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    Quote Originally Posted by zvzvzv View Post
    Interview with super awkward Magnotta supporter Kyle
    He manages to form a few sentences in the span of 5 minutes.
    So much secondhand embarrassment.

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    OK, fan-dude's 15 minutes of fame are up. Moving along.......
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    Today will be the last day of the preliminary hearing then will adjourn until April 8.

    Tweets coming down this morning saying they're only letting a limited number of people in the courtroom today for some reason.

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    I suspect the court will adjourn for Holy Week, Good Friday and Easter. That makes sense to me.
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    Today, it was Ottawa & Canada Post (he's so screwed):

    http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/loc...tryID=10520703
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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post
    Today, it was Ottawa & Canada Post (he's so screwed):

    http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/loc...tryID=10520703
    Can you imagine being the recipient of those packages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChelleBelle View Post
    Can you imagine being the recipient of those packages?
    I can't even think of it.

    I was also looking at newspaper links from when the deliveries were made. Ottawa called in the hazmat people because they didn't know what they were dealing with.

    LM has (already) cost this country a great deal of OUR money!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post
    I can't even think of it.

    I was also looking at newspaper links from when the deliveries were made. Ottawa called in the hazmat people because they didn't know what they were dealing with.

    LM has (already) cost this country a great deal of OUR money!!

    Yep. Plus we had to bring his ass back from Europe... to the tune of $375K http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...ight-cost.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post
    I can't even think of it.

    Let's not forget the hazmat teams and huge police response to the handful of phony packages that caused a large scale response. I'm sure that runs up the bill.

    I was also looking at newspaper links from when the deliveries were made. Ottawa called in the hazmat people because they didn't know what they were dealing with.

    LM has (already) cost this country a great deal of OUR money!!

    For quite some time I've been quite interested to learn, aside from human remains, specifically what the sender included in the package which allowed law enforcement to link the packages to Magnotta.

    If I remember correctly there were multiple on the record statements which LE referred to contents linking the packages.

    On another note, a quick question:
    With the publication ban in mind, what ramifications might young Kyle or other observers of the hearings face if they were to post details of what happened on the web?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HastingsChi View Post
    For quite some time I've been quite interested to learn, aside from human remains, specifically what the sender included in the package which allowed law enforcement to link the packages to Magnotta.

    If I remember correctly there were multiple on the record statements which LE referred to contents linking the packages.

    On another note, a quick question:
    With the publication ban in mind, what ramifications might young Kyle or other observers of the hearings face if they were to post details of what happened on the web?
    I've always been curious about the content of the packages (besides the obvious, and the body parts belonging to Jun Lin). I read in the beginning that there were notes... or letters included with the parcels. The content of the letters were never disclosed. The way I understand it, if information is made public under a publication ban it can be deemed inadmissible later in court, so they keep such evidence closely guarded. I believe there's a LOT of evidence they have not made public for this reason.

    I'm not sure what the consequences of breaching a publication ban are, exactly, but I do know that it's a criminal offense.

    If the case goes to trial, the pub ban will be lifted and this evidence will eventually be made public.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChelleBelle View Post
    I've always been curious about the content of the packages (besides the obvious, and the body parts belonging to Jun Lin). I read in the beginning that there were notes... or letters included with the parcels. The content of the letters were never disclosed. The way I understand it, if information is made public under a publication ban it can be deemed inadmissible later in court, so they keep such evidence closely guarded. I believe there's a LOT of evidence they have not made public for this reason.

    I'm not sure what the consequences of breaching a publication ban are, exactly, but I do know that it's a criminal offense.

    If the case goes to trial, the pub ban will be lifted and this evidence will eventually be made public.
    Am I reading this correctly:
    "if information is made public under a publication ban it can be deemed inadmissible later in court"

    So if someone attending the preliminary hearing wants their 15 minutes in the spotlight and reveals the details of information disclosed in that hearing via a blog or YouTube video; that information becomes an international news story because the easiest route for the media to circumvent a publication ban is to cite information from a third party source (in the form of numerous American media outlets reporting the salacious details revealed by an attendee and putting it on the front page and all over the web), then all of that material could be inadmissible at trial???

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    Quote Originally Posted by HastingsChi View Post
    Am I reading this correctly:
    "if information is made public under a publication ban it can be deemed inadmissible later in court"

    So if someone attending the preliminary hearing wants their 15 minutes in the spotlight and reveals the details of information disclosed in that hearing via a blog or YouTube video; that information becomes an international news story because the easiest route for the media to circumvent a publication ban is to cite information from a third party source (in the form of numerous American media outlets reporting the salacious details revealed by an attendee and putting it on the front page and all over the web), then all of that material could be inadmissible at trial???
    Yes, when they place a publication ban on evidence (as opposed to protecting the identity of minors) it's to ensure the person has a fair trial and to protect their charter of rights. The person is presumed innocent so disclosure of evidence at this stage could influence a potential jury's ability to remain impartial. If the evidence is 'out there' beforehand, it can be argued that the jury was biased.

    The preliminary hearing is not meant to establish guilt or innocence. It's an opportunity for the Crown to present its evidence, and for the judge to decide if the evidence is sufficient to move to a trial. The judge at that time may also upgrade or downgrade the charges, depending on the evidence. If, after hearing all the evidence presented, Luka would have an opportunity to enter a guilty plea and forgo a trial.

    Incidentally, Luka requested the publication ban, and a trial by jury.

    If someone wanted some fame and glory, they could blab on social media, but they risk getting in a lot of trouble. Stephen Williams was sentenced for violating the publication ban in the Paul Bernardo case.

    What they could ultimately do is jeopardize the integrity of the crown's case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HastingsChi View Post
    Am I reading this correctly:
    "if information is made public under a publication ban it can be deemed inadmissible later in court"

    So if someone attending the preliminary hearing wants their 15 minutes in the spotlight and reveals the details of information disclosed in that hearing via a blog or YouTube video; that information becomes an international news story because the easiest route for the media to circumvent a publication ban is to cite information from a third party source (in the form of numerous American media outlets reporting the salacious details revealed by an attendee and putting it on the front page and all over the web), then all of that material could be inadmissible at trial???
    Believe it or not, in the Robert Pickton trial, any information covered under that publication ban was somehow rendered inaccessible by Canadians over the internet to the USA. I don't know how they did it, but it seems the powers that be can even control the web when they need to

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    Well done, my fellow Canadians! I was about to reply to HastingsChi's queries....but you folks did the job for me.

    As far as young Kyle goes, he would be wise to NOT place anything he heard/saw in court on the internet. There WILL be consequences for him. I now suspect that's why he was called away by LE in the court.....to read him our Canadian rules and regs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post
    Well done, my fellow Canadians! I was about to reply to HastingsChi's queries....but you folks did the job for me.

    As far as young Kyle goes, he would be wise to NOT place anything he heard/saw in court on the internet. There WILL be consequesnces for him. I now suspect that's why he was called away by LE in the court.....to read him our Canadian rules and regs!

    I guess they don't use publication bans much in the US, if at all. They are considered a violation of the First Amendment right to free speech. Instead, they use a grand jury in the preliminary process.

    That said, I still don't really understand the purpose of a publication ban in a preliminary hearing when they open the courtroom to the public, as that could also encompass potential jurors.

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