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    MA - Waltham Triple Murder, 12 Sept 2011

    "The most intriguing nugget from the big Boston Globe profile of the Tsarnaev Brothers (the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston Marathon attack) is this one:

    Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.

    Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.
    Nobody states that there's a connection, but obviously now everyone's wondering if there is one.

    The murders were a big deal at the time, due to the disturbing, grisly nature of the crime."

    http://www.businessinsider.com/murde...sarnaev-2013-4

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    "Tamerlan, by contrast, had seen his share of troubles.

    Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.

    Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.

    Tsarnaev hadn’t been to Allan’s Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center in years, instead going to another nearby boxing gym.

    Until this month.

    Allan, who is currently traveling in Thailand, said he got an e-mail within the past week saying Tsarnaev showed up at the gym acting rude and disrespectful, using other people’s equipment, walking on the mats with his shoes.

    “It was a clear indication that something was up,” Allan said. “He was becoming a complete [expletive].”

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...JJL/story.html

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    IMO, it is highly curious that the bodies of the best friend of suspect #1 TT along with two other men were discovered on September 12th, 2011. The date is interesting since the three dead bodies were found on Sept. 12th which could very well mean that they were actually murdered sometime before then, perhaps even on the infamous date of terrorism, September 11.

    Pure speculation: Perhaps these unsolved murders were not drug-related as the cops seem to think and more in line with someone with radical extremist views having been insulted in some way and lashing out at these men. Perhaps TT was involved in the murders of his "best friend" and two other men in 2011. Perhaps that's why TT suddenly changed gyms after the murders... Again, pure speculation.


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    MA - Waltham Triple Murder, 12 Sept 2011

    Three Found Dead in Waltham Home

    By Andrew Merritt and Ignacio Laguarda
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    Posted Sep 12, 2011 @ 06:17 PM

    The bodies were found at about 2:25 Monday afternoon, after Waltham Police went to 12 Harding Ave. for a report of three dead bodies being discovered inside, according to a release from Leone's office. Police found the bodies when they arrived, in what Leone called a “very graphic crime scene.”

    ...the victims were three men in their 20s, all stabbed to death with a knife or ice pick. One of the dead men is the apartment's resident, and the other two were visitors, McPhee said.

    McPhee also cited law enforcement officials who said the bodies were found covered in marijuana.
    Waltham, Cambridge men identified as victims of triple homicide
    By Waltham News Tribune
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    Posted Sep 14, 2011 @ 02:44 PM Last update Sep 14, 2011 @ 02:51 PM
    Brandon Mess, 25, of Waltham, and Cambridge residents Eric Weissman, 31, and Rapheal Teken, 37, were killed Monday afternoon in Mess' apartment at 12 Harding Ave., according to a release from Leone's office.
    Boston Blotter: Waltham Trio Stabbed to Death
    by Matthew Gannon, September 16, 2011
    -- Three men found dead in a Waltham apartment on Monday were all stabbed in the neck, according to prosecutors and police. The murder victims were identified as Brandon Mess, 25, of Waltham; Erik Weissman, 31, of Cambridge; and Raphael Teken, 37, of Cambridge. Mess lived in the apartment that was the scene of the crime. Police say the attacks were not random. There are possibly two suspects
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    Thomas LaCroix, the Waltham Police chief, reported that the victims knew their assailants and that the attacks were not random. When questioned as to whether these men were still at large, he did not respond.
    http://bentleyvanguard.com/2011/09/2...larms-bentley/

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    After murders neighborhood will never be the same
    Waltham Patch
    By Abby Jordan
    September 16, 2011

    District Attorney Gerry Leone has said two people were in the apartment prior to the bodies being discovered, but never commented on whether the police were looking for them.

    Ward 5 Councilor Gary Marchese said Thursday that feelings did change in the neighborhood once District Attorney Gerry Leone and Police Chief Thomas Lacroix announced the killings were targeted.
    “That was key information for the neighborhood,” Marchese said. “Once that information was revealed, there was a little more feeling calm in the neighborhood.”
    Waltham murder victims all stabbed in neck
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    by Bob Dwinell
    Thursday, September 15, 2011


    All three victims of a grisly triple slaying in Waltham were stabbed in the neck in exactly the same manner, law enforcement officials announced this afternoon. “The cause of death for all three victims was determined to be sharp force injuries of the neck.
    Waltham authorities helpless in September investigation
    The Brandeis Hoot
    By Jon Ostrowsky
    November 4, 2011
    After describing the apartment that night as a “very graphic crime scene” Leone later released a statement saying that “based on the present state of the investigation, it is believed that the victims knew the assailant or assailants, and the attacks were not random.”
    On Thursday, a spokeswoman for Leone said there was an “ongoing investigation” and “no further updates at this time.” When prompted for more information, she declined to comment, repeating the same line.
    Video: Neighbor says victims were covered in pot
    by Ryan Grannon-Dall, September 13, 2011

    Video: D.A. says very graphic scene at site of 3 fatalities
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    Three Cambridge natives mourned after brutal Waltham murder
    By Audi Guha
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    Posted Sep 21, 2011 @ 11:51 AM
    Last update Sep 21, 2011 @ 02:19 PM

    Michelle McPhee, a reporter with Wicked Local media partner WCVB, reported that a law enforcement official told her the men were all stabbed to death with a knife or ice pick. She also cited law enforcement officials who said the bodies were found covered in marijuana.

    Middlesex District Attorney Gerry Leone called it a “very graphic crime scene” and said that there were at least two people who were in the apartment earlier in the day, but were no longer inside.

    RM lives right next door to the scene of the crime, at 8 Harding Ave. She was home that Monday at 2:25 p.m., recovering from back surgery, when police officers arrived. Even though she lives on the second floor of the building, and can see into Mess’ apartment, she said she didn’t hear anything on that day. According to her, five men lived in the apartment and they were frequently coming in and out. One of the men drove a Mercedes-Benz, she added.
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    Did Waltham murder victim Know Marathon Bomber?
    Brandon Mess (murdered Sept. 2011) was the "friend" Boston Marathon bomber knew.



    http://waltham.patch.com/articles/di...arathon-bomber

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capri View Post
    Brandon Mess (murdered Sept. 2011) was the "friend" Boston Marathon bomber knew.
    http://waltham.patch.com/articles/di...arathon-bomber

    John Allan, the owner of the Wai Kru mixed martial arts gym in Allston, told the Boston Globe Tamerlan Tsarnaev introduced Mess to him two years ago.
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    Copying my other post over here:

    Quote Originally Posted by bourne View Post
    IMO, it is highly curious that the bodies of the best friend of suspect #1 TT along with two other men were discovered on September 12th, 2011. The date is interesting since the three dead bodies were found on Sept. 12th which could very well mean that they were actually murdered sometime before then, perhaps even on the infamous date of terrorism, September 11.

    Pure speculation: Perhaps these unsolved murders were not drug-related as the cops seem to think and more in line with someone with radical extremist views having been insulted in some way and lashing out at these men. Perhaps TT was involved in the murders of his "best friend" and two other men in 2011. Perhaps that's why TT suddenly changed gyms after the murders... Again, pure speculation.
    I just googled this crime and read a few articles about it. It seems like the murder was originally thought to have something to do with drugs (marijuana), but that was later questioned, because both drugs and money were found at the scene. The news report says police thought it was targeted and more than one killer.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzG9l_vxVJs&feature=plcp"]What Really Happened On Harding Ave? - YouTube[/ame]

    In these comments from 2011 about the other two men, several people question whether it was about drugs and one person wonders if it had anything to do with September 11, writing "Daniel Pearl come to mind?"

    http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/cambrid...rapheal-teken/

    Who knows if the best friend story is true, and the date could be nothing more than a creepy coincidence.

    But, still.

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    Two of the victims, Mess and Weissman went to the same highschool as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev: the Cambridge Rindge and Latin School (though I think they would have all been different ages)

    http://www.wickedlocal.com/cambridge...-murder?zc_p=0

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    The most intriguing nugget from the big Boston Globe profile of the Tsarnaev Brothers (the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston Marathon attack) is this one:
    Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.
    Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.
    Nobody states that there's a connection, but obviously now everyone's wondering if there is one.
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/murde...#ixzz2R3tmkcjj

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    It has been reported that Suspect #2 smoked pot. It has been reported that Suspect #1's behavior, after his failure in boxing, turned more towards studying his religion.

    No devout Muslim would drink, smoke or do drugs. If these 3 people were involved in bringing down his brother's quest to be a devout Muslim, slitting their necks (very personal) would send a sign to all what happens to those who derail a pure path. Covering their bodies in marijuana and leaving the money is proof (IMHO) this 'explains' the crime and it's justice.

    Moo

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    Tamerlan, by contrast, had seen his share of troubles.

    Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.

    Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.

    Tsarnaev hadn’t been to Allan’s Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center in years, instead going to another nearby boxing gym.

    Until this month.
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...JJL/story.html

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    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/1...erican-friend/
    Tamerlan Tsarnaev noted about his “European style,” and is portrayed walking from his silver Mercedes Benz to the Boston gym.
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    According to her, five men lived in the apartment and they were frequently coming in and out. One of the men drove a Mercedes-Benz, she added.
    The Mercedes could be a coincidence, but it's worth noting. I don't believe it was confirmed the other two men lived in the apartment at 12 Harding, but they were frequent visitors, according to other reports. So far I haven't seen where the two men were ID'd or questioned. I'm still researching.
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    There is a really large photo of Brendan Mess here:

    Two years ago Mess and two other men - Raphael Teken and Erik Weissman - were murdered on September 12, 2011.
    Their bodies were found covered in marijuana in an apartment in Waltham, Massachusetts, and had their throats slit with a knife or ice pick.
    Initially police said two other people had been there on the day and they were looking to question them although no one has ever been charged.
    Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center owner John Allan said Tsarnaev and Mess used to work out at his gym together but Tsarnaev stopped coming after Mess was murdered.
    The event clearly still haunted Tsarnaev as recently as last week when he suddenly returned to his old gym and started acting unusually.
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    Middlesex County District Attorney’s Office spokesman Stephanie Chelf Guyotte could not confirm any relationship between Mess and Tamerlan or link between the bombing and murder cases. She told Waltham Patch the Harding Avenue murders are still an active homicide case and that investigators would pursue any new leads they receive.
    http://waltham.patch.com/articles/di...arathon-bomber

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    Okay, so:

    -Who gets murdered over selling pot?

    - If it were about say, a drug deal gone bad, why would drugs and $5000 be left behind?

    - But lets say it was: Would a drug dealer kill three people in such a violent way? Would he bring someone along to help?

    - What are the odds that three people have their throats slit on the 10 year anniversary of 9/11 by two people... and they just happen to be friends with a pair of murderer terrorists who talk a lot about 9/11?

    Scary.

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    You could almost turn the most logical thought inside out. What if these murders were related to 'proving' you were ready join a society--someone that needed 'proof' you were willing to become a real member of a radical branch. A foreign version of being 'jumped in.'

    Just thinking out loud here.

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    Covering bodies with pot and money screams "revenge" to me. Sending a message.
    Drug deal gone bad-not so much. Why would someone upset about drug deal leave pot on the bodies? They would take this pot if it was about pot, not throw it around.
    Just my opinion

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    I wonder if they were supplying to someone who ended up dead for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbbeyR View Post
    Okay, so:

    -Who gets murdered over selling pot?

    - If it were about say, a drug deal gone bad, why would drugs and $5000 be left behind?

    - But lets say it was: Would a drug dealer kill three people in such a violent way? Would he bring someone along to help?

    - What are the odds that three people have their throats slit on the 10 year anniversary of 9/11 by two people... and they just happen to be friends with a pair of murderer terrorists who talk a lot about 9/11?

    Scary.
    Agreed. I didn't know the date of the triple murders when I started researching the incident, and you could've knocked me over with a feather when I read September 12. I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, but it's not easy to brush off the date as coincidence considering the other circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyond Belief View Post
    I wonder if they were supplying to someone who ended up dead for some reason.
    That would be extremely unusual considering the drug was pot. Pot is normally not deadly.
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    That would be extremely unusual considering the drug was pot. Pot is normally not deadly.
    car accident, suicide, lots of things could enter into someones use of pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post
    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/1...erican-friend/
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    The Mercedes could be a coincidence, but it's worth noting. I don't believe it was confirmed the other two men lived in the apartment at 12 Harding, but they were frequent visitors, according to other reports. So far I haven't seen where the two men were ID'd or questioned. I'm still researching.
    Thanks for finding that info. I knew I had read it somewhere but was having trouble finding it again! I also feel it is worth noting.....jumped right out at me when I read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajun Girl View Post
    It has been reported that Suspect #2 smoked pot. It has been reported that Suspect #1's behavior, after his failure in boxing, turned more towards studying his religion.

    No devout Muslim would drink, smoke or do drugs. If these 3 people were involved in bringing down his brother's quest to be a devout Muslim, slitting their necks (very personal) would send a sign to all what happens to those who derail a pure path. Covering their bodies in marijuana and leaving the money is proof (IMHO) this 'explains' the crime and it's justice.

    Moo
    I agree that your theory. I think if we find that Suspect #1 is involved, this would make a great deal of sense.

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    quote from the main thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by mysterious minds View Post
    That was what stood out to me when I read the article on the unsolved murders. I think that it was a female friend of Suspect 2 that remarked how Suspect 1 was unhappy about little brother smoking pot. If Suspect 2 had become extremist, maybe he wasn't happy about his only American friend / "best friend" doing drugs and therefore covered the bodies with the drugs as some sort of symbol.
    I'm wondering when he made the statement that he didn't have even one american friend. maybe he found out his bestie was selling smoke to his younger bro (betrayal)

    leaving money/smoke behind makes little sense, unless it's viewed as "unclean"
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