accusing him falsely.

    I just wish there was at least one bit of solid, indisputable proof of premeditation. I'd feel better, even though the cumulative effect of the circumstantial evidence is more than enough. I was just curious given what I've heard and read here and there.
    Her post-murder actions are what's considered "consciousness of guilt" and those things are not, in and of themselves, evidence of premeditation or of the crime itself, but they can be considered in conjunction with the other evidence to support guilt and premeditation.

    Let me put it another way that might be more understandable -- suppose that there was no other evidence that Jodi committed the crime or no other evidence of premeditation. If the only thing that pointed to her was her peculiar behavior after the fact, like lying to police, etc., then those pos-murder behaviors would not be evidence that she committed the crime and would not support a murder charge. IMO this is part of the reason Drew Peterson has not been charged with Stacy's death -- he acts guilty and we all believe he's guilty, but there's no specific evidence that he committed the crime, only his guilty behavior after the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chgokim View Post
    Thread closed just as I asked my last question - was there a search effort ever done in the "desert" for the gun?
    I don't think so. For one thing, I think this is the first time she has told anyone, other than her lawyers, that she disposed of the gun in the desert (although one might have logically assumed that without her saying it). Also, the amount of desert between Mesa and Utah would be impossible to search without more specific, and reliable, information.

    Wouldn't that be something if Juan came out with the actual gun during his rebuttal case?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful One View Post
    Grrrr.... I give up. I can't get anyone to answer my questions. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. Night all.
    I did answer one of your questions here:

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    That may not be the question you're talking about though
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    Quote Originally Posted by minor4th View Post
    Her post-murder actions are what's considered "consciousness of guilt" and those things are not, in and of themselves, evidence of premeditation or of the crime itself, but they can be considered in conjunction with the other evidence to support guilt and premeditation.

    Let me put it another way that might be more understandable -- suppose that there was no other evidence that Jodi committed the crime or no other evidence of premeditation. If the only thing that pointed to her was her peculiar behavior after the fact, like lying to police, etc., then those pos-murder behaviors would not be evidence that she committed the crime and would not support a murder charge. IMO this is part of the reason Drew Peterson has not been charged with Stacy's death -- he acts guilty and we all believe he's guilty, but there's no specific evidence that he committed the crime, only his guilty behavior after the fact.
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    Do we know if Arias carried the vacation CD's with her all the time, or did she pack them specifically to take to Travis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paperwing View Post
    I was wondering how much (if any) of the mountain of post-crime coverup adds any weight towards proving premeditation. I'm guessing it doesn't.

    I know innocent people aren't likely to cover up crimes, and I absolutely do not believe JA is innocent via SD, but I get the impression that her actions after the fact are getting mixed up and applied as additional evidence of premeditation.

    I don't think that's accurate, but I don't know. Even after reading the statute on premeditation, which mentions nothing about actions after - so I guess therein lies the answer.

    There is so much more strong evidence of coverup.

    Bad analogy, probably, but a kid who comes home to find his mother's favorite vase shattered on the floor, might clean it up and try to hide it - to avoid his mother being sad, or mad or accusing him falsely.

    I just wish there was at least one bit of solid, indisputable proof of premeditation. I'd feel better, even though the cumulative effect of the circumstantial evidence is more than enough. I was just curious given what I've heard and read here and there.
    I think that Jodi's actions after the murder are significant because they speak to her state of mind. She apparently took the rope and put it in a dumpster. She put the camera into the washing machine with a bottle of chlorox. She made phone calls and visits to create an alibi. She wrote happy emails to Travis three days after she murdered him with the goal of obscuring the truth. That is how I see that it relates to pre-meditation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by minor4th View Post
    I don't think so. For one thing, I think this is the first time she has told anyone, other than her lawyers, that she disposed of the gun in the desert (although one might have logically assumed that without her saying it). Also, the amount of desert between Mesa and Utah would be impossible to search without more specific, and reliable, information.

    Wouldn't that be something if Juan came out with the actual gun during his rebuttal case?!
    Well I think she said she disposed of it before the checkpoint - if she is "telling the truth" now, why doesn't she lead them to the weapon that wasn't stolen from her grandparent's home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chgokim View Post
    Well I think she said she disposed of it before the checkpoint - if she is "telling the truth" now, why doesn't she lead them to the weapon that wasn't stolen from her grandparent's home?
    Because she's not telling the truth? And because she was in a fog and doesn't remember the exact location?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeJunkie View Post
    Do we know if Arias carried the vacation CD's with her all the time, or did she pack them specifically to take to Travis?
    And what was that about her taking "professional" photos but she unprofessionally didn't have time forward the photos, or the disc broke? That sounds like she was abusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephanieHartPI View Post
    Im the same way! I have to do layouts of all the scenes.. And with this one, until i found this layout of the bedroom and matched it to crime scene photos, i had the room all catty wompus! Now i see where they were running.. Makes it all the more unbelievable! And the room is not that big!

    I'm the same..I play things out in my head with room sizes and things. I saw the measurements of the shower and tub and I think the potty room is about the same as the shower..so twelve feet in length there.

    Does anyone know the width of the bathroom between the tub and sink? at the most six feet? So twelve feet in the bathroom proper, and twelve feet in the hall (width is at least three feet) to the carpet.

    So you have Travis body slamming Jodi near the shower and her able to roll to her right...get up and run..with Travis that close all he had to do is grab her and drag her down again after that one foot in and one foot out dance. She said he was out running behind her....she in socks which would give her more traction (thinking of Sheldon and his rubber ducks in his tub) and Travis wet feet running behind her.


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