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    General Discussion Thread #4

    PRETORIA, South Africa --

    Oscar Pistorius is charged with one count of premediated murder over the Feb. 14 killing of Reeva Steenkamp. He says he accidentally shot her, thinking she was a dangerous intruder inside his home, lurking in a toilet stall off his bedroom.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2739776.html

    Oscar Pistorius Indictment

    (11 sides incl. complete witness list)

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/161348107/...ius-indictment

    FIRST THREAD




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    Quote Originally Posted by MURDERER_SERVANT View Post

    1-Phone call to brother/lawyer.. I guess brother then informed the lawyer and lawyer called OP. Anyway.
    2-They decided on so common intruder scenario. The toilet was the most suitable place in the dark bedroom .
    3-He put the fan inside /Maybe already in the room.
    4-Opened the bathroom window/ Maybe already open.
    5-He dragged /carried her from the last point she fell down and was unconscious ( stairs/ 1st floor hallway) to the toilet.
    6-He took one cartridge with a clothe and hide it as told .(This maybe done later) and took the other cartridge and put it in the
    hallway.
    7-He put the toilet key inside the toilet so as to put forth that Reeva was afraid of the intruder OP as shouting at. That's why she didn't answer back not a single word 'Hey Oscar it's me '
    8-He fired 2-3 shots behind the door. Maybe one hit Reeva on the arm.
    (Anyway they had the missing bullet in hand already)
    9-Broke a few panels with the bloody bat as if saving RS.
    10- Pulled RS back to the bathroom
    11-Put the bloody bat on the floor in the bathroom also.
    12-Put the slippers/ bag on the bed 's bathroom side ..( He made a mistake there . It was his side with the gun under the bed. Later they switched that saying shoulder injury )
    13- Called the EM
    14-Took her downstairs. EM arrived.
    <snipped>
    BBM:
    M_S, are you thinking there is a possible conspiracy among Oscar, his brother and the lawyer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittychi View Post
    <snipped>
    BBM:
    M_S, are you thinking there is a possible conspiracy among Oscar, his brother and the lawyer?
    Yes Kittychi... I just tend to think that way abt what he did between two
    sets of shots..And then the affidavit is of course prepared with the lawyer.

    What astonishes me is that given the security/ police arrival at the house 1/2 times upon the shouts/loud arguments like fighting at that noisy night, not a single word from these arguments is mentioned let alone that night is described as a very quiet , calm , everything is ok night in the affidavit (?).
    Why did that Valentine Day's gift broken then?.. What happened to the trophies if it's true anyway..Why were the neighbors and the police got alarmed before that night? What was all they heard coming from that house ? Why is the need for lieing in the affidavit if one is innocent ? Why is the need for getting permission or sth like that for contacting the neighbors in the bail if you are innocent ?

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    This is something I came across today which I thought you may be interested in from September 7, 2011:

    South African double-amputee runner Oscar Pistorius cut short a BBC radio interview after being asked whether he could be viewed as an "inconvenient embarrassment" to athletics officials for competing in able-bodied competitions.

    The 400-metre runner took part in the world championships in South Korea and hopes to run in next year's London Olympics.

    Pistorius was asked in an interview on BBC's Today program whether he might be considered an "inconvenient embarrassment to South African authorities and the IAAF because, effectively, you're taking them into uncharted ethical waters".

    "I think that's an insult to me and I think this interview is over," Pistorius responded.

    The interviewer said the question was not intended as an "insult" but Pistorius replied: "That is an insult. Thank you very much".

    The interview ended.
    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/athletic...#ixzz2Q8nCaCrE
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    And then we have this report:


    South African track federation 'at risk' of suspension

    Any plans Oscar Pistorius may have to run at the world championships could be further complicated after South Africa's chaotic track federation said Wednesday it had suspended six board members and been placed at risk of suspension by the IAAF.

    Athletics South Africa president James Evans said the six members -- which include vice-president and former Olympic athlete Hendrick Ramaala -- "have left the sport in disarray" with their attempt to remove Evans from power.

    In a statement, Evans listed deep problems within ASA. The body's bank account had been frozen, staff hadn't been paid, no team was sent to the African Youth Championships and there had been threats of legal action by the South African tax service, among other major issues, Evans said.

    But crucially for high-profile athletes like Pistorius and former 800-meter world champion Caster Semenya, the in-fighting and allegations of improper behaviour within ASA meant it had not submitted an annual report to the world athletics body and "was placed at risk of suspension by the IAAF," Evans said.
    http://www.cp24.com/sports/south-afr...#ixzz2Q95OLRKr
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    And then we have this report:

    Kenny Kunene: SA's Playboy
    News24

    Kenny Kunene, known for being an ex-convict, owner of struggling luxury clubs, dear friend of Oscar Pistorius and a lover of dining on sushi from the bodies of unrobed women is back on your televisions, in your newspapers and in your magazines.

    The sushi king has found his calling. Kenny Kunene, known for being an ex-convict, owner of struggling luxury clubs, dear friend of Oscar Pistorius and a lover of dining on sushi from the bodies of unrobed women is back on your televisions, in your newspapers and in your magazines.

    His most recent appearance was on yesterday afternoon's Polygamy episode on 3Talk where he talked about his life some more, most notably his large group of girlfriends, aged 24 and below, who he calls is "army".
    http://www.news24.com/Columnists/Sib...ayboy-20130410
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    And another report:

    Atlantic signs Pistorius title
    The Bookseller

    John Carlin, the author of Playing the Enemy which was turned into Clint Eastwood's film "Invictus" starring Matt Damon and Morgan Freeman, will write The Oscar Pistorius Story, to be published following the end of Pistorius' trial for the murder of his girlfriend.

    Mirchandani said: “As a former South Africa correspondent for the Independent and as author of the international bestseller Playing The Enemy, John is the ideal writer to do justice to all the many issues surrounding the Oscar Pistorius case and trial. We're delighted to be publishing his book and much look forward to working with him again.”

    http://www.thebookseller.com/news/at...ius-title.html
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    Oscar Pistorius gets back to training

    Friday 5 April 2013 11:09

    SABC

    Oscar was spotted training in Pretoria earlier this week(REUTERS)

    He is apparently not officially training to compete but to keep himself physically active and fit.
    http://www.sabc.co.za/news/f1/a1a125...ining-20130405
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    Kenny Kunene...lover of dining on sushi from the bodies of unrobed women is back on your televisions, in your newspapers and in your magazines.

    His most recent appearance was on yesterday afternoon's Polygamy episode on 3Talk where he talked about his life some more, most notably his large group of girlfriends, aged 24 and below, who he calls is "army"





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    Quote Originally Posted by MURDERER_SERVANT View Post
    Below are just my opinions :

    This scenario is based on the arguments/assumptions

    * Two sets of shots heard by the neighbors / shouts/screams also heard..
    * Mysterious bullet with RS's brain particles on was hidden at the time of the case delibaretly from the scene and later put in the toilet bowl by the defense
    * From the affidavit 'I felt trapped as my bedroom door was locked and I had limited mobility on my stumps' sentence interpreted as there was blood on the bedroom door's knob and/or key which Reeva held as just about fleeing from the room .. How could OP explain that blood on that bedroom door knob and key if that door was already open ? So is put in the affidavit which could be explained as OP held it with his bloody hands .and this expression together with the effectiveness of limited mobility in the same sentence..

    How it happened :

    RS was wearing the clothes that she wear when she arrived. They were not sleeping . The arguments with shouts went on in the bedroom until the late hours of the night . OP first hit her with the bat causing part of her head skull crushed.. Her hands were bloody..(I assume that he didn't get his gun until she fled from the bedroom ) She just grabbed the key/or maybe it was on the door lock already and opened the bedroom door knob/key got blood on it..
    OP was furious abt what had happened..She was on her way down..He grabbed the gun and shot her from her right hip and as she was felling down second shot from her head and right hand ..(Maybe she was able to throw the trophies in between ) . She was unconcious..(Two shots total 3 wounds )

    10-17 minutes gap :


    The following were done by OP just between the two sets of shots which I believe can easily be heard by such close neighbors seen from the neighborhood photos..

    1-Phone call to brother/lawyer.. I guess brother then informed the lawyer and lawyer called OP. Anyway.
    2-They decided on so common intruder scenario. The toilet was the most suitable place in the dark bedroom .
    3-He put the fan inside /Maybe already in the room.
    4-Opened the bathroom window/ Maybe already open.
    5-He dragged /carried her from the last point she fell down and was unconscious ( stairs/ 1st floor hallway) to the toilet.
    6-He took one cartridge with a clothe and hide it as told .(This maybe done later) and took the other cartridge and put it in the
    hallway.
    7-He put the toilet key inside the toilet so as to put forth that Reeva was afraid of the intruder OP as shouting at. That's why she didn't answer back not a single word 'Hey Oscar it's me '
    8-He fired 2-3 shots behind the door. Maybe one hit Reeva on the arm.
    (Anyway they had the missing bullet in hand already)
    9-Broke a few panels with the bloody bat as if saving RS.
    10- Pulled RS back to the bathroom
    11-Put the bloody bat on the floor in the bathroom also.
    12-Put the slippers/ bag on the bed 's bathroom side ..( He made a mistake there . It was his side with the gun under the bed. Later they switched that saying shoulder injury )
    13- Called the EM
    14-Took her downstairs. EM arrived.

    Needed adjustments in the affidavit :

    *Pitch dark/closed sliding doors and curtains etc.
    *OP'S screams from the balcony .The balcony doors/curtains turned to be open when the police arrived.
    *The ladder detail somewhere in the garden which would support the theory also included . Nothing would change if it wasn/t there.
    *Felt trapped as the bedroom door was locked.
    *How many shots/which parts of the door / from which point in the bathroom to the door not mentioned.
    *The doctor'S arrival is mentioned. Nothing mentioned why he didn't do the assitance. or whether the EM or doctor also saw that she was alive then.

    .......................

    All above just speculation as always..
    BBM

    For the first bolded comment, that's highly speculative that there was blood on the bedroom door handle when there is no evidence or testimony to support it. I find it highly unlikely that Botha would not have mentioned this key piece of evidence as it proves that the incident not only does not happen in the bathroom but immedietely shreds his affidavit (and in turn his request for bail) apart.

    For the second bolded comment, stop right there after assuming he hit her with the bat, crushing her skull. No human being is doing anything else if that happens, she would of dropped to the floor immediately and quickly black out. Then the question remains why shoot her at that point, she's already down at that point.

    I've never seen an angle of a story still being held on to for some (cricket bat) when it's been debunked already. Her own relative effectively quashed this story, not to mention that it was testified to, under oath, that she had no other injuries outside the bullet wounds.

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    Cool

    http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/0...ho-knew-slain/

    Family of Oscar Pistorius says he has spent time with people who knew slain girlfriend


    The family of athlete Oscar Pistorius says the South African runner has been spending time with people who were close to the girlfriend he shot and killed in February.

    A statement from the family of the double-amputee Olympian also said Thursday that Pistorius has spent that time in "surroundings where shared memories were created."

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    A more detailed article than the one above. OP "mourns" Reeva constantly. Of course:


    http://espn.go.com/olympics/trackand...g-friends-bail

    Oscar Pistorius active while on bail

    "Over the past few weeks, Oscar has found comfort in spending time and sharing memories with many of those whom she loved, in surroundings where shared memories were created," the family said in a statement Thursday.

    It did not identify the people with whom 26-year-old Pistorius had met, nor the locations.

    Anneliese Burgess, a spokeswoman for the Pistorius family, said the athlete had been "very isolated" but had begun a process of "interacting with people."

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    Exclamation

    The fab TMZ always has its finger on the pulse.

    OP can't handle the "Constant Snark"

    http://www.tmz.com/2013/04/11/oscar-...amp-statement/

    OSCAR PISTORIUS
    When Are People Going to
    Feel Bad for ME???


    Oscar Pistorius says the constant snarking about his murder charge is killing him.

    The former Olympian's family issued a statement whining about South African tabloids and social media boo-birds, saying they are deeply disturbed by the "disregard that is being shown by some ... for the profound pain that Reeva’s family and friends are going through."
    . . .

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    Busy little Pistorians doing more harm than good for Oscar ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Steenkamp.html

    Oscar Pistorius: family hits out at attacks on relatives of Reeva Steenkamp

    The statement came in response to the establishment of a group on Twitter who tweet their support for Oscar Pistorius and belief in his innocence under the hashtag #Pistorians.

    The group posts shirtless pictures of Pistorius under the hashtag #OscarPorn
    and, during his bail hearing, cheered on his lawyers.

    The group, which has supporters in South Africa, Germany, Ireland, England, Australia, Brazil and even the island of Borneo, recently featured on the front page of South Africa's Heat magazine, in which they were described as "crazed" Oscar fans attacking Miss Steenkamp's family.

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