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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickfalzone View Post
    Interesting video. One more thing that has always made me question the suicide or accidental death theory - if we presume that Elisa in the video went basically from the elevator to the roof, how the heck did she even know where she was going? She was so blind that she had to lean in to within inches away from the buttons to even press them. I find it very hard to believe that she would be able to make it to the roof then make her way into the tank - not only was she legally blind, but it was nighttime and the roof is not lighted... So it's very dark out and she's essentially feeling around blind, and completes the fairly complicated action of getting to the back water tank, climbing up the rickety ladder, taking the top off the tank, and hoisting herself up to then squeeze herself inside the opening. This would be a bit of a task for a normal-sighted individual in the daytime, let alone a legally blind girl at night.
    Yes, I have been taking note of the firemen. They are taller and much better upper body strength than Elisa. Also it was day and I assume they all have good vision. Oh, and none of them are wearing sandals.

    Watching them, it seems more likely that if she was going to have an accident it would be to topple off the tank and, depending on the direction she fell, the ground might be 15 floors down. To avoid that, I guess it had to be a climb up the wooden ladder then straight into the tank.

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    Also, other than the tanks and that one little room, the roof is just a big empty expanse. maybe if you could see the view would be cool. but if you can't... it'd be about like a parking lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by December View Post
    Yes, I have been taking note of the firemen. They are taller and much better upper body strength than Elisa. Also it was day and I assume they all have good vision. Oh, and none of them are wearing sandals.

    Watching them, it seems more likely that if she was going to have an accident it would be to topple off the tank and, depending on the direction she fell, the ground might be 15 floors down. To avoid that, I guess it had to be a climb up the wooden ladder then straight into the tank.
    I'm making assumptions here, but it seems unlikely that she would have been familiar at all with the layout of the roof prior to getting into the tank. So she's basically blind, it's night-time, wearing sandals, and she is in unfamiliar surroundings... For sure, it is not impossible, but the likelihood of her accomplishing this with those details stacked against her seems exceedingly low. One more thing about the severe near-sightedness - it always seemed strange to me that outside the elevator she appeared to be talking/motioning to the ground in front of her. If you can't see someones face when you are talking to them, you may very well hold your head down or in a weird position. She could very well have been talking to someone by the washrooms, but didn't look specifically in that direction because she couldn't see.

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    It is puzzling how she did it. Especially without leaving a trail for the dogs to follow. Since I figured the dogs came up the steps from inside the hotel, then I thought that left the fire escapes as the only option for Elisa to get to the roof without walking exactly where the dogs would be sniffing.

    Elisa is athletic, I believe. So, she might be a bit stronger than she looks. And she was well coordinated from playing sports. But, not being able to see seems to be a huge problem. Even if her vision wasn't quite as bad as the elevator video would indicate, there is the consideration that it is dark.

    I think my vision is worse than hers, but to me those tanks and the room beside them would've blended into one thing from a distance. I'm afraid of heights, so the hotel would HAVE to be on fire to get me on a fire escape. Elisa might have been more adventurous than me, however.

    This is a weird thing and I don't know that it applies to Elisa, but I've seen videos of hypnotized people who could navigate things better under hypnosis than on their own. These tapes were absolutely not from stage hypnotists or anything like that. I'm not saying she was hypnotized at all, but if a similar state of mind can be achieved without intervention by another person maybe that explains how she did these things.

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    Oh, I found out why Elisa might have been so excited at the bookstore (if she was), they have thousands of books for only $1. If she went to get presents for her family and found she could get many more things than she first thought, as well as things for herself... that might make her overbuy on what she could carry. I know I would be excited as heck to find out such a thing! Anyway, this seems to possibly less of a manic episode than it first appeared. Maybe.

    Anyway, I like to think of her, super happy to get a ton of books. Books are awesome.

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    I'm new here but I did read everything on this forum and all else online that I could. Still excuse my overlooking a huge point if I do. Does it seem unreasonable that someone forced her to walk up the ladder, strip, and jump in at gun- or knifepoint? Sure, I'd scream, flail, refuse, etc... but maybe her fragile emotional/mental state (if we believe she was experiencing one) made her do otherwise. Or maybe her fear compunded with thoughts that it may be a better thing to die than go through what might happen or what she had been through before (she did experience rape at 17 according to her blog).
    Having read her tumblr and other blog it seems very likely to me that she would leave a note if she intended to commit suicide. She seemed to be a very contemplative girl who felt compelled to share her thoughts and feelings. One last cryptic post could convince me, but straight from fashion posts to suicide doesn't seem plausible. It seems unlikely to me that she fell, unless she climbed the tower to see the view and fell in the open hole. That doesn't explain her nudity, however. I can see her clothing maybe being pulled off in the tank but not the watch. Just my opinions. Does anyone have any reasons to doubt this or should I go on thinkin' it? I know not many people have posted in a while but I can't stop thinking about this case!

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