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    juror list (copy and paste from KBisme

    Ok, so I'll start on my notes. First, I couldn't see Jodi from where I was sitting because an interns head was blocking my view of her. I did have a great view of the jury though, so almost all of my notes are about them. I'll first start with adding my take on each of them to Anita's awesome list. I made a list of my own because I wasn't as smart as PASA (she printed Anita's list and had it with her). My comments are in purple.

    Jurors

    1.Church Lady- Mid 50's, short hair, no make-up, glasses.
    This lady looks absolutely disgusted the whole time. I never once saw her look in the direction of JA. Not ONCE. She either stares straight forward or looks at JM.

    2.Trump-Guy in 40's, lots of hair, car salesman look.
    I called this guy "Comb Over" he had his head resting on his hand almost the whole time. He also never looks at JA. He seemed to be paying attention, but also seemed bored.


    3.Housewife-She is a big lady (tall and heavy set, not obese) with a very sweet face, no make-up.
    Interesting different view today. I called her the "Angry Neighbor Lady" Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant "sour puss". I don't know if it's just "her look" or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her.


    4.Grandpa-Bald, sweet faced older man that looks like my grandpa.
    I also named this man Grandpa. He does have a sweet face and seems the "calm" type.


    5.excusedTricolor-Early 30's, short, stylish haircut with three colors, reminds me of one of my hairstylists.
    This is the only one I remembered Anita's name for because her hair stood out, Lol. She reminded me of my best friend. She probably gave more facial expressions than any of the others. She is very engaged and took a fair amount of notes.


    6.Nancy-Lady in her 50's, lovely face, reminds me of Nancy Reagan with glasses, short sassy haircut.
    I called her Spikey Hair. Anita's description is better. She was the only one I saw look at Jodi when the jury first walked in. She took a lot of notes.


    7.Paul Rudd-Younger guy, mid-late 20's with spiky hair, sweat jacket, looks like the actor Paul Rudd.
    He does look like Paul Rudd, but with shorter hair. He's a good looking young man.


    8.The CEO-Good looking man, mid 50's with goatee. Can see him being the jury foreman.
    I called this guy "The Dad". He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason... I got a fatherly feel from him.


    9.Willy-Old hippy with long white ponytail, thin, small build.
    This guy looked PIZZED the whole time. He seemed to be staring towards the media lady or just into the corner. I only saw him look at JM or JA maybe once.


    10.Barb-Female, 40's ALTERNATE, has the "sexy librarian" look, wearing a form fitting sweater, slender build and voluptuous. If ANYONE on the jury is offended by disparaging comments regarding breast augmentation, my guess is it would be her. She is the only juror I couldn't see very clearly; just when she entered and exited the courtroom and when I stretched up out of my seat to gawk at her.
    I called this lady "Plain Jane" She was very hard to see from where I was, but I could tell she was taking notes quite a bit.


    11 Excused for duration of the trial due to illness.Poquito-Little Mexican guy (maybe 5'3) with long graduated pony tail, lots of facial hair and piercings.
    I called him "Paco" He was hard to see too, but mostly because he was slouched down in his seat I thought he'd fall off Lol. At one point he was bent over instead of slouching, but still very hard to see.


    12.Neil-Early 50's high forehead, glasses, looks very nervous and turns red easily. This is the guy that makes KCL nervous.
    I called this guy "Jim" I wrote "very hard to read".


    13.The Wrestler-Younger good looking guy, large build.
    I called this guy "The Jock" He reminded me a little of Oz on American Pie (Chris Klein).


    14.Old potsmoking CPA (I have no idea why I wrote this, i have ZERO recollection of this juror. He did not make any impression on me, other than when I was going down the rows naming them.)
    I called this guy Sleepy. He swiveled in his chair a lot and fell asleep at least twice. He was also slouched down in his chair.


    15.Elderly Man ALTERNATE-This man is definitely the oldest juror, he occasionally uses the headphones to listen to the proceedings that Jodie's Auntie uses.
    I called him "Captain" He has a very intense gaze. It's hard to describe but he gives off a stubborn and no bs vibe. Maybe ex military or something?


    16.Maureen-Red haired, glasses (the red might be too red to be a natural ginger) If I had to guess one Mormon on the jury, it would be her.
    I called her The Secretary. She took a lot of notes and had a "polished" look to her. She had her whole body turned facing Jodi. I barely saw her look at JM. She was the only one that really made me feel nervous at all.


    17.Pony Tail-Young girl, ALTERNATE pony tail, plain, pony tail and sweats.
    I called her frumpy lady. Not in a rude way... it's just the word that came to mind. Very plain. She took a lot of notes.


    18.The Artist-Bald, attractive, glasses, 50's-60's, large build, holds his notebook on a binder as if he's going to sketch. He looks around the gallery a lot. I thought we met eyes a couple of times, but who knows, that room is so huge!
    This guy also had a very intense gaze. He took some notes. He rubbed his face and tapped his fingers to his lips a lot. He wasn't the only one doing stuff like that, but I'll get into that in my notes.

    Ignore the names I threw in there. We should stick with Anita's. I just thought it would be interesting to give different peoples views on them. More to come!





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    a view from the inside: observations from our own court observers #9

    Continue here (and thank you to all of our peeps posting from the inside):



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    a view from the inside: observations from our own court observers #9

    Continue here:

    Reminder: this is not a general discussion thread.. This thread is for questions for the court observers and their notes. Thanks everyone.


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    Post a view from the inside: observations from our own court observers #9

    I would say yesterday was a juanderful day! Continue here!

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    Good Morning All!!! I know KCL must be slammed right now, don't. Know how she does all this juggling and posting...I am putting question from old thread here...

    Wildabouttrial noted packet of papers put on each juror seat while court wad recessed for lunch /afternoon break. Any thoughts on what this could be?? I was super curious...any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamapena2 View Post
    Good Morning All!!! I know KCL must be slammed right now, don't. Know how she does all this juggling and posting...I am putting question from old thread here...

    Wildabouttrial noted packet of papers put on each juror seat while court wad recessed for lunch /afternoon break. Any thoughts on what this could be?? I was super curious...any ideas?
    Could it be the white "question sheets" they've been using to submit questions to the witnesses?

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    KCL: "Thanks for laughing at/with me guys- you shoulda seen me demonstrate it for my dad and brother- who of course howled- me all la dee da rushing in to the courtroom like I've got my act together- this is why I'm asked on the radio vs TV lol"

    What a hoot! I just bet you are the coolest lady to be around. Blessings to you, sweet lady!

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    Question nurse raises hand: I have a question for our cool lady!

    Hi KCL! Thank you for all your notes! I was wondering if you noticed an jury reactions to Arias' behavior in court yesterday (re: were they glancing over at her?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamapena2 View Post
    Good Morning All!!! I know KCL must be slammed right now, don't. Know how she does all this juggling and posting...I am putting question from old thread here...

    Wildabouttrial noted packet of papers put on each juror seat while court wad recessed for lunch /afternoon break. Any thoughts on what this could be?? I was super curious...any ideas?
    I am thinking it is copies of Dr. Demarte's CV.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nursebeeme View Post
    Continue here:

    Reminder: this is not a general discussion thread.. This thread is for questions for the court observers and their notes. Thanks everyone.

    bumping this up... if you are not asking a question of the observers or commenting on observations please take general discussion to the trial thread. thanks folks.

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    Dear Katiecoolady! Your notes were fabulous as usual. It was refreshing to see actual points made by the witness instead of comments about the bad behavior of other witnesses who shall not be named.

    When JW was crossing her, I notice that she tried and tried to make her sound just like the "compassionate" specialists the defense had just presented. It didn't work.

    She also tried to make the point that Dr. DM was in infant when ALV received her master's degree. She didn't bite by saying that 1980 was the year she was born. Instead, she said she wouldn't have been supervising her.

    All the way through her testimony, DM never once strayed to run-on anecdotal stories which had no relationship to the case at hand. She had the facts as she found them and that's all she will speak about.

    That, my friends, is the ultimate professional witness.

    It would be so interesting to see the difference between the notes the jurors took during the other "expert" testimony and the notes they took yesterday and will take today.

    Willmott is also trying to diminish the value of work she did prior to receiving her license to practice psychotherapy. That's not going to work. Students in the field, as with medical doctors, do extensive "real world" work long before they can practice in their field.

    I have a nephew who received his PhD two years ago and is in his second year of teaching at a major university. His advisers suggested he spend an extra year working on his thesis to make it more far-ranging. During his years working on his PhD, he was already presenting at national conferences, writing papers for peer-reviewed journals, was a teaching assistant, and taught undergraduate classes. During his summer vacations, he taught at Community Colleges and programs for disadvantaged children. Now, when he's not too busy teaching, he is preparing his thesis for publication. His CV is formidable already.

    Pre-graduate and pre-licensing work all during one's education is commendable. That Dr. DeMarte took extra time to widen her experience prior to taking the licensing test was because she wanted to be the best psychologist she could be.

    IMHO, the jury gets the difference between this prosecution witness and the defense witnesses. She wiped their weeks of testimony away in less than one day of surgically precise questions from Martinez.

    PS: '80's during the 4 minute change of classes. I dash to the bathroom since I'm not supposed to go between classes. Come back out into a hall crowded with teenagers. Luckily for me, the vice-principal came up and rescued me from total humiliation. When I got into class, I was blushing. The students were staring at me. Said I, "If that is the worst thing that happens to me, I am a very fortunate person!"
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    folks: if your post is missing from this thread it has been moved to the general discussion thread
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    Please try to keep general discussion there. Thanks :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamapena2 View Post
    Good Morning All!!! I know KCL must be slammed right now, don't. Know how she does all this juggling and posting...I am putting question from old thread here...

    Wildabouttrial noted packet of papers put on each juror seat while court wad recessed for lunch /afternoon break. Any thoughts on what this could be?? I was super curious...any ideas?
    Pretty sure they were new juror question forms as I saw them placing them in their binders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nursebeeme View Post
    Hi KCL! Thank you for all your notes! I was wondering if you noticed an jury reactions to Arias' behavior in court yesterday (re: were they glancing over at her?)
    In the midst of the spanxing over there I did answer this . I saw CEO and Paul R glance at her a couple of times which I think was good. Let them witness the "adolescent" petulance Dr. D was describing.

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