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    NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #11


    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...ing_woman.html
    Authorities say missing woman was on her way to shop at Destiny USA
    Syracuse, NY – Authorities are looking for a Chenango County woman who has been missing since Tuesday when she told her husband she was driving to Syracuse to shop at Destiny USA.
    She was driving a maroon 2006 Chrysler Town and Country minivan with a New York license plate of EFA1962.
    Deputies said Ramsaran may have changed her hair color and style before she left. Her cell phone was found Wednesday on State Route 23 in the Town of Plymouth.
    Deputies ask that anyone with information about Ramsaran call them at 607-334-2000 and push option 1.

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    NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #11

    A few things to remember...

    We are a victim friendly forum. This includes Jennifer as well as the rest of her family. It doesn't mean we can't discuss what is known thru the media or law enforcement and ask questions about any inconsistencies. It does mean we will not outright accuse someone or make up a scenerio not based on the facts we know at this time.

    Everyone here has a right to post their thoughts and opinions about this case without being attacked for it. This means they are not being told their opinion is 'not logical' , 'its not facing reality', etc. We are not going to accuse members here of being manipulative and we are not going to tell each other how to post or what to post. If you feel a post is against our terms of service then alert on it. Please don't respond to the the post you are alerting. It may mean you will get timed out as well.

    Be kind to each other and when posting make sure its how you expect to be treated as well. We are not on separate teams, we all want Jennifer to be found and brought home to her family. We do have insiders on this case, they may or may not be able to answer all of your questions.
    Rumors are not allowed. Discussing comments from the news, and Social Networks are not allowed, they are considered rumors. We are not going to allow fighting or discussing a fight that is or may be going on with Facebook pages. Do not bring it here.

    Lets stay focused on Jennifer. Please continue here...

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    Rest in Peace Jennifer. Our prayers and thoughts go out to Jennifer's family and friends. She was loved and will be missed by many.

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    NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #11

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    vocabulary words of the day


    incompetence:

    lack of physical or intellectual ability or qualifications

    lacking the power to perform

    deflection:

    a turning aside (of your course or attention or concern);

    any diversion intended to distract attention from the main issue



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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthAussie View Post
    motto:

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    integrity: got none, want none, go away


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    So...Jen's body was left on Center Road, the same road where the trail head to Plymouth Loop -- a popular trail for those who enjoy vigorous outdoor exercise -- is located.

    Question for locals: is the trail head parking lot paved...or is it just grass? (grass that could have gotten caught in a wheel?)

    And...Plymouth Loop trailhead is just 1/2 mile from One Eye Street, where Tom Francisco's body was found. A location that would be familiar to those who frequent Plymouth Loop (or even drive or run regularly down that section of 23).

    And...Jen's van was found at Plank Road Manor -- the site of a shooting a few years ago
    http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2...plex-shooting/

    Seems like someone disposed of the body and van in two locations associated with murder and violence. As if trying to deflect attention.

    Someone, of course, quite familiar with the area. Someone who had read the news stories. Or heard local gossip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abigail View Post
    So...Jen's body was left on Center Road, the same road where the trail head to Plymouth Loop -- a popular trail for those who enjoy vigorous outdoor exercise -- is located.

    Question for locals: is the trail head parking lot paved...or is it just grass? (grass that could have gotten caught in a wheel?)

    And...Plymouth Loop trailhead is just 1/2 mile from One Eye Street, where Tom Francisco's body was found. A location that would be familiar to those who frequent Plymouth Loop (or even drive or run regularly down that section of 23).

    And...Jen's van was found at Plank Road Manor -- the site of a shooting a few years ago
    http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2...plex-shooting/

    Seems like someone disposed of the body and van in two locations associated with murder and violence. As if trying to deflect attention.

    Someone, of course, quite familiar with the area. Someone who had read the news stories. Or heard local gossip.

    And with Jen’s phone being discovered in a spot where locals are very aware that there is either no service or intermittent service, it seems that local knowledge was also behind the placement/discovery of her phone.

    So .. local knowledge behind placement of all the items of value in this case … Jen, her van, her phone.

    Jen also left her rings and perhaps other jewellery of value at home that day.

    But Jen’s clothes had no real monetary value, and funnily enough they are apparently the only thing still unaccounted for ......

    (except for the $500 that GR says Jen had, of course.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BearAngel View Post
    To be quite honest, I am angry and disappointed, that LE has chosen to not use the many resources, that they have available to them, in this day of so much technology.
    I just wanted to reply to the above snippet from BearAngel's post towards the end of previous thread.

    Just a thought but perhaps LE is not utilising all resources, especially media, so they can keep one particular person completely in the dark. Sure it would be nice to know where they're at in the investigation but it would also mean her killer would know as well.

    As it is now, the way I see it, & I think we can all take a certain amount of satisfaction from it... the arrest may not happen today, tomorrow, next week or next month, but while her killer is in "the dark", he'd be constantly waiting & sweating on that knock on the door from LE. Jennifer's killer will never know peace.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthAussie View Post
    A few of us have noted the remarkable similarities between Jennifer's case and Aussie Allison Baden Clay's case .. a whole long list of things that are so similar, (possibly including no definite COD).

    But the one big difference here is that Gerard Baden Clay was arrested for the murder of his wife, based on strong circumstantial evidence, 8 weeks after the murder. We then waited months and months for all the forensic testings to be finalised before the case could proceed.

    No-one has been arrested for Jennifer's murder based on strong circumstantial evidence, and while forensics are finalised. It has been 18 weeks !!
    Above post is also from end of previous thread...

    In Allison's case, police had planned an arrest on two other occasions prior to the day he was arrested but they held off while they gathered further evidence. They had him exactly where they wanted him. And I think this could be quite similar with Jennifer's killer...

    LE have him right where they want him while they get all their ducks in a row & he has no escape from that knock on the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlywings View Post
    I just wanted to reply to the above snippet from BearAngel's post towards the end of previous thread.

    Just a thought but perhaps LE is not utilising all resources, especially media, so they can keep one particular person completely in the dark. Sure it would be nice to know where they're at in the investigation but it would also mean her killer would know as well.

    As it is now, the way I see it, & I think we can all take a certain amount of satisfaction from it... the arrest may not happen today, tomorrow, next week or next month, but while her killer is in "the dark", he'd be constantly waiting & sweating on that knock on the door from LE. Jennifer's killer will never know peace.
    marlywings, four months without a media update by CCSO/Sheriff Cutter, coupled with the misinformation provided to the public initially in the JR investigation indicates the lack of a coherent media management strategy and profesionalism, imo.

    The public is a very valuable investigative resource to squander. Silence by investigators
    only causes innocent lives lost and mounting cold cases, imo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    marlywings, four months without a media update by CCSO/Sheriff Cutter, coupled with the misinformation provided to the public initially in the JR investigation indicates the lack of a coherent media management strategy and profesionalism, imo.

    The public is a very valuable investigative resource to squander. Silence by investigators
    only causes innocent lives lost and mounting cold cases, imo..
    Their silence may very well be for a good reason. Again, in Allison's case, we heard very little from police. On the day her body was found police held a news conference to say it was a homicide investigation...then that was it until the day of the arrest. There were a couple of reports about her accused killer's affairs...but every man & his dog were already aware of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthAussie View Post
    And with Jenís phone being discovered in a spot where locals are very aware that there is either no service or intermittent service, it seems that local knowledge was also behind the placement/discovery of her phone.

    So .. local knowledge behind placement of all the items of value in this case Ö Jen, her van, her phone.

    Jen also left her rings and perhaps other jewellery of value at home that day.

    But Jenís clothes had no real monetary value, and funnily enough they are apparently the only thing still unaccounted for ......

    (except for the $500 that GR says Jen had, of course.)
    That's an excellent point about the rings, and perhaps other valuable jewelry left at home. In the photos, it appears that Jenn wore simple, but quality jewelry -- the same two necklaces feature in almost all her photos.

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