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    Exclamation read this warning from SoSueMe, websleuths co-owner, before posting in this thread

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    Those who have been dragging your husbands around...did they "play dead"? No help from them?

    ETA: Ooooh, first!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXHoney View Post
    Those who have been dragging your husbands around...did they "play dead"? No help from them?

    ETA: Ooooh, first!
    For those that might have missed it, I posted at the end of the last thread a video from HLN where they had one of their producers, who is the defendant's size, drag the dummy (around 180 lbs) back to the shower.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...postcount=1688
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    Excerpts from JA's journal - Friday, June 13, 2008

    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-...nal-entries-2/

    "Travis, I have so much to thank you for. I'm grateful that I ceased the opportunity to do so on so many occasions (like when she murdered him), being aware that you were a "words of affirmation" kind of guy. Thank you for all you've done for me. Thank you for opening your home to me more times than I could count. "My refrigerator is your refrigerator."

    (Freudian slip? Obviously, she meant to say she 'seized' the opportunity to thank Travis...)



    "Thank you for believing in my skills as a photographer and an artist."

    (Yes, Jodi, Travis was prescient - your 'skills' as a photographer are exactly why you will end up on death row!)

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    Bringing this post over for those who were asking about the stab wounds


    Originally Posted by Nhic
    OK here goes!

    She stabbed Travis while he was sitting down in the shower, he got up staggered over to the sink she began to stab him in the back, he goes down, she continues to stab him in the back, he screams and says he can't feel his legs (because she severed one or more nerves), she then slits his throat to stop him from screaming, drags him back to shower, thinks he's still alive, shoots him in the head, puts in in shower, turns water on, etc.

    That's what I think happened.
    ITA. She stabbed Travis in the vena cava and this is why he was crawling. The vena cava is the major "tube" that carries blood to the heart to be oxygenated. When the vena cava ruptures or begins leaking large amounts of blood the initial symptoms are horrific pain in the low abdomen/back and loss of movement in the lower legs. People rarely survive this type of injury bc the damage occurs quickly. When Jodi says that Travis was crying out that he couldn't feel his legs it was due to the blood loss from his vena cava. So, this part of events I believe Jodi is being truthful about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerBalm View Post
    For those that might have missed it, I posted at the end of the last thread a video from HLN where they had one of their producers, who is the defendant's size, drag the dummy (around 180 lbs) back to the shower.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...postcount=1688
    Thanks TigerBalm.

    Pretty conclusive.

    Is that distance shown agree with what Pros. says?

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    Hello all!

    I'm so so SO glad that court resumes tomorrow and that JM is up first thing! I want to see this woman get hammered completely like no other witness. I can think of a hundred words to describe her but I'd get banned if I typed them out here. Use your imaginations.

    I heart our prosecutor SO MUCH! There is nothing like an intelligent and compassionate man using his talents to fight for justice. Travis could not have a better guardian.


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    I don't believe Travis ever said 'I can't feel my legs' or anything like that. I go by the evidence and the evidence alone. I don't believe anything Arias says. She loves knowing that no one else knows what really happened. She loves inflicting pain and suffering. She loves to play games with people. I don't believe she inserts bits of truth into her stories the way ordinary killers might do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rose222 View Post
    I don't believe Travis ever said 'I can't feel my legs' or anything like that. I go by the evidence and the evidence alone. I don't believe anything Arias says. She loves knowing that no one else knows what really happened. She loves inflicting pain and suffering. She loves to play games with people. I don't believe she inserts bits of truth into her stories the way ordinary killers might do.
    I agree.
    Between shock, maybe blood in his throat, he wasn't saying anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice Seeker View Post
    Bringing this post over for those who were asking about the stab wounds


    Originally Posted by Nhic
    OK here goes!

    She stabbed Travis while he was sitting down in the shower, he got up staggered over to the sink she began to stab him in the back, he goes down, she continues to stab him in the back, he screams and says he can't feel his legs (because she severed one or more nerves), she then slits his throat to stop him from screaming, drags him back to shower, thinks he's still alive, shoots him in the head, puts in in shower, turns water on, etc.

    That's what I think happened.
    ITA. She stabbed Travis in the vena cava and this is why he was crawling. The vena cava is the major "tube" that carries blood to the heart to be oxygenated. When the vena cava ruptures or begins leaking large amounts of blood the initial symptoms are horrific pain in the low abdomen/back and loss of movement in the lower legs. People rarely survive this type of injury bc the damage occurs quickly. When Jodi says that Travis was crying out that he couldn't feel his legs it was due to the blood loss from his vena cava. So, this part of events I believe Jodi is being truthful about.
    _____
    It was so painful to listen to JM (Opening statements) talk about how the attack began. He seems to think, like you, that Arias started stabbing Travis as he was down. I agree too. There is no other reason for her to order him (with the use of her weapons) to sit down in that tiny shower area.

    Breaks my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colt46 View Post
    Excerpts from JA's journal - Friday, June 13, 2008

    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-...nal-entries-2/

    "Travis, I have so much to thank you for. I'm grateful that I ceased the opportunity to do so on so many occasions (like when she murdered him), being aware that you were a "words of affirmation" kind of guy. Thank you for all you've done for me. Thank you for opening your home to me more times than I could count. "My refrigerator is your refrigerator."

    (Freudian slip? Obviously, she meant to say she 'seized' the opportunity to thank Travis...)



    "Thank you for believing in my skills as a photographer and an artist."

    (Yes, Jodi, Travis was prescient - your 'skills' as a photographer are exactly why you will end up on death row!)
    I can just imagine Wilmott, Nurmi and LaViolette pouring over this entry, wondering how the heck they are going to turn it into evidence of Travis being a life-threatening abuser. I wonder which one decided the Law of Attraction would be the way to go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colt46 View Post
    Excerpts from JA's journal - Friday, June 13, 2008

    http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-...nal-entries-2/

    "Travis, I have so much to thank you for. I'm grateful that I ceased the opportunity to do so on so many occasions (like when she murdered him), being aware that you were a "words of affirmation" kind of guy. Thank you for all you've done for me. Thank you for opening your home to me more times than I could count. "My refrigerator is your refrigerator."

    (Freudian slip? Obviously, she meant to say she 'seized' the opportunity to thank Travis...)



    "Thank you for believing in my skills as a photographer and an artist."

    (Yes, Jodi, Travis was prescient - your 'skills' as a photographer are exactly why you will end up on death row!)
    The May 22nd entry is a red herring. I believe it was written after the killing or written in her premeditation of killing him. She wants to look very not stalkerish and to show she was fine with moving on. She makes sure to point out very key issues about jealousy, the email password "exchange", encouraging him to be patient wit Mimi and she will come around, etc... OMG. This is all such hogwash and is nothing but Jodi's transparent attempt to cover her tracks by painting a completely different picture.
    Thurs. May 22, 2008

    Today has been a day of good news and sadness. Good news: my phone arrived! And not a moment too soon. Sad news: I finally had ďthe conversationĒ with Travis and it did not go well. I sort of put it to him already in an e-mail I sent a few days ago and he didnít like that either, not nor did he take the hint. So I realized I had to be a little bit more direct. I told him that of course Iím looking for[ward] to his impending visit, that I canít wait to check more things off the list (from 1,000 places), but that we probably would be better off in all ways if we were not physical.

    He got offended and upset, then acted distant. I tried being so sweet and speak kindly to him, playing up all of the advantages of not violating the law of chastity, and he didnít want to hear any of it. He said he already knows all that. Then it got worse, he asked me who Iím seeing, have I been getting my kicks with someone else, etc. Of course I swore that I wasnít (which is true) but also pointed out that even if I was, then thatís my right. I also pointed out that I didnít freak out when he confessed his potentially underlying love for Mimi. He said to leave his love life out of it. Typical. Then after a moment, he apologized, and said a lot of his frustration is from the fact that things in his dating life arenít going that well, that yes, he still likes Mimi, but itís not progressing the way he wants to, and heís leaning towards giving up on her. I told him to be patient, sheíll come around.

    The problem with Travis, is that he so used to guys girls falling all over themselves for him and she doesnít do that. He needs that, I really think he does, Ėto wait.

    Well, even sadder is we agreed to amicably part ways. He is an amazing person, and heís told me countless times that I am one of the most beautiful people heís ever metĖon the inside and out. But it is really better this way. We both agreed to change our passwords, which we had exchanged eons ago to establish, or reestablish ďtrustĒ which we had both violated, so no more of that. We had both picked 2 accounts so I chose Facebook and Gmail and he chose Facebook and MySpace.

    We are truly good people at the core, both of us, but we canít behave ourselves when were around each other, not even over the phone. He said I am still like kryptonite to him. But Iím tired of being guilt-ridden when the air clears.

    I knew it was wrong going over there all those nights but I couldnít say no to him, I couldnít not pick up the phone. He would rationalize it saying ďitís really not that bad,Ē or ďcome on, I want to please you,Ē and I was weak. I went anyway, I answered the phone anyway.

    Moving has certainly helped me morally. I donít know if it has him or if heís found a replacement booty-call. For his sake I hope he hasnít, not because it would be a replacement but because it is not spiritually productive. We both want to get married and I donít think either of us is anywhere near that if we continue to act immorally w/each other. I am mortified that my phone was stolen. It had a hugely scandalous text message from him (10 pgs!) that he sent last week. It would make a steamy romance novel sound like a script from a G-rated Disney movie. I also had 1 or 2 recorded conversations that were equally as scandalous. I never did figure out how to play those back for him. Well theyíre gone now and we wonít be making more. Well, actually I wouldnít bet on it entirely, one of us will crack and call the other. Itís crazy, but what can you do?

    Wherever my phone is now, I just hope text messages and conversations are never discovered. Yikes. Itís certainly not Pamela Anderson or Paris Hilton level scandal, thereís no videos but it would be embarrassing nonetheless.

    I am honestly relieved about the whole thing. The ďjust friendsĒ had many complicated ďbenefits.Ē Iím not seeing anyone per se, but somehow I feel like itís still isnít fair to any of my current prospects. And Travis said he still certain he wants to marry Mimi, although theyíre not yet dating. Itís not fair to her either, in my opinion. We hadnít talked about her in so long, I didnít realize he was still in pursuit. I wouldnít dare lecture him over it though. The first thing that almost popped out of my mouth was, ďthen why the hell are we still messing around if thatís the case?!?Ē But I kept it shut. For two reason[s.] 1: it would be like the pot calling the kettle black (as Iíve had my eyon eye on some wonderfulís myself. 2. I honestly donít think Travis can be monogamous. Iím certain he wasnít w/ me, although I donít dwell on it anymore, but my certainty was further solidified when his pattern of behavior continued with his next girlfriend, Lisa Andrews. When he finally admitted that they had been dating, I felt so guilty. I almost wanted to tell her, it seemed only fair, but by then had already broken up and he had moved on to Mimi. Besides, not only would telling her destroy our friendship (mine and his), but it would cause a lot of unnecessary drama and pain. And just because Travis acted like a schmuck when it came to how he treated his previous girlfriends, doesnít mean heís capable of learning how to be better. Itís just that Iíve yet to see evidence of it. But perhaps it will be different w/ Mimi. One things for sure, I wouldnít want to be the ďother girlĒ in that relationship, I couldnít handle the guilt. And these things donít necessarily discount all of his other amazing qualities. Heís done more for me than I could ever cout count. Heís helped me in every area of my life. Iím indebted to him for all of the wonderful things that his done. Heís just so dang hot and cold. Bi-polar even, it would seem. But I have a gazillion memories that weíve created that I will always value, just like the ones w/ Bobby, Matt, and Darryl. All unique. All special, all priceless.

    Anyway, one thing I do know is it feels like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders. Iím saddened and, yes, but it feels like a conclusion, like closure. The final chapter was finally written, and the ending was bittersweet. He said on some level, we will always be friends, but we both agreed that itís better this way. Itís true. It is very much in alignment with the e-mail I sent him a few days ago. Heíll be so much better off this way spiritually and emotionally. And Iíll start dating for real again soon. Not this casual fill-in-your-Friday-night stuff. I wonít miss his teasing or his bi-polar tendencies to snap and yell and say things he ends up regretting, but I will miss his sense of humor. Weíll still have his car to take care of, but heíll keep me posted on any new developments. He said if all else fails, then weíll just scrap it but I wouldÖ

    Perry, who was dubbed the "Velvet Hammer" by tweeters,
    went on to say that he believed there was sufficient evidence to sustain a
    first-degree murder conviction
    .

    "Justice has been served in the sense that the jury has spoken but justice will
    finally be served one day by the Judge of
    judges," Perry said during the morning show.
    "And she's going to live, deal with this for
    the rest of her life."

    RIP Caylee Marie

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