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    The gravestone.....A clue?

    One of the most intriguing things I have read about this case is the information about the gravestone.On the stone,it said that Jonbenet died on the 25th of December 1996.She was found dead on the 26th at 1pm.
    The Ramsey's claimed to have returned from their dinner at the Whites that night at around 10pm.If Jonbenet died on the 25th,that means she was killed between 10pm and 12am.The murder could have happened anytime between 12am and 6am-the early hours of boxing day morning.
    How did John and Patsy Ramsey know that their daughter before midnight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlairAdele
    One of the most intriguing things I have read about this case is the information about the gravestone.On the stone,it said that Jonbenet died on the 25th of December 1996.She was found dead on the 26th at 1pm.
    The Ramsey's claimed to have returned from their dinner at the Whites that night at around 10pm.If Jonbenet died on the 25th,that means she was killed between 10pm and 12am.The murder could have happened anytime between 12am and 6am-the early hours of boxing day morning.
    How did John and Patsy Ramsey know that their daughter before midnight?

    BlairAdele,

    I agree with you that the murder, judging from what we know, more than likely took place after midnight -- making the date of death 12/26/96, not 12/25/96.

    And since the Ramseys claim they don't know what happened after everyone was in bed by about 10:30 P.M., how would they know JonBenet died on 12/25/96? Obviously, they wouldn't know.

    Here's my guess on why they selected 12/25/96 as the date of death on JonBenet's gravestone:

    As you may know, my theory about this crime includes a fifth person in the house that night, and that person was about the same age as Burke. Burke was four weeks away from being 10 years old, and thus not legally culpable in Colorado. But what if the fifth person in the house that night was born on December 26, and would be 10 years old and therefore legally culpable if the crime was committed on 12/26/96 -- but would be only 9 years old and not legally culpable if the crime was committed on 12/25/96?

    Were the Ramseys trying to shield someone, a kid, from prosecution just in case the crime was traced to children?

    IOW, what were the birthdates of some of the boys in the neighborhood? There were a lot of boys living nearby. Was one of them born on December 26, 1986?

    BlueCrab

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    BlairAdele,

    I agree with you that the murder, judging from what we know, more than likely took place after midnight -- making the date of death 12/26/96, not 12/25/96.

    And since the Ramseys claim they don't know what happened after everyone was in bed by about 10:30 P.M., how would they know JonBenet died on 12/25/96? Obviously, they wouldn't know.

    Here's my guess on why they selected 12/25/96 as the date of death on JonBenet's gravestone:

    As you may know, my theory about this crime includes a fifth person in the house that night, and that person was about the same age as Burke. Burke was four weeks away from being 10 years old, and thus not legally culpable in Colorado. But what if the fifth person in the house that night was born on December 26, and would be 10 years old and therefore legally culpable if the crime was committed on 12/26/96 -- but would be only 9 years old and not legally culpable if the crime was committed on 12/25/96?

    Were the Ramseys trying to shield someone, a kid, from prosecution just in case the crime was traced to children?

    IOW, what were the birthdates of some of the boys in the neighborhood? There were a lot of boys living nearby. Was one of them born on December 26, 1986?

    BlueCrab
    But what are the chances of letting Burke let a friend spend the night on Christmas? Or do you think this boy was supposed to go to Michigan with the family?

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    IF THE RAMSEY'S ARE INNOCENT - THEY HAVE GIVEN AN INNOCENT EXPLANATION. They wanted the world to remember that evil lurks in this world even on Christ's birthday. I don't think there is any clue in that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueclouds
    IF THE RAMSEY'S ARE INNOCENT - THEY HAVE GIVEN AN INNOCENT EXPLANATION. They wanted the world to remember that evil lurks in this world even on Christ's birthday. I don't think there is any clue in that at all.
    blueclouds,

    So the Ramseys LIE to honor Christ's birthday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    blueclouds,

    So the Ramseys LIE to honor Christ's birthday?
    I'm not certain they're guilty BlueCrab. I lean towards the intruder theory BUT I do not support the steps the Ramsey's took to "protect" themselves.

    IF IF they did not know when JB died, I too would have put December 25th on my child's gravestone. Just my

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    here's what they KNEW

    if you want to know what was actually KNOWN about time of death, you have to look at the autopsy report. according to that, JBR died on 12/26/96 @ 13:23. is this right? isn't 13:23 really 1:23pm? are they saying JBR died in the afternoon? that makes no sense to me. can someone enlighten me? am i misreading this document?

    there are other documents at the smoking gun that you may or may not have seen and may be interested in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
    if you want to know what was actually KNOWN about time of death, you have to look at the autopsy report. according to that, JBR died on 12/26/96 @ 13:23. is this right? isn't 13:23 really 1:23pm? are they saying JBR died in the afternoon? that makes no sense to me. can someone enlighten me? am i misreading this document?

    there are other documents at the smoking gun that you may or may not have seen and may be interested in...
    Yeppers, you are correct Voice - the autopsy says date and time of death as 12/26/96 at 1323 (or 1:23 PM).....

    So often times it happens that we live our life in chains, and we never even know we have the key. ...Eagles, "Already Gone"

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    That is when her body was found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poco
    Yeppers, you are correct Voice - the autopsy says date and time of death as 12/26/96 at 1323 (or 1:23 PM).....


    The typist used the approximate time the body was discovered (12/26/96 at 1:23 PM) because the coroner refused to estimate the time of death, even though the time was actually 1:05 PM when John and Fleet discovered JonBenet in the wine cellar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    The typist used the approximate time the body was discovered (12/26/96 at 1:23 PM) because the coroner refused to estimate the time of death, even though the time was actually 1:05 PM when John and Fleet discovered JonBenet in the wine cellar.

    It's not true that the coroner refused to estimate the time of death.

    "I consider estimation of time of death to be an interpretative finding rather than a factual statement, and it is not this office's practice to include this estimate as part of any autopsy report," Boulder County Coroner John Meyer said.

    He said the estimate is interpretive and something he would share only on the witness stand.

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    with all due respect

    In my opinion there is absolutely nothing germane about the date on the monument.

    If the Ramseys had chosen Dec. 26, y'all would be seeing that as meriting condemnation or extremely relevant somehow.

    So, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

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    Oh my goodness, Poco! Totally off topic here...but that pic of MJ....couldn't you at least have posted one with him wearing his pajama pants? LOL

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    Cool From the Police Files

    John has this to say about the date chosen for JonBenet's headstone:

    "frankly her body was cool when I found her, the arms were stiff. And I wanted to tell the world that you killed my daughter on Christmas Day. Don't ever forget."

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    Actually John Meyer did a rush job on the autopsy and was slammed by his peers over it. He didn't take ocular fluid temp or liver temp to determine the TOD.

    I have to wonder who the "you" is in John's statement.

    He obviously knows who killed her IMO. That's why he says "you"...and who would forget they killed her over the x-mas holiday?

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