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    NC vs. Raven Abaroa ~ the Trial 2

    Let's start a new thread for a new week!

    First up - a billing specialist from AT&T regarding Raven's cell phone bill.

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    Good morning guera!!
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    Hi LL&S!

    Now we have Raymond Wilson from Eurosport. This could get interesting! Both Raven & Janet worked there before Raven was fired for embezzlement.

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    Wait, Raven stole $15,000 worth of merchandise from EuroSport?! (retail value) That's insane. 18 orders, $15K worth of stuff. (per Raymond Wilson's testimony)

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    Didn't he also say that Raven purchased a large computer monitor with the company credit card too? I was dealing with the dogs at the time they were talking about it, but I'm pretty sure he said Raven bought that big monitor with company funds.
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    Yeah, they did say that - he bought a computer monitor with a company credit card, which wasn't an authorized purchase.

    In my opinion, this goes to show that Raven thought he was above the law, and while it doesn't necessarily prove murder, it shows that he had a certain level of moral relativism that would've made it easier to rationalize additional criminal activity. His volatility at company soccer games also shows that he had a temper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guera View Post
    Yeah, they did say that - he bought a computer monitor with a company credit card, which wasn't an authorized purchase.

    In my opinion, this goes to show that Raven thought he was above the law, and while it doesn't necessarily prove murder, it shows that he had a certain level of moral relativism that would've made it easier to rationalize additional criminal activity. His volatility at company soccer games also shows that he had a temper.
    I don't know anything about soccer but didn't he also get "red carded" or in trouble a lot over the years for being overly aggressive with either refs or other players or coaches?
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    Yep - multiple people testified that he had assault charges pending against him the day of the murder for assaulting a soccer coach.

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    Today seemed quite interesting to me.

    AT&T was interesting. So there were two cell phones. One I know they said was on the floor, last week. There was a lot of testimony about that, but where was Janet's cell phone? Not really sure much about why the cell phones are important, but hopefully we find out more later.

    Raymon Wilson's testimony was really awesome. It showed Raven as he truly is. He is a chameleon. The way he would act in a coed soccer team, with customers where he's yelling, screaming, cussing and getting rough. Tyndall asks about Raven's and Janet's relationship of all these witnesses that knew him, but sociopaths are good at being enthusiastic, and engaging, and charming. Of course he treated Janet nicely and loving in front of people. It's the way he acts when nobody is around that's important. He's a sociopath. I think he was a great witness, painting the picture of the true Raven, the pleasant and charming outgoing guy, the hot head (or complete and utter psycho on the field, the embezzler, the liar, the sneak, the guy that can steal, lie and cheat and look you in the eye as though he is innocent.

    He stole and then tried sneaking in to cover it up before he got caught, but he was already caught. One thing that was NOT said was Janet did NOT have to leave Eurosports, she left out of embarrassment. ES didn't ask her to leave, she wasn't fired, she had NO knowledge of what he was doing.

    The testimony of Sandy Gareton was really good, I think she was extremely bright and as much as Tyndall seemed to try to trip her up and mix up time stamps etc. it didn't work. She said that Karen worked in her position in Utah, so obviously he had some pull getting into that position. It seemed as though she would have never hired him had Karen didn't have some sort of pull. Of course, Raven had no choice but to tell the truth when he went there because so many places, especially schools and IT places do some sort of background check. Yes, Amos, Raven told his new job the truth regarding having charges against, but did he tell them the whole truth? Who knows whether or not he told them I didn't do anything and it will be proven in a court of law, or something like that. Raven always has an excuse for things. Was killing Janet a way of ultimately blaming the theft on Janet?

    I was so shocked to hear that Karen called Raven's boss to say that Raven wouldn't be in because Janet committed SUICIDE? Major wth moment for me.

    Also, did I understand her correctly....in MARCH he asked for Friday, Monday and Tuesday off....a MONTH in advance. April 22, 25 and 26th because his baby sitter needed time off? Didn't the baby sitter not say anything about needing those days off? Kaiden had a fever so they met the "nanny" (babysitter) & Janet at the hospital. Why truly did he need that time off? To me it's smells of EXTREME PREMEDIATION!!

    This witnesses testimony was seriously very telling, she was bright, professional and articulate as was Raymon Wilson.

    I am a little bit more confused regarding the testimonies of Tyrell Deshong and Todd Phelps and not sure where they are going with it except that Raven showed up at work on the 26th (I think it's cause he wanted to be seen and to be seen as normal) not because he missed work and wanted to make up for it, because truth is HE WASN'T near his quota so no matter what he did in the next few days, he wouldn't make his quote and it seems to me he would have been dismissed anyhow because of it.

    I can't remember which day now, because I'm cramming all this in, but all three said that he showed up for like 5 or 10 minutes one of those days he was off and went into his office for some reason was he trying to retrieve papers? If he was suppose to be home watching Kaiden and Janet was working where was Kaiden? In the car, at home alone?

    There is a picture forming for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L L & S View Post
    I don't know anything about soccer but didn't he also get "red carded" or in trouble a lot over the years for being overly aggressive with either refs or other players or coaches?
    In the ABC 20/20 show I believe Raven's ex-wife's Mother & Father told of a story where Raven was playing soccer in Utah and Raven and another player on the opposing side were going at it. Raven got the guy down on the ground and I think kicked him in (not positive but I want to say the head or back) when the guy was down. Raven got "red-flagged". He went up to his inlaws and said something so very Raven & Creepy "See that's retribution".

    Yeah, Raven has severe temper issues, but he holds it in most of the time.
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    Someone told me there was forensic expert on today, but I'm not seeing it and I'm not sure why. The note I got was the fingerprint on the closet door was "plastic" meaning it was a fingerprint that was embedded by paint into the closet door. Sorry Amos, that fingerprint ah ha moment, along with the bloody footprint by the EMS driver just went the way of the willy
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    Quote Originally Posted by terminatrixator View Post
    Someone told me there was forensic expert on today, but I'm not seeing it and I'm not sure why. The note I got was the fingerprint on the closet door was "plastic" meaning it was a fingerprint that was embedded by paint into the closet door. Sorry Amos, that fingerprint ah ha moment, along with the bloody footprint by the EMS driver just went the way of the willy
    You make me giggle. I'm just now sitting down to watch Raymond Wilson's testimony. So far, I've got a decent connection tonight.

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    Ha! He mentioned Raven and his toys. I was rereading posts about his VX earlier today. OMG, Raven loved his toys!
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    Raven..... "two faced" at work? No.... really? I'm completely shocked!

    (I missed so much detail this morning)

    Sorry, I don't have anyone here to 'Rave' to, and this forum doesn't get a whole lot of traffic, so don't mind me if I sit here and talk to myself. I promise to be nice to myself and not report myself for being snarky.
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    This post 'played with' by me because I need something to do with my hands while I watch today's testimony. Purple = my comment to Trix.

    Quote Originally Posted by terminatrixator View Post
    Today seemed quite interesting to me.

    AT&T was interesting. So there were two cell phones. One I know they said was on the floor, last week. There was a lot of testimony about that, but where was Janet's cell phone? Not really sure much about why the cell phones are important, but hopefully we find out more later. Maybe it's a piece of the overall puzzle. He had two phones. Well, we probably can attribute that to having so many girls on the side and committing felonies on the side. Seems perfectly logical if maybe he was running other scams on the side that we don't even know about.

    Raymon Wilson's testimony was really awesome. It showed Raven as he truly is. He is a chameleon. The way he would act in a coed soccer team, with customers where he's yelling, screaming, cussing and getting rough. Tyndall asks about Raven's and Janet's relationship of all these witnesses that knew him, but sociopaths are good at being enthusiastic, and engaging, and charming. Of course he treated Janet nicely and loving in front of people. It's the way he acts when nobody is around that's important. He's a sociopath. I think he was a great witness, painting the picture of the true Raven, the pleasant and charming outgoing guy, the hot head (or complete and utter psycho on the field, the embezzler, the liar, the sneak, the guy that can steal, lie and cheat and look you in the eye as though he is innocent.

    Remember back in the early days when we all kept saying how much he reminded us of S.Peterson and then J.Young and others? He's another glaring example of a classic sociopathic type personality. Mr. Wilson even said that after the interview when he and his boss were talking about Raven that he seemed over the top or "two good to be true". Sounds like Raven was on a roll at that interview and then pretty quickly started showing his true colors. Did he or did he not have the VX, and the motorcycle, and some other expensive toys off and on during this time?


    He stole and then tried sneaking in to cover it up before he got caught, but he was already caught. One thing that was NOT said was Janet did NOT have to leave Eurosports, she left out of embarrassment. ES didn't ask her to leave, she wasn't fired, she had NO knowledge of what he was doing. I really wish someone would have said that out loud!!!

    Gotta watch Sandy's testimony now. BBL!

    The testimony of Sandy Gareton was really good, I think she was extremely bright and as much as Tyndall seemed to try to trip her up and mix up time stamps etc. it didn't work. She said that Karen worked in her position in Utah, so obviously he had some pull getting into that position. It seemed as though she would have never hired him had Karen didn't have some sort of pull. Of course, Raven had no choice but to tell the truth when he went there because so many places, especially schools and IT places do some sort of background check. Yes, Amos, Raven told his new job the truth regarding having charges against, but did he tell them the whole truth? Who knows whether or not he told them I didn't do anything and it will be proven in a court of law, or something like that. Raven always has an excuse for things. Was killing Janet a way of ultimately blaming the theft on Janet?

    I was so shocked to hear that Karen called Raven's boss to say that Raven wouldn't be in because Janet committed SUICIDE? Major wth moment for me.

    Also, did I understand her correctly....in MARCH he asked for Friday, Monday and Tuesday off....a MONTH in advance. April 22, 25 and 26th because his baby sitter needed time off? Didn't the baby sitter not say anything about needing those days off? Kaiden had a fever so they met the "nanny" (babysitter) & Janet at the hospital. Why truly did he need that time off? To me it's smells of EXTREME PREMEDIATION!!

    This witnesses testimony was seriously very telling, she was bright, professional and articulate as was Raymon Wilson.

    I am a little bit more confused regarding the testimonies of Tyrell Deshong and Todd Phelps and not sure where they are going with it except that Raven showed up at work on the 26th (I think it's cause he wanted to be seen and to be seen as normal) not because he missed work and wanted to make up for it, because truth is HE WASN'T near his quota so no matter what he did in the next few days, he wouldn't make his quote and it seems to me he would have been dismissed anyhow because of it.

    I can't remember which day now, because I'm cramming all this in, but all three said that he showed up for like 5 or 10 minutes one of those days he was off and went into his office for some reason was he trying to retrieve papers? If he was suppose to be home watching Kaiden and Janet was working where was Kaiden? In the car, at home alone?

    There is a picture forming for sure.
    "It's easier to KEEP Raven happy, than it is to MAKE Raven happy." ~~ JA






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