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    Quote Originally Posted by crime cases addict View Post
    Hummm could she have cleaned them up and sold them at a pawn shop en route??
    This was too Planned in my opinion. and that would be too foolish in my opinion. So I do not agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katiedid2 View Post
    I'm with you on this. Oh how awesome if Matt had it and gave to prosecution.
    If Matt has had the gun all the time. And they have it for the prosecution, I would rather be upset that this case is not disclosed and wasted 1. 4,000,000 dollars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pink Panther View Post
    It is not TA's foot. It's a blood spot that takes the absurd shape of a tiny footprint. It's right beside his shoulder. No way, no how, it's not his foot.

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    Moo I respectfully disagree. it is his foot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pink Panther View Post
    Well then, if you think it's his foot, it's about 40 ft away from his body. JM pointed to the picture and said his foot was in the direction of the bathroom. He did not point to the blood spot immediately to the right of TA's shoulder and say that it was his foot. If so, it would be a very tiny foot!

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    There are quite a few photographs doing reactantments on this photograph on this situation. Have you seen them? I was with you until I saw 3 different folks do the same exact photographic evidence and show it looks exactly like that. 1 of them was brought over this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minor4th View Post
    Correct, his Foot is in the direction of the bathroom, and it looks 40 feet away because of the weird perspective from the camera being right next to Jodi's foot in the foreground.

    I thought exactly like you do -- no way is that tiny thing his foot -- until I saw a recreation photo that I believe is posted somewhere on this thread, and sure enough the Travis Double's foot is tiny just like in the real pic.
    Just when I think I am skipping for catching up, I am behind 1 post! Minor has just repeated what I just said above!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    No. Juan had withdrawn the picture of Travis and the ceiling shot was on the monitor when he asked her. So she answered that the ceiling shot was before she shot Travis. You have to watch the video closely.
    I was just coming to post the same thing. He has the photos on top of each other & moved the "slit neck foot" one to the "accidental ceiling" one. Then a short time later, he moves "slit neck foot" back. It happens quickly so you have to watch carefully.

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    Thanks, I see the foot now.
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    I changed my mind. I don't think it's Travis' foot. It's Jodi's hand made into a fist to help balance her on the floor. I blew it up on my computer. Do the same and see if you see what I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Dan View Post
    I changed my mind. I don't think it's Travis' foot. It's Jodi's hand made into a fist to help balance her on the floor. I blew it up on my computer. Do the same and see if you see what I see.
    [B]BBM:[/B ]Do you mean JA's foot?

    Can you post a pic of the blown up version you did please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey2Me1MoThyme View Post
    [B]BBM:[/B ]Do you mean JA's foot?

    Can you post a pic of the blown up version you did please?
    All I did is do CNTRL + a few times and it makes the screen zoom in on things. If you want to make the screen image smaller do CNTRL - instead.

    I don't think it's Jodi's foot because she was wearing boots.
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    I was really sold on both of Jodi's feet showing in that photo. However I just read Det Flores report and he specifically refers to JA's right foot. I wonder if they have a clearer version of the pic which has made it easier to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gauntlet View Post
    I was really sold on both of Jodi's feet showing in that photo. However I just read Det Flores report and he specifically refers to JA's right foot. I wonder if they have a clearer version of the pic which has made it easier to see that.
    I thought he just said...that's your foot. Not referring to left or right. Maybe he just stated "your foot" because the left is so hard to make out so he can't say feet.. Just to amplify that "that is your foot", as far as the clear foot image can be seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pip View Post
    I thought he just said...that's your foot. Not referring to left or right. Maybe he just stated "your foot" because the left is so hard to make out so he can't say feet.. Just to amplify that "that is your foot", as far as the clear foot image can be seen.
    Det Flores investigation report refers to JA's right foot. http://wildabouttrial.com/court_docu...gation-report/

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    Quote Originally Posted by gauntlet View Post
    Det Flores investigation report refers to JA's right foot. http://wildabouttrial.com/court_docu...gation-report/
    Ok, but I still think it would be for the same reason.. the left (although there) is hard to make out so it just fogs the impact of the evidentiary value.

    Perry, who was dubbed the "Velvet Hammer" by tweeters,
    went on to say that he believed there was sufficient evidence to sustain a
    first-degree murder conviction
    .

    "Justice has been served in the sense that the jury has spoken but justice will
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    "And she's going to live, deal with this for
    the rest of her life."

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    Quote Originally Posted by katiecoolady View Post
    I hear you...and really those details don't matter in the end because they are just part and parcel of her evilness.

    I have to wonder if a slight part of one of her many stories is true and if she didn't have on some kind of "Ninja" suit with her hair covered and face and even gloves so all she had to do was strip off her "murder suit" and throw it in a prepared garbage bag (I do think this was that premeditated) and change clothes and walk out all la de da. That neighborhood would be light at that time of evening and houses are VERY close together. She would have to look pretty normal to not get noticed, although I do think she'd pulled her car in to the garage.
    This is exactly what I have thought she's done. I'm glad you feel the same. Especially after watching all the interrogation videos this weekend, its clear to me that elements from her 'ninja' story to Det. Flores are partial truths, and I figure she at least wore a balaclava, that's why she was surprised when he told her they have her hair samples. Travis may well have removed it off her head. I think the 'ninja' story comes as close as possible to her revealing what happened.

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    I don't think she would have stopped at a campground to get rid of evidence. Even if they were deserted during June, it's too risky for her to be seen in that type of location, also too risky for her to dispose of the gun/knife in a park garbage can which is more easily searchable. I think she chose a remote location along the stretch of highway to Hoover Dam where she could tell if there was no traffic, then pulled off and buried the items or threw them into a river. The other would be she disposed of them just before the Hoover Dam checkpoint.

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    I found some great links from here and another forum that help visualize the hallway picture of Travis, too.

    Check them out:

    [IMG]http://************************/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Travis-Alexander-3d-model-example.jpg[/IMG]

    Then this one shows the very important JA's foot photo, but it also shows more of the tile than many pics of it show. One of our awesome posters circled the exact tile pattern that identifies where in the hallway this took place! (WARNING: graphic photo):

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/att...7&d=1364152390

    Then this one shows the placement of feet and camera and Travis, using the same unusual tile pattern seen in the JA-foot photo:



    I didn't mean to lose the main post here where I found those attachments, but I lost that window in my sea of browser tabs THANK YOU to the original poster who did such a great job!

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    Just a quick note: On the stand, Jodi admitted it was her foot in the picture and that she was wearing sox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gauntlet View Post
    I was really sold on both of Jodi's feet showing in that photo. However I just read Det Flores report and he specifically refers to JA's right foot. I wonder if they have a clearer version of the pic which has made it easier to see that.
    the reason it's the right foot is because the stripes on pants run on the outside of the leg, not the inside

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    Quote Originally Posted by vallie View Post
    the reason it's the right foot is because the stripes on pants run on the outside of the leg, not the inside
    A few people have wondered if it was Jodi's left foot, hence my comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Dan View Post
    Can anyone find me a time stamped photo of Travis' ceiling that Jodi claims was accidentally taken when she dropped the camera?
    That pic is shown during the evidence on Day 6 of the trial when Michael Melendez (Mesa PD computer forensics dude) is testifying. Tawni Dilly's youtube vids. It was recivered from the camera's memory stick and is listed in evidence as Exhibit #161 taken 6/4/2008 at 5:31:14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    I truly don't think JA had TA in any kind of stranglehold or anything fancy like that. She didn't need to as she had a gun and a knife. The crime happened fast: 62 seconds. No time for ninja poses or anything else. She went after him quickly and viciously, using 2 weapons. I think that's the long and short of it. Regardless of whether the knife came first or the gunshot came first, it was a brutal, painful crime. And frankly, she'll never disclose exactly how this all went down and we'll never know for sure. Further, neither the gun or knife has been found and it's coming up on 5 yrs since the murder. I don't think those items will ever be found or if they are, I don't think they'll get turned in. She'll be convicted and sentenced long before such a thing ever happens.
    And since Jodi has admitted to shooting Travis wouldn't she have revealed to her DT exactly or within the general area of where she disposed of the gun so they could try and find it to prove it was Travis' gun. She had to have known where she stopped and if she buried it or threw it in a river. Jodi offers nothing to explain what she did with it, just somewhere along the way to SLC but before the Hoover Dam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scubagrannie View Post
    That pic is shown during the evidence on Day 6 of the trial when Michael Melendez (Mesa PD computer forensics dude) is testifying. Tawni Dilly's youtube vids. It was recivered from the camera's memory stick and is listed in evidence as Exhibit #161 taken 6/4/2008 at 5:31:14

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    Thanks, I found it. The stamp is very difficult to see because it's so dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcharlie View Post
    I'm hoping the court observers will pay very close attention to the jurors on Tuesday, as ALV's testimony may bring some very disturbing information to light.

    Important for people to be aware that JA tried to plead for lesser charges and if the charges were not reduced, she made it known that her defense strategy would include collateral damage to both TA's image and others close to him. TA's family is aware of the evidence and knows what the defense plans to present.

    http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.c...riasngfile.pdf

    The emails between TA and the Hughes is something that the defense finds compelling and may show TA to be less than a gentleman when it comes to his relationships with women in general and specifically JA. Whether or not it is compelling enough to sway the jury remains to be seen. The DT is now heading into what it considers to be the meat and the potatoes of its strategy; trial watchers need to be open minded here and understand that while TA's image will not come out of this squeaky clean, this in no way gives any justification for a gunshot wound to the head, 27 stab wounds and the slashing of his throat.

    The family will need support as they go through this difficult week of testimony. They do know the intentions of the DT and I have no doubt they are as prepared as they can possibly be for this emotional part of the trial. I have confidence in them and JM in making the decision to reject 2cnd degree murder charges with a maximum sentence of 25 years and pursue the death penalty.

    This week will not be one for the faint of heart.

    If you want to discuss this, please do so on the main thread here so we can keep this thread clear for the court observations.
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    Dear Jodi, Nurmi & Jenny Willmott:

    I don't care if Travis slept with more women than Hugh Hefner.
    I don't care if Travis had anal and oral sex on a daily basis with prostitutes.
    I don't care if Travis treated Jodi Arias like a street-walking prostitute.
    I don't care if Travis told Jodi Arias she was worth nothing more than her genitals.
    I don't care if Travis promised Jodi Arias he would marry her and then told her she was too much a piece of garbage for him to even be seen out in public with.

    HE DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE SLAUGHTERED AND LEFT TO ROT.

    Dear ALV:

    You are 20-30 years late with your "Patriarchal Terrorism" and your folksy tales of mean men and angelic women.

    You are an embarrassment to ALL women and men survivors of violence (Including me).

    Listening to a pathological liar and regurgitating her lies on the stand does not make it THE TRUTH. I makes you a MOUTHPIECE who is JUSTIFYING TRAVIS' MURDER at the hands of an ABUSER.

    No reasonable person will ever listen to you again since you're telling us that VIOLENCE AGAINST MEN BY WOMEN PERPS IS OK. It's not.

    I've been caring for my 3 young children and a husband with an intestinal virus all weekend & we were all too sick to even do Easter! I'm sick to death of the BS coming out of this trial--this "expert" and her absurd view of the world just makes me sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    ... The crime happened fast: 62 seconds. No time for ninja poses or anything else. She went after him quickly and viciously, using 2 weapons.
    There has been alot of discussion on the "62 second" elapsed time for committing the crime theory. Where this began was in JM's cross examination of JA as the theory of how long it took her to run through the closet, grab the gun, return to shoot TA. We know that JA is a liar, has lied and will lie. Therefore I have decided to impeach her testimony and will consider NONE of what she has said in my decision and simply rely on the evidence.

    Now, if we "forget" what she said in response to the 62 seconds and simply look at the evidence we can see that the portion crime that was inadvertently recorded and subsequently deleted from the camera took at least 3 minutes and 2 seconds.

    If you'd like to review my analysis, I used the testimony of Det. Michael Melendez, Mesa PD given on Day 6 of the trial. You can find it in Tawni Dilly's youtube video stream as "Day 6 Part 2" and the detective begins to present his testimony on the deleted images at approx. 10:53 into the recording.

    For the timeline of the murder I used exhibits #141-163 and their respective times as noted on the date/time stamp from the camera.

    Exhibits #141-160 were on the memory stick of the camera and had not been deleted.

    Exhibit #141 timestamp 5:22:24
    Exhibit #160 timestamp 5:30:30
    - elapsed time 8 minutes 6 seconds (these are photos in the bedroom of JA, TA, and shower)

    Exhibits #161, 162, and 163 were deleted from the camera's memory stick but recovered from the unallocated portion of the memory stick by Det. Melendez)

    Exhibit 161: "the bathroom ceiling picture showing light and upper wall" timestamp 5:31:14 - This image was recorded 44 seconds after the last "normal" image of TA's face as he is seated in the shower looking to his right directly into the camera lens. There is no testimony of what happened in the 44 seconds between #160 and #161. Det. Melendez testified that there was no way to tell if photos were taken during a time period and deleted if they had been overwritten by another image. That said, something was happening in the 44 seconds between Exhibit #160 and #161 but we cannot speculate as to what was happening. What we do know is that the camera was right-side up and held at approx. 2-3' above the floor when this image was taken.

    Exhibit #162: this is the picture of TA's body, JA's foot, some blood and is taken on a tile floor. Melendez testified the camera was upside down and on the floor when this image was taken. Image is timestamped 5:32:16. This image is 62 seconds later than Exhibit #161 and is the focus of JM's cross examination of JA where the "62 seconds to run to the closet to get the gun etc" began. However, we know that is NOT when JA went to get the gun, not only because she lies but because the evidence shows in this photo that TA is already bleeding from at least ONE wound on the front of his body. We can see blood trails from his chest area traveling over his right shoulder and toward the floor. IF TA had been shot at this time we would see blood from the right-side head wound in this pic. Also TA sustained a stab wound to the right-side of the back of his neck. Blood trails in this picture do not indicate this non-fatal neck wound has yet been inflicted. IMO TA is still very much alive in this picture, having not yet sustained the fatal wound to his vena cava nor the throat slashing wound. Also IMO this picture was taken during the struggle where TA is fighting for his life - will explore the "whys" of this later.

    Exhibit # 163 timestamp 5:33:32 (baseboard closeup) Camera on the floor and upside down. This image is taken 1 minute 16 seconds after #162. Something was happening and the shutter on the camera opened and recorded this image. We can speculate that the camera was bumped or touched and the image recorded.

    My temporary conclusion on timestamped evidence photos:
    - If you believe the attack began at 5:31:14 (when Ex. 161 was taken) then there is at least a 2 minute 18 second interval (Ex 163) that documents a portion of the attack on TA.

    - If you believe "something" happened while TA is in the shower and you use the timestamp from Ex 160 (5:30:30) then there is a 3 minute 2 second period of time where the attack on TA is documented.

    With at least 3 minutes documented we have still not covered the massive blood stain in the hall nor the time is would have taken TA to travel from the bathroom where the attack began toward the bedroom (and possibly out of the house to safety) where I believe the final mortal stab wounds were inflicted. (Will give my reasoning for that in another post)

    So, did TA fight for his life for a "mere" 62 seconds or did he fight for his life for at least 3 minutes 2 seconds as documented by the photos recovered from the camera or did the attack continue from the bathroom to the hallway and take longer than 3 minutes 2 seconds? How long does a man need to fight for his life to convince the jury of Murder 1?

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