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    I think Karma got scared that AVL got Juan so ticked he literally asked if she wanted to spar with him so Karma knocked her down a peg or two very quickly. And so should it. This is a trial. She should have remembered that everything she does concerning her "field" could be brought into question by the man speaking for the victim. She took his questions and treated him as if he was some fool. Her mask slipped off and her blatant hate of powerful men took over.

    I can't wait until Monday and I am so excited for you trial watchers. You are so lucky to be able to see this in person. Maybe bring Juan some more candies becuase they sure seemed to give him that zap he needed! I wonder if he had some in his pocket. "Power chocolates"

    Side Note: If Juan Martinez asked if I wanted to spar with him I would literally tinkle myself. Right then and there. I love him. I know he is a down to earth, teddy bear, who is a fun and really great guy....as long as do not become his target by slaughtering anyone. Don't do that!


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    Over the years, one of the biggest fights in the domestic violence arena has centered around the credibility of its victims who are very often - but are by no means exclusively - women. Over the years thoughtful, credible and experienced experts have fought hard to bring legitimacy to the voices of the victims of domestic abuse. In just a few days, Alyce LaViolette - in her spirited, phoney and money-grubbing defense of a liar and a murderer - destroyed so much of the progress made on behalf of vulnerable women (and men) everywhere. There is nothing, NOTHING she can ever do or say that will redeem her shameful performance on behalf of Jodi Arias and her own financial bottom line. My sincere hope is that she is never again given the opportunity to exploit vulnerable women and men for her own financial gain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    Was Jodi texting in court?
    At one point yesterday it sure looked like she was texting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babs S View Post
    Just Saying.....I LIVE in AZ and so proud to have a vey smart and passionate prosecuting attorney like Martinez to keep skanks on their toes for the rest of us who are law abiding and pay our taxes.
    Thanks. I think JM is a great prosecutor and he will win this case. For Travis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    I don't think the "gets results" had anything to do with the verdict. Results are how he is able to turn witnesses' testimony around to answering more truthfully in terms of facts and what the evidence shows. jmo
    Exactly. Yet I do believe he will win this case and the results will be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeeBee View Post
    I thought the TH's were pretty unfair to Martinez yesterday. He did not come out blazing. He started out very calm with her asking reasonable questions about her credentials. She got very testy right away and that's when the gloves came off. Her condescending nature was a huge turn off. And the Snow White makes perfect sense. I thought it was brilliant. The only reason it dragged is because she wouldn't answer honestly. Of course, the cross has just begun and they need to see where it goes. I don't know why no one ever criticizes the DT though. They spend days and days and days questioning their witness to basically say the same thing over and over again. Martinez' questioning is not linear and it usually goes somewhere. We all wondered where he was going with the gas can stuff and then BOOM! She lied on the stand. To your faces jury.

    I understand why Eiglarsh is so critical, though. He's a law professor. He teaches law 101 and probably has a simple style. Also, I think he really wants Martinez to win and is appalled at the nature of the crime and the antics of the DT and doesn't want to see him lose because of his demeanor. I laughed yesterday when his attitude was kind of like, "really? What am I doing here? We're going to talk about Jodi's hair?" And when Drew's replacement only asked Katie one question, what she thought of Jodi's hair, he just got this seriously? look on his face and said, "that's it?" I still love him. I love that he's the co-host this week.
    Mark is adorable and easy on the eyes. However, I am a very loyal fan of JM. Don't like him being criticized when he is fighting for justice for Travis and his family. Don't like it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaddy Wonders View Post
    I thought JS could have been a little more commanding in her admonition to the gallery. "If you don't mind, please consider not laughing in the courtroom. Or not. Whatever."
    More like "Ladies and gentlemen you are reminded that this is a court of law and not a sporting event. If you cannot conduct yourselves as such please exit the courtroom or you will be escorted out." She is definitely not a tiger of a justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shantastic View Post
    At one point yesterday it sure looked like she was texting!
    Everything she does is monitored. I don't see how that would be allowed after her little incident with the magazines. jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babs S View Post
    Just Saying.....I LIVE in AZ and so proud to have a vey smart and passionate prosecuting attorney like Martinez to keep skanks on their toes for the rest of us who are law abiding and pay our taxes.
    And a many taxes you are a payin' for this <mod snip> to be defended.
    Last edited by fran; 04-07-2013 at 02:34 AM. Reason: no name calling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezumi View Post
    Over the years, one of the biggest fights in the domestic violence arena has centered around the credibility of its victims who are very often - but are by no means exclusively - women. Over the years thoughtful, credible and experienced experts have fought hard to bring legitimacy to the voices of the victims of domestic abuse. In just a few days, Alyce LaViolette - in her spirited, phoney and money-grubbing defense of a liar and a murderer - destroyed so much of the progress made on behalf of vulnerable women (and men) everywhere. There is nothing, NOTHING she can ever do or say that will redeem her shameful performance on behalf of Jodi Arias and her own financial bottom line. My sincere hope is that she is never again given the opportunity to exploit vulnerable women and men for her own financial gain.
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...nse-gone-wrong

    I brought this over from the daily thread. It was an excellent read on the DV subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LimoDriver View Post
    And a many taxes you are a payin' for this trash to be defended.
    So very true....so maybe that is why the jails are not as nice here as they are well lets say in Canada! TENT city baby....hahaha I love me a Sheriff Joe too And Oh my a few years ago was able to take a tour of death Row in Florence, AZ for a college class:...holy smoke that was some unholy hell!

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    So this TH on HLN is talking about the visitors Jodi has had while in jail. They mention that a producer from Dr. Phil, who used to be at HLN, has visited her 3 times this year. She then ask in a snarky tone " If it is Dr. Phil reps going to see her can there be an exchange of money?" And Joey says well they may have hidden discussions about getting the first interview ect. He goes on to discuss the Son of Sam laws. As if HLN is not all about making money off of Jodi Arias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmn View Post
    I agree about JA texting. That's what I thought too.
    Is it the bailiff's job to keep this kind of thing in check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezumi View Post
    Over the years, one of the biggest fights in the domestic violence arena has centered around the credibility of its victims who are very often - but are by no means exclusively - women. Over the years thoughtful, credible and experienced experts have fought hard to bring legitimacy to the voices of the victims of domestic abuse. In just a few days, Alyce LaViolette - in her spirited, phoney and money-grubbing defense of a liar and a murderer - destroyed so much of the progress made on behalf of vulnerable women (and men) everywhere. There is nothing, NOTHING she can ever do or say that will redeem her shameful performance on behalf of Jodi Arias and her own financial bottom line. My sincere hope is that she is never again given the opportunity to exploit vulnerable women and men for her own financial gain.

    over at the mental health and criminal justice blog there is a good article on alyce:

    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-...tiny/#comments

    and there is another one about a woman acquitted of killing her husband:

    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/alask...d-as-he-slept/

    ALASKAN WOMAN ACQUITTED OF KILLING HUSBAND AS HE SLEPT
    In the context of the Jodi Arias case, this story is interesting.

    An Alaskan woman, Lisa Donlon, was recently acquitted of shooting and killing her husband as he slept. Lisa alleged that he held her against her will and tortured her for three days. Lisa admits to shooting him six times, once in the head and five times in the back. She then called 911 to report the shooting.

    The defense argued that Mr. Donlon raped and tortured his wife for three days, holding her hostage in a 20×20 cabin deep in the Alaskan wilderness.

    There were medical records that showed evidence of “scrapes and bruises” but no evidence of the torturing. A nurse, however, testified that Lisa’s injuries were “pattern injuries” meaning that they reflected what she said happened. For instance, Lisa said that she was beaten with a belt and her injuries were consistent with her claims.

    Older evidence also supported her domestic violence claims. She had obtained a restraining order against her husband in 1995. At the time of the restraining order, there was evidence that she had sustained injuries from him. According to the restraining order, he was upset about their potential divorce, packed his belongings, including two loaded guns and was attempting to force her to call the police because he wanted to be shot by police officers (“suicide by cop”).

    The restraining order (which he was charged with violating) also noted that he had pointed a gun at her chest, forced her out of their home when she was nude (her sons witnessed this event) and choked her until she became unconscious.

    “I’m afraid now to face my husband before our divorce process is over. I have a feeling that he would use his guns easily and I don’t want to create any situation that would trigger that,” she wrote in the restraining order.

    Initially the grand jury declined to indict the Alaskan woman but did eventually after prosecutors presented them with new evidence.

    Her lawyers argued that she was a victim of domestic violence and that shooting her husband was justified.

    In the Donlon case, there was evidence of domestic violence. There was a restraining order, violations of the restraining order by her husband, documented injuries by doctors, testimony of healthcare workers who could verify her injuries, and witnesses to at least one incident of abuse.

    Alternatively, in the Jodi Arias case, there are no witnesses to abuse. No documented injuries by doctors, healthcare workers or police. No reports of abuse in her journals. No evidence that Jodi ever feared Travis. No restraining order. No calls to the police. There is not one piece of corroborating evidence to support any claim of abuse.

    Between these two cases, you be the judge as to which one seems like the true domestic violence case.

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    KCL or PASA -
    Do you ladies (or anyone else!) know what it was that the judge was going to speak to ALV about after court? Juan reminded the judge just before the feed ended.

    Thanks for all you do - LOVE all of your insider notes and information and I really appreciate the time you all take to keep us all in the loop.
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    This is an excellent article by Janice Harper. People always think of abuse being done by men on women but women can be violent abusers too. Jodi was a
    jealous, obsessed stalker who was capable of anything. Why would any woman drive over a thousand miles to seek out a man that had abused her in the past?
    Travis and Jodi were never married, not really in a "relationship" for very long- there was no divorce involved or children or custody troubles & thus no court proceedings.

    There were no reports of any abuse ever made and everything shows that she was a willing partner in the sex games.
    If Travis had abused her, she certainly would never drive a thousand miles to be abused again. she went there to kill him.

    Her defense is an insult to true victims of abuse.
    How many men are abused and do not report it as it is not socially acceptable? Perhaps this case will bring male abuse issues to the forefront.

    Although we all know Jodi's entire life is a lie, it's disgusting to hear so called "experts" condemn the victim in this case and help drag him through the mud -- especially when it's all based on Jodi's fabricated stories.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janice...b_2981003.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaRN View Post
    I have a fantasy of JM showing her the autopsy photo where TA's head is flexed back so the ME could measure the depth of the neck wound and him asking where that would fit into her precious continuum that places choking on the high end of DV. I want him to make her physically ill, rating the wounds and explaining where each would fall on her invented scale. When she starts to cry on the stand I want him to remind her that each tear is costing the AZ taxpayer about 10 bucks, so pull it together Ms. Expert- you already re-assasinated his character for your Snow White sitting at the defense table now study hard her handy work and tell the jury all about your snow white to wicked witch conversion theory. Is this what it looks like?
    This would be perfect. We can actually see the damage that Jodi did when she physically abused Travis. ALV needs to see this since she can't interview Travis to get his thoughts about how much Jodi's abuse hurt him.

    In my fantasy, Juan would start off showing Jodi's jacked finger so she can blah blah blah about how this unproven accusation from an admitted liar must be a daily reminder to the abuse that Jodi suffered or whatever idiot theory she may have about it.

    Then, out come the autopsy and crime scene photos so ALV can see for herself the real abuse that Travis suffered and discuss each and every wound that was inflicted upon Travis while he fought for his life. I'd like to hear her explanation as to why Jodi escaped that whole incident with nothing more than hurt feelings because Travis said that a 5 year old could hold a camera better than her.

    I want to know how ALV excuses Jodi's behavior the day that she slaughtered Travis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crimesnooper View Post
    I don't know about jurors, but the talking heads on TV have blasted JM over the SNow White junk and have been very hard on him regarding the style he used with this witness. Really, really negative.
    I've heard the negative talk, too. I strongly disagree. I think it was smart of JM to begin with this and it magnifies the ridiculousness of ALV's testimony. He used the word fantastical and that's a perfect description of JA's story. The jurors were left to ponder this all weekend long. Good job JM!!

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    As we exited the courthouse yesterday this is what we were greeted with.
    They (media) were waiting for tri-color to emerge from the courtroom.







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    After HH a local news station wanted to interview KCL. He came over to where we were. I took some pics of her being interviewed. Steve Kujz was the reporter, and just as nice as he could be.



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    PASA, Thank you so much for the pictures. Did Juror#5 exit out the front doors. I was watching a feed of the courtroom after court was adjourned and it looked like one of the court personnel was talking to her and possibly discussing other ways for her to exit. I only say that because they were using arm and body language that looked like the kind you do when you are giving someone directions.

    I have watched KCL's interview twice. It is so good. I have sent 2 checks to the family now. (every payday) and they are not big but I think every little bit has to help and if everyone sent what they could afford it might ease their burden. I think KCL said if everyone sent 10 dollars it would soon add up! (financial burden, nothing will ease the burden of losing their brother and having to listen to the defense). Hugs to you and KCL for all you do.

    Cannot wait for Monday. JM is doing a great job. I remember how negative the TH's were during the Scott Peterson trial about the prosecution and then had to eat their words when they pulled it all together and the puzzle pieces came together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doester View Post
    BBM - I found it completely unprofessional that the DT's note-passing-person (sorry don't know her title) not only burst out laughing but appeared to be ready for that line and was on the verge of laughing for a minute prior.
    She's the mitigation specialist. The ratty looking one who sits behind the defense table.


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    ALV & Samantha chat

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    ALV just came off stand and approached Samamtha- weird and actually illegal
    Have we gotten any more info on this???

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmn View Post
    Pasa were you in court when this happened?
    Yes I was. I was busy taking notes looking down. I heard the laughter but I didn't see much from where I was sitting.

    More than once there were snickers from the gallery when ALV said something stupid. MOO on the stupid part. No one was laughing at Juan, they are laughing at ALV.


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    Quote Originally Posted by katiecoolady View Post
    PSA Having some real pain issues w/ my hands and arms and I have to use them today for my job this afternoon so I'm gonna stop typing for the rest of the day. Please save any questions here or pm's until I can rest up a bit..then I'll get back to posting..thanks! PASA is here to answer all your questions about court yesterday..she was there all afternoon!
    I hope you're not getting the crud. The one I had last week started out with all the bones in my hands, forearms, and feet hurting. Then the chills and fever. It was no fun.

    Please take care of yourself, don't worry about the board. It will wait for you.

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